How many Slams would Tsonga win today?

[biaggi35]

Imagine that you teleport Jo-Willy Tsonga from 2008-2016 in the current era. He was brutal back then and also very consistent - he was mainly stopped by the big 4 in GS events. How many Slams will he win in today's game?

I personally think that Sinner, Alcaraz, even Zverev and Medvedev are more complete players than him and he would struggle. Still, they are not stopping him with the frequency of the big 4 and I can easily see him overpowering them on any surface when he is really on. No one of today's game is beating him, for instance, at Wimbledon in his 2011 form. Thus, I would say 3-4 Slams sounds realistic? What do you think?

 

[Lleytonstation]

You would have anew big3. Yes, he could challenge Jannik the priest and Carlos the shepherd.

 

[Razer]

Tsonga, Berdych and even Murray became who they were because of the Big 3 whom they played from early years.... If you take that away from them and make them grow up in today's era then they would also become some sort of mugs or at least much worse than they were in their time.... In no era is Sir Andy Murray an ATG.

Teleportation does not work, if it did I still don't see how Tsonga can win more than 1-2 slams.

 

[biaggi35]

Tsonga, Berdych and even Murray became who they were because of the Big 3 whom they played from early years.... If you take that away from them and make them grow up in today's era then they would also become some sort of mugs or at least much worse than they were in their time.... In no era is Sir Andy Murray an ATG.

Teleportation does not work, if it did I still don't see how Tsonga can win more than 1-2 slams.

This is true, but still Jo-Willy's best event ever was probably AO '08 when he was a fresh face and hadn't played many matches against the big 4 prior to that tournament. So he already had that level in him, the rivalry with the big 4 mostly helped with his consistency....

 

[socallefty]

0

 

[ChrisRF]

Tsonga may match the offensive power of Sinner from time to time, but there is no way he would match the defense qualities and maintaining the hardhitting from seemingly hopeless positions in a rally, let alone the consistency over a whole season.

 

[BGod]

Probably 3-4ish.

Pretty well unstoppable form at 2008 AO & 2011 Wimbledon outside of Novak so I don't see anyone stopping him.

He had great runs at those events once more. There were a few others but more prone to inconsistency.

 

[Milanez82]

With his BH as a liability, zero.
Maybe he could reach another slam final?

 

[tennis3]

He'd lose to Berdych

 

[Nappa]

I think Tsonga would CYGS 2021&2023

 

[fafa]

Zero.

 

[Spencer Gore]

None.

 

[Aabye5]

Two, maybe

 

[dking68]

None

 

[RSJfan]

0

 

[nolefam_2024]

0

 

[JMR]

There can be only one Tstar at a time. Tsonga has been tsuperseded by Tsitsipas.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Joe will not win any slam on AO or USO.
AO had Djokovic/Sinner/Medvedev/Zverev in semis and Alcaraz in QF. Joe would not beat 2 of 3 of these guys.
USO he is not beating Sinner. His best here is QF. His worst slam by a distance. He had Tsitsipas syndrome of weak backhand and return.

Only Wimby he has chances. I don't know how much but he did play 1 year well overpowering Roger. He could overpower Alcaraz for sure.

And RG we can just forget about that. He can't beat Alcaraz even can't overpower.

Tennis Abstract: Match Charting Project: Men's Rally Leaders: Career

See this. Tsonga backhand is so weak.

BH Potency
Fed 0.1
Tsitsipas -1.8
Tsonga -3.4


Return stats
Tsitsipas highest break % in a year 25.5
Tsonga highest break % in a year 23.3

Tennis Abstract: Jo Wilfried Tsonga Match Results, Splits, and Analysis

You can not take a SH1T on Tsitsipas and praise Tsonga

You can't and should not be allowed

 

[nolefam_2024]

Tsitsipas has basically eclipsed tsonga career and he had peak for maybe 3 years only.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Let me add at the same time verdasco ferrer would win zero

Berdych may get 1 Wimbledon though. Field in wimby is weaker than at rg I think because I don't trust Carlos at all.

 

[nolefam_2024]

If Tsonga had a backhand.....

Tsonga is such a throwback to the 90's, an era when most pros had a glaring weakness on their backhand side. He even does a Rosset from time to time, switching between two-handers and one-handers. Anyway, I've always liked the guy, but I've always felt his mediocre backhand wing prevented him...

