How many slams would 30-35 year old Agassi have if he’d played from 2018-now?

[jl809]

People forget how much of a don this legend was on HC, especially with recency bias which I’ve seen a gross amount of today. This kind of ballstriking from a 35 year old with a dodgy back would slice the next gen up like an angry samurai

This was a guy who participated in one of the greatest US Open matches ever in 01, reached the final again the year after, and took Peak Federer to 5 sets at the US Open in 04 aged 34, before leading him by a break in set 3 1 year later.

So how many slams would Old Postprime Agassi win in the Big 2 era?

Imo, he wins AO 2018, USO 2018, USO 2019, AO 2020, USO 2020, USO 2021, AO 2022 and USO 2022 (he withdrew from the equivalent of AO 2023). This is 8 slams compared to the 2 he won IRL, because in reality he kept going up against an in-form PETE or prime Fedr.

So was the baldy genius unlucky to be born in the wrong era?

 

[DSH]

AgassiGOAT!

 

[insideguy]

People forget how much of a don this legend was on HC, especially with recency bias which I’ve seen a gross amount of today. This kind of ballstriking from a 35 year old with a dodgy back would slice the next gen up like an angry samurai

This was a guy who participated in one of the greatest US Open matches ever in 01, reached the final again the year after, and took Peak Federer to 5 sets at the US Open in 04 aged 34, before leading him by a break in set 3 1 year later.

So how many slams would Old Postprime Agassi win in the Big 2 era?

Imo, he wins AO 2018, USO 2018, USO 2019, AO 2020, USO 2020, USO 2021, AO 2022 and USO 2022 (he withdrew from the equivalent of AO 2023). This is 8 slams compared to the 2 he won IRL, because in reality he kept going up against an in-form PETE or prime Fedr.

So was the baldy genius unlucky to be born in the wrong era?

You could probably say that about many players honestly.

 

[mike danny]

Mid 30's Agassi should definitely be given more respect considering mid 30's Big 3 have been in almost every slam final and guys a decade younger can't do anything to them.

 

[mike danny]

Anyway, he'd probably win a couple of slams against the Next Gen in his mid 30's. His AO 2004, USO 2004, USO 2005 and with a stretch even AO 2005 would've been good enough levels against the Next Gen.

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

With no Big 3 around. I would say he would win probably every US Open or 99 percent of them. 2-3 AO's, 2, Wimbledon's (Being that grass is so weak now). No RG though.

Was he unlucky to be in the 90s/early 2000s? Absolutely. He would mop up titles today under these slower high bouncing conditions. These conditions are what suit Andre's game best

 

[Chanwan]

0, era is waaaaaayyyy too strong for Andre

 

[stosurforehand]

Anyway, he'd probably win a couple of slams against the Next Gen in his mid 30's. His AO 2004, USO 2004, USO 2005 and with a stretch even AO 2005 would've been good enough levels against the Next Gen.

Yes his only real obstacle on a hard court would be Oldovic, but given that Djokovic is a few years older than Agassi was, Agassi being a natural late bloomer, and that Agassi matches up decently against Djokovic in some ways despite that Djokovic is far faster, more athletic, and serves bigger, he would still have chances against him currently.

On grass and clay I don't see him doing much at this point, even in the current field. His body couldn't withstand those surfaces anymore. On hard courts he would be a huge contender in the current field though, and bag some slams I believe.

 

[jimmy8]

24 because he would have won all 4 every year for six years.

 

[Open Stance]

I assume this poll means Djokovic and Nadal aren’t in the field. He won 3 in his 30s so I think he would pick up 3-4 more. 2002, 03 and 05 USO comes to mind where he was taken out by Sampras and unstoppable Federer. Maybe he could win another FO. Wimbledon is a bit of a wild card because Next Gen is so bad on grass.

 

[NoleFam]

He won 5 from 1999-2003 which was a weak era in itself so without Djokovic and Nadal probably 3-5 tops.

