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We know the longterm benefits and effects of Clostebol. Its a known quantity in far more extreme usage cases than amounts considered to be so low that the explanation of skin to skin transmission meets reasonable doubt.
I don't know where you're getting your information from but it absolutely has long term benefits. It's a muscle building steroid. It's what Tatis popped for and he's not an Italian and he was obviously using it as a PED. Tatis gained 10lbs of muscle. It's a PED. Like what are you even arguing here.
You don’t gain 10lbs of muscle with a topical product like Clostebol lol.
The muscle needs to be continually stimulated Raul. And a muscle that has been artificially created deteriorates faster than naturally created muscle once any contributing compounds are withdrawn.
Absolutely. There are some very powerful PEDs out there. An example would be someone using a protocol during their development stages to alter things like clavicle width / foot size, the shape of muscle heads etc etc.Some players might struggle to develop muscles naturally with training.
The assumption is that the new muscle developed with the temporary assistance of PED is then maintained with training.
The player who discontinues PED while continuing to train has an advantage over that same player who had never used PED.
In the scenario where a player who has used performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs) continues to train after discontinuing their use, they may indeed retain some performance advantages compared to a player who never used PEDs but trained naturally. Here’s a breakdown of the key points:
In conclusion, if both players continue to train consistently, the one who previously used PEDs is likely to retain some performance advantages due to muscle memory and structural changes in their muscle fibers, which would not be present in a player who never used PEDs.
- Muscle Memory and Structural Changes: Brief exposure to anabolic steroids can lead to lasting changes in muscle structure, particularly through an increase in the number of myonuclei in muscle fibers. This "muscle memory" effect allows previously steroid-using athletes to regain muscle mass more quickly when they resume training compared to those who have never used steroids.
- Long-Term Benefits: Even after stopping steroid use, athletes may still benefit from the muscle mass and strength gained during their period of use. Animal research indicates that those exposed to testosterone for a short time could rapidly regain muscle later in life, suggesting similar effects might occur in humans.
- Performance Advantage: The player who used PEDs and continued training could maintain a performance advantage due to the physiological adaptations achieved during their steroid use. These adaptations may include enhanced muscle size, strength, and recovery capabilities that persist even after discontinuation of the drugs.
- Comparison with Natural Training: In contrast, a player who has never used PEDs would not have these additional structural changes or the same potential for rapid muscle regrowth after training interruptions. While they can still achieve significant gains through natural training, they may not reach the same level of performance as someone who has previously used PEDs and benefitted from the associated physiological changes.
Refreshing to see someone being a cynic about cynics
You dont gain 10lbs of muscle just taking any drug but it helps. It's a PED. It helps. Are you denying that I'm confused?You don’t gain 10lbs of muscle with a topical product like Clostebol lol.
I can assure it would be sold out in every pharmacy in the world if that were anywhere close to being true.
Yes there are benefits. But it’s very mild, and completely pointless for anything other than superficial tissue repair in the amount detected in Sinner.
We have people on here suggesting its some kind of superdrug that is still helping Sinner months beyond it’s half-life or is being used as a masking agent lol. Its laughable.
No study suggests that Clostebol in the amount detected in Sinner would do anything like what you suggested in the short term or long term lol.
Yes. It’s an act of negligence for which Sinner will most likely serve a suspension.
No one needs to clutch at anything to exonerate Sinner as to allegations of deliberate PEDs use. There is simply no case against him on that point. This is the view accepted by rational observers. For example, the New York Times matter-of-factly stated in its extensive summary of the Sinner matter, "WADA, like the ITIA, accepts that Sinner did not intentionally dope." https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5806315/2025/01/10/jannik-sinner-doping-case-tennis-explained/
The tribunal's ruling was correct. The levels found were too low to have any performance-enhancing effect and were consistent with his explanation of accidental massage contamination.
This is not true with the sophisticated micro dosing cheating that goes on these days.
This microdosing argument means that every single player can be doping without testing positive.This is not true with the sophisticated micro dosing cheating that goes on these days.
From Microdosing to Designer Steroids: Uncovering how athletes cheat in the 21st century | Feature from King's College London
Dr Rodrigo Aguilera, Principal Analyst in the Drug Control Centre, details the methods competitors use to take performance enhancing drugs in the 21st century.www.kcl.ac.uk
Again you just don't know this. The amounts Sinner tested for are not conclusive in terms of how it was being used. The studies about this case state that uncertainty. I could go pull that if it's really necessary and you want to see it but I'm lazy and I don't feel like it. But if you would like to see the evidence from experts on that I could pull it for you.
Federer won ONE post-11 slam with a healthy Djokovic, but vultured 3 post-11 slams out of 6 with an injured Djokovic!
