How many Slams would Federer & Nadal have won, if there was NO Djokovic??

[LawnTennisGod]

I was wondering how many Slams would Nadal and Federer have each won if Djokovic hadn't played Tennis?

Would they have racked up close to 30 slams each? Who would be ahead in the slam race, if there was no Djokovic?

Federer-

Nadal-

They have both lost several times to Djokovic in the final stages, so have missed out on slams directly because of him.

For instance, Nadal would have won at least 4 Australia Opens and 4 Wimbledons in total, while Federer would have definitely won more than 10 Wimbledons himself! Their overall records would be so much better and more rounded and complete, without Djokovic.

But what would be their exact tally overall and tally at each slam? It's something I have been wondering

 

[T23]

There would have been a 3rd who stepped up - it’s nothing new or special. Either Murray would have not been injured or DelPo have had a longer career,… many new ways future could take turn - helmet head simply vultured 7-8 more slams than he deserved, covid really helped him retain ranks, injury and ageing demise of fed/rafa same would have happened to said 3rd,

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Nadal wins probably 35 and Fed wins 30-32 with probably 2 Calendar slams each. Thank god it didn't happen. 2 Rod Lavers dominating a tour of trash for 20 years? No thanks. Djoker at least stepped up in 2011 (after 2008 AO) and made it interesting a bit so they didn't vuluture everything for 5 presidential terms

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

I was wondering how many Slams would Nadal and Federer have each won if Djokovic hadn't played Tennis?

Would they have racked up close to 30 slams each? Who would be ahead in the slam race, if there was no Djokovic?

Federer-

Nadal-

They have both lost several times to Djokovic in the final stages, so have missed out on slams directly because of him.

For instance, Nadal would have won at least 4 Australia Opens and 4 Wimbledons in total, while Federer would have definitely won more than 10 Wimbledons himself! Their overall records would be so much better and more rounded and complete, without Djokovic.

But what would be their exact tally overall and tally at each slam? It's something I have been wondering

Fed adds following total of 8 slams
AO :- 08, 11, 16,
RG :- N/A
Wim :- 14, 15, 19
UO :- 11, 15

Ultimate total :- 28

Nadal adds following total of 6 slams
AO :- 12, 19
RG :- 21
Wim :- 11, 18
UO :- 11

Ultimate total :- 28

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

Fed adds following total of 8 slams
AO :- 08, 11, 16,
RG :- N/A
Wim :- 14, 15, 19
UO :- 11, 15

Ultimate total :- 28

Nadal adds following total of 6 slams
AO :- 12, 19
RG :- 21
Wim :- 11, 18
UO :- 11

Ultimate total :- 28

UO 11 you have added to both . I think it would have gone to Rafa considering the form and matchup then. Rafa beat Fed in AO 12 SF pretty convincingly.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

UO 11 you have added to both . I think it would have gone to Rafa considering the form and matchup then. Rafa beat Fed in AO 12 SF pretty convincingly.

Roger was in better form & Rafa was serving poorly. If it was a potential 2010 match then without a shadow of a doubt I'd put Nadal as a favourite but not in 11.

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

Roger was in better form & Rafa was serving poorly. If it was a potential 2010 match then without a shadow of a doubt I'd put Nadal as a favourite but not in 11.

Ok. Maybe it would have been close. Though Rafa-Fed back then always seemed like Rafa had the edge no matter the form.

 

[Aabye5]

They probably would have both retired after reaching 20 and 21 respectively.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Ok. Maybe it would have been close. Though Rafa-Fed back then always seemed like Rafa had the edge no matter the form.

Maybe.

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

They probably would have both retired after reaching 20 and 21 respectively.

Definitely by 24-25. I think the rivalry is what has kept them going.

Rafa suffering so much to play/win a slam only makes sense because of the slam race.

 

[Aabye5]

Definitely by 24-25. I think the rivalry is what has kept them going.

Rafa suffering so much to play/win a slam only makes sense because of the slam race.

Yes, but Andy Murray and Juan Martin del Potro would have more as well. Djokovic beat JMdP a few times, and Delpo is younger than both Nadal and Federer.

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

Yes, but Andy Murray and Juan Martin del Potro would have more as well. Djokovic beat JMdP a few times, and Delpo is younger than both Nadal and Federer.

True.. Murray has lost 4 AO finals to Novak I think. Also lost a FO final to him. Murray would probably be around 10 slams if not for Novak.

Novak has actually been a bigger tormentor for Fed and Murray as compared to Rafa.

 

[Aabye5]

True.. Murray has lost 4 AO finals to Novak I think. Also lost a FO final to him. Murray would probably be around 10 slams if not for Novak.

Novak has actually been a bigger tormentor for Fed and Murray as compared to Rafa.

And he's still a major pain in the ass for Rafa

 

[spottishwood]

Definitely by 24-25. I think the rivalry is what has kept them going.

Rafa suffering so much to play/win a slam only makes sense because of the slam race.

Nah mate. Nadal kept playing just for the sake of sport and the fact that he enjoys playing. He doesn't care about the slam record at all.

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

And he's still a major pain in the ass for Rafa

Haha.. ofcourse he is. The fact that Rafa has managed to keep him at bay at FO for the most part has helped.

FO 2013, 2014, 2022 could have gone either ways and Rafa prevailed.

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

Nah mate. Nadal kept playing just for the sake of sport and the fact that he enjoys playing. He doesn't care about the slam record at all.

Are you being sarcastic here ? (Genuine question)

 

[spottishwood]

Are you being sarcastic here ? (Genuine question)

 

[T23]

Are you being sarcastic here ? (Genuine question)

I feel Rafa is genuine in this statement, he does not even see helmet-head as a ‘rival’, he sees fed as more of a rival and shows due respect towards him in every single interview. Rafa meant what he said after RG.

 

[Aabye5]

I feel Rafa is genuine in this statement, he does not even see helmet-head as a ‘rival’, he sees fed as more of a rival and shows due respect towards him in every single interview. Rafa meant what he said after RG.

Rafa definitely sees Novak as rival.