 

[InsuranceMan]

The disrespect for Dre in this thread is saddening

 

[Kralingen]

Wins USO 18, 19, 20, 21, 22
Wins AO 20 and 22 and has a great chance at 21/23
Has a chance at Wimbledon 2021 with his 03 form

7/8 Slams probably. He was way better than people think

 

[InsuranceMan]

Wins USO 18, 19, 20, 21, 22
Wins AO 20 and 22 and has a great chance at 21/23
Has a chance at Wimbledon 2021 with his 03 form

7/8 Slams probably. He was way better than people think

Would say he loses either ‘20 USO or ‘21 USO and wins ‘18 AO

 

[ND-13]

0.

Tsisipass , Meddy, Zverev and Tommy Paul will take Agassi to the woodshed.

 

[Kralingen]

Would say he loses either ‘20 USO or ‘21 USO and wins ‘18 AO

alright let's break it down then . so 2001 = 2018, 2005 = 2022?

'01/18 - wins AO easily and USO is favorite over Djoko, triumphs due to home crowd advantage. He also has a 50% chance at Wimbledon if he's on the Anderson side, he was EPIC vs Rafter that year
'02/19 - wins USO easily (horrible matchup for Oldal on HC, he likely wins in straights)
'03/20 - wins AO (Djoko was off in the Thiem final imo), wasn't at his best at USO but ultimately clutches out USO 20 because of his ability to return the Zverev 2nd serve
'04/21 - wins AO takes advantage of Djoker injury pre final, wins USO as he takes the ball so early that Medvedev can't retrieve
'05/22 - wins both AO and USO easily

So that's 5 consecutive USOs and a good chance at 4/5 AOs

 

[Chopin]

Federer was a beast here too. In my opinion, this version of Federer beats any version of Djokovic the majority of time at the US Open.

 

[MiamiWeekendWarrior]

0, era is waaaaaayyyy too strong for Andre

0.

Tsisipass , Meddy, Zverev and Tommy Paul will take Agassi to the woodshed.

Whatever you guys are smoking, I want some! I don't know about a 35 Y.O. broken down Agassi but a peak Agassi would wipe the court with the nextgen and failedgen.

 

[BeatlesFan]

People forget how much of a don this legend was on HC

No one who saw him play live forgets. Aside from Fed, he's by far the most impressive player I've ever seen practice or play live. His FH, even at age 13-14, was unreal.

And this remark below is literally the stupidest BS ever seen here (worse than "Sampras couldn't volley or play on grass!")...

Tsisipass , Meddy, Zverev and Tommy Paul will take Agassi to the woodshed.

Hey.... the earth is flat, London is in Canada, Prince Harry's a girl and India has a population of 12,000!!

I gotta get on Odds and Ends and post this pathetic crap on "Things You Only Hear on TTW."

This remark is comedy gold.

 

[daggerman]

He would've won 2020 Wimbledon for sure

 

[InsuranceMan]

alright let's break it down then . so 2001 = 2018, 2005 = 2022?

'01/18 - wins AO easily and USO is favorite over Djoko, triumphs due to home crowd advantage. He also has a 50% chance at Wimbledon if he's on the Anderson side, he was EPIC vs Rafter that year
'02/19 - wins USO easily (horrible matchup for Oldal on HC, he likely wins in straights)
'03/20 - wins AO (Djoko was off in the Thiem final imo), wasn't at his best at USO but ultimately clutches out USO 20 because of his ability to return the Zverev 2nd serve
'04/21 - wins AO takes advantage of Djoker injury pre final, wins USO as he takes the ball so early that Medvedev can't retrieve
'05/22 - wins both AO and USO easily

So that's 5 consecutive USOs and a good chance at 4/5 AOs

Mistyped, meant to say loses USO ‘21 or USO ‘19. 19 had decent Oldal, good Medvedev, and an absolutely cracking Thiem. I feel like if Thiem had just clutched that 5th set he would’ve won the whole tournament his HC form was so good at that point, and he hadn’t hit the post-slam champ sorrows yet so he was hungry. And then for ‘21, again good Medvedev, underrated Zverev honestly, and solid Novak pre-final imo, he gets too much flak for the final. So not saying he would lose both because I do think he certainly had chances in both, but I would say he loses one. And then the AO that I think you’re missing is ‘18. I love Fed but let’s be real that wasn’t the most impressive slam he’s ever won. I mean just between Cilic and Fed’s path alone. I don’t think Andre would have a good time at ‘17, but the ‘18 level was a huge drop off and I think he’s comfortable for the most part.