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

 

[nolefam_2024]

2009 his best year and losses

Tennis Abstract: Jo Wilfried Tsonga Match Results, Splits, and Analysis

0 losses to Fed
2 losses to nadal indoors

He just was not that good. his peak was good but BO5 7 matches is too much.

 

[Fintft]

None at 100 kgs

 

[Pheasant]

I could see a Wimbledon draw opening up with either Tsonga or Berdych stealing one of those titles in this era. Tiafoe was 2 points away from eliminating Alcaraz.

But they would be shut out on hard courts and clay.

I think that 1 slam titles for either Tsonga or Berdych is reasonable.

 

[TsitsiBH]

I would say 2. One Australian and one Wimbledon.

 

[Racquet_smash]

If he was born in 1995 instead of 1985? Probably 2 or 3.

 

[a10best]

Probably 1-2 slams given either Carlos or Jannik gets hurt or upset. Tsonga is better than Fritz, Tiafoe, or Shelton.
Peak Tsonga would probably have to go through Sinner at AO since that's Jo's best surface. And since Sinner is a lesser version of prime Djokovic, Tsonga gets at least 1 winner's trophy.

 

[nolefam_2024]

He would definitely need to go through djokovic alcaraz sinner now. I don't see him winning more than 1.

Even Tsitsipas has more chances because raz would not always be in his path at rg and his RG chances are better than Tsonga's at any slam.

 

[Nappa]

At least 5

 

[Purestriker]

0

 

[BauerAlmeida]

2-3 depending on how the next few years unfold.

He has victories against all the Big 3 + 2 at slams so he would beat Sinner/Alcaraz at some point.

 

[nolefam_2024]

2-3 depending on how the next few years unfold.

He has victories against all the Big 3 + 2 at slams so he would beat Sinner/Alcaraz at some point.

Yes but those victories got him zero slams.

 

[GRASScaraz]

Tsonga is a poor man's Berrettini

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Yes but those victories got him zero slams.

Because he had to go through two or three of the Big 3, which wouldn't be the case now.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Because he had to go through two or three of the Big 3, which wouldn't be the case now.

Nah. That is good if he ever built up on that. His best chances are 2008 AO obviously but lost to young nole, 2011 wimby and that's it. Only 2 times he would ever threaten to really win.

 

[nolefam_2024]

He would have many slam quarters and semis but 2/3 wins seems a lot.

 

[boredone3456]

Medvedev and Zverev have a combined 1 major between them. Medvedev isn't exactly that consistent lately and Zverev has notable consistency issues in b05 matches. I could see Sinner and Alcaraz bothering him but neither are completely invincible either (Alcaraz US Open loss for instance).

However Tsonga also had his own issues during this time, there were plenty of times he lost outside the QF's to people like Karlovic, Klizan, Dolgopolov...so its not like he was going be storming consistently to the end either. He also had his share of injuries...I recall a few muscle strains, knee issues, and other things that cropped up over time. He might have an easier time now not having to worry about having to Back to back Novak/Fed/Nadal along with the threat of a Delpo type lurking around...but he had his share of losses to other dudes as well that would just as likely happen today that would even things out a bit. I could see him maybe getting a major but I don't see him winning tons of them...and I actually really like Tsonga

 

[nolefam_2024]

Medvedev and Zverev have a combined 1 major between them. Medvedev isn't exactly that consistent lately and Zverev has notable consistency issues in b05 matches. I could see Sinner and Alcaraz bothering him but neither are completely invincible either (Alcaraz US Open loss for instance).

However Tsonga also had his own issues during this time, there were plenty of times he lost outside the QF's to people like Karlovic, Klizan, Dolgopolov...so its not like he was going be storming consistently to the end either. He also had his share of injuries...I recall a few muscle strains, knee issues, and other things that cropped up over time. He might have an easier time now not having to worry about having to Back to back Novak/Fed/Nadal along with the threat of a Delpo type lurking around...but he had his share of losses to other dudes as well that would just as likely happen today that would even things out a bit. I could see him maybe getting a major but I don't see him winning tons of them...and I actually really like Tsonga

Even I like tsonga.