 

[BeatlesFan]

0.

Tsisipass , Meddy, Zverev and Tommy Paul will take Agassi to the woodshed.

Worth repeating.

 

[chjtennis]

Funny enough, no one from current generation knows how to play well on Wimbledon grass, so Agassi might have had good chances there as well as hard courts. Who knows how many? Maybe 3 or 4 in total?

 

[Crocodile]

The answer is I don’t know because Andre was already having injections into his back to allow him to play and you can only do that for a limited time;

 

[mika1979]

Andre slams at a glance

AO 2002, from non-spastics he beat Escude, Coria(retired after a set), Grosjean( an easy beat for the players) 5 foot french midget, Ferreira who was in his last proper year and a spent force, and Schuttler who is possibly the worst finalist in the open era.

AO 2001, up to quarter nobody, Todd martin a pretty easy quarter final best thing about him was his relatively long career but he is hopeless, Rafter was great and this match was the final. In the final a guy that goes close to being worse than Schuttler, probably is actually, Clement( an even shorter french man), I actually gave away tickets to the Clement-Grosjean semi to a couple of french birds at Cafe DiStasio in Melbourne

AO 2000, I got to give it to Andre, beat the Poo in the fourth round, beat Petros in the semis, and a very good Kafelnikov. This one very good.

FO 1999 bunch of nobodies until Moya who was really good in the fourth, and the nobodies the rest of the way. He tanked the first two sets in the final to medvedev, not Daniil, my parents bought 2 tickets from a scalper after that for 50 euros, to watch him come back. Ordinary tournament.

USO 1999 Once again absolute nobodies, until Kafelnikov in the semis, needlessly struggled with wooden Todd Martin(who tried to end Novak's career in 2009, I hope someone remembers when he tried to get him to serve on his knees) in the final. As an ATG an opponent like Martin is cannon fodder.

He might jag something but there are at least half a dozen current players who would win these tournaments. Not counting Novak Rafa etc.

 

[DSH]

Andre slams at a glance

AO 2002, from non-spastics he beat Escude, Coria(retired after a set), Grosjean( an easy beat for the players) 5 foot french midget, Ferreira who was in his last proper year and a spent force, and Schuttler who is possibly the worst finalist in the open era.

AO 2001, up to quarter nobody, Todd martin a pretty easy quarter final best thing about him was his relatively long career but he is hopeless, Rafter was great and this match was the final. In the final a guy that goes close to being worse than Schuttler, probably is actually, Clement( an even shorter french man), I actually gave away tickets to the Clement-Grosjean semi to a couple of french birds at Cafe DiStasio in Melbourne

AO 2000, I got to give it to Andre, beat the Poo in the fourth round, beat Petros in the semis, and a very good Kafelnikov. This one very good.

FO 1999 bunch of nobodies until Moya who was really good in the fourth, and the nobodies the rest of the way. He tanked the first two sets in the final to medvedev, not Daniil, my parents bought 2 tickets from a scalper after that for 50 euros, to watch him come back. Ordinary tournament.

USO 1999 Once again absolute nobodies, until Kafelnikov in the semis, needlessly struggled with wooden Todd Martin(who tried to end Novak's career in 2009, I hope someone remembers when he tried to get him to serve on his knees) in the final. As an ATG an opponent like Martin is cannon fodder.

He might jag something but there are at least half a dozen current players who would win these tournaments. Not counting Novak Rafa etc.

You got the year wrong: It was the 2003 Australian Open edition.

 

[Chanwan]

Whatever you guys are smoking, I want some! I don't know about a 35 Y.O. broken down Agassi but a peak Agassi would wipe the court with the nextgen and failedgen.

Satire

 

[mika1979]

You got the year wrong: It was the 2003 Australian Open edition.

Yeah I should remember 2002, I went to the final and rented binoculars to see what was in Safin’s box