 

[gravemadness]

I think it's rather simple.

Jo-Willy Tsonga, in his retirement match, played a tight 4 setter with 3 TBs vs Casper Ruud who went on to make the final - fun fact, Tsonga won 21 games in their match - Only Sonego won more games (1 more game) vs Casper until the final.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I think it's rather simple.

Jo-Willy Tsonga, in his retirement match, played a tight 4 setter with 3 TBs vs Casper Ruud who went on to make the final - fun fact, Tsonga won 21 games in their match - Only Sonego won more games (1 more game) vs Casper until the final.

Yes 2022 USO was a **** show when they banned Djokovic.

 

[Ronaldo]

25 or more

 

[gravemadness]

Yes 2022 USO was a **** show when they banned Djokovic.

2022 USO is irrelevant. I am talking about 2022 RG.

 

[nolefam_2024]

2022 USO is irrelevant. I am talking about 2022 RG.

Ok it won't matter then Tsonga can never win rg

Ruud probably is as far from rg as someone like Andy Murray. Possible but not guaranteed. Tsonga is even worse.

 

[gravemadness]

Ok it won't matter then Tsonga can never win rg

Ruud probably is as far from rg as someone like Andy Murray. Possible but not guaranteed. Tsonga is even worse.

Ruud made 2 RG finals in a row - Tsonga was one of his toughest opponents. In one of those finals, he lost to a struggling Djokovic who was genuinely lucky to make the final due to Alcaraz's injury. Tsonga had prime Djokovic dead to rights at RG.

I don't think it should be debatable that second tier players in the Golden Era have a much better chance of winning slams in the post-COVID era. How many they win or which ones they win... that's open to debate.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Ruud made 2 RG finals in a row - Tsonga was one of his toughest opponents. In one of those finals, he lost to a struggling Djokovic who was genuinely lucky to make the final due to Alcaraz's injury.

Tsonga had prime Djokovic dead to rights at RG. I don't think it should be debatable that second tier players in the Golden Era have a much better chance of winning slams in the post-COVID era. How many they win or which ones they win... that's open to debate.

Yes draws collapsed but that doesn't mean Ruud was anywhere close to win it

Djokovic in 2012 RG was qf not final. Tsonga has played many big finals winning just 2 of them. He won't be playing without fear when close to win.

 

[buscemi]

Nah. That is good if he ever built up on that. His best chances are 2008 AO obviously but lost to young nole, 2011 wimby and that's it. Only 2 times he would ever threaten to really win.

Definitely disagree. As two examples, the version of Tsonga who took Murray to five sets at Wimbledon in 2016 and the version of Tsonga who took Djokovic to five sets at the French Open in 2012 would have been right there at this years French Open and Wimbledon, contending for the title.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Definitely disagree. As two examples, the version of Tsonga who took Murray to five sets at Wimbledon in 2016 and the version of Tsonga who took Djokovic to five sets at the French Open in 2012 would have been right there at this years French Open and Wimbledon, contending for the title.

Nah

Djokovic was qf

Tsonga in RG 2012 had 2 more rounds to go.

 

[buscemi]

Nah

Djokovic was qf

Tsonga in RG 2012 had 2 more rounds to go.

The four semifinalists this year were Ruud/Zverev/Sinner/Alcaraz.

The version of Tsonga that took Djokovic to five sets in 2012 would beat Ruud and Zverev while also having a solid shot at beating either Sinner or Alcaraz. I don't see how you can say that the version of Tsonga that took 2012 Djokivic to five sets wouldn't be contending for the French title this year with the field as it is.

 

[nolefam_2024]

The four semifinalists this year were Ruud/Zverev/Sinner/Alcaraz.

The version of Tsonga that took Djokovic to five sets in 2012 would beat Ruud and Zverev while also having a solid shot at beating either Sinner or Alcaraz. I don't see how you can say that the version of Tsonga that took 2012 Djokivic to five sets wouldn't be contending for the French title this year with the field as it is.

He would need to beat 2 of sinner zverev and alcaraz at the least along with other good players.

You have 1 single case where he reached this level not many in a row. 1 match anyone can screw up.

 

[junior74]

Tsonga would emasculate all of them with grip size 5

25 slams. Tsongoat.