How many total slams does Roddick win without Federer.

How many slams does Roddick win without Federer

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OK here is something I have often wondered about. Of the slams Roddick lost in to Federer how many would he have actually gone on to win without Federer. Here are the slams he lost to Federer:

2003 Wimbledon- lost to Federer in semis
2004 Wimbledon- lost to Federer in final
2005 Wimbledon- lost to Federer in final
2006 U.S Open- lost to Federer in final
2007 Australian Open- lost to Federer in semis
2007 U.S Open- lost to Federer in quarters
2009 Australian Open- lost to Federer in semis
2009 Wimbledon- lost to Federer in final

So that is a total of 8 possible. So the possible range for him is from 1 to 9.

Here is how I see it breaking down:

2003 Wimbledon- Roddick wins easily without Federer
2004 Wimbledon- Roddick wins final over Hewitt in tough 4 or 5 setter
2005 Wimbledon- Hewitt takes Roddick in the final in 3 or 4 sets in this one, Roddick's form actually wasnt that great here
2006 U.S Open- Blake takes Roddick in the final in 5 sets
2007 Australian Open- Roddick spanks Gonzalez in the final and wins easily
2007 U.S Open- Djokovic beats Roddick in 4 or 5 sets in the final
2009 Australian Open- Nadal beats Roddick in the final pretty easily
2009 Wimbledon- Roddick easily wins title over either Murray or Haas

So I would say 4 more for a total of 5.
 
Roddick was never good enough, to where you could say he was an AUTOMATIC, to take a slam in the abscence of Federer. Im sure he would have added another one or two onto his career though
 
GameSampras said:
Roddick was never good enough, to where you could say he was an AUTOMATIC, to take a slam in the abscence of Federer. Im sure he would have added another one or two onto his career though
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Well break down each and who you feel would have beaten him at the one he wouldnt have then.
 
2004 AO loss to Safin
2005 USO loss to G.Muller
2006 AO loss to Baghdatis
2007 Wimbledon loss to Gasquet in the
2008 AO loss to Kohlschreiber
2008 Wimbledon loss to Tipsarevic
2008 USO loss to Djokovic

can't blame his lack of more slam success to Federer:roll:
 
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tintin said:
2004 AO loss to Safin 4th round
2005 USO loss to G.Muller First round
2006 AO loss to Baghdatis 3th round
2007 Wimbledon loss to Gasquet Quarters
2008 AO loss to Kohlschreiber 3th round
2008 Wimbledon loss to Tipsarevic 2nd round
2008 USO loss to Djokovic Quarters

can't blame his lack of more slam success to Federer:roll:
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I agree.. Fed wasnt the sole reason that Roddick never accomplished as much as he did
 
GameSampras said:
Well I have to go back and see who Roddick's opponents would have been in the final aside from Fed. I hate research LOL
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awww ok well here are some of who he might have faced:

2003 Wimbledon- would have played Philipoussis in finals this year, as Mark lost to Federer in the final. There is nobody else to even consider. Hewitt and Agassi both lost early as was, and Grosjean was the other semifinalist.

2004 Wimbledon- would have likely played Hewitt in finals this year. Hewitt lost really tough 4 set quarterfinal to Federer, and Roddick and Hewitt were clearly the best of the rest outside of clay all year. The losing semifinalists were Ancic and Grosjean again (LOL at Grosjean being in Wimbledon semis two years in a row even though I like him).

2005 Wimbledon- would have likely played Hewitt in finals again. Hewitt lost
a tight 3 setter to Federer in one semi. The other semifinalist with a past his prime Tomas Johansson.

2006 U.S Open- Hard to say for certain who other finalist would be. Blake was having his best year ever, ended it #4, made year end Masters final, and lost very tough 4 setter to Federer in quarters. Losing semifinalist were Davydenko who is owned by Blake, and Youzhny who upset Nadal in the quarters. I sort of see a Roddick-Blake final without Federer.

2007 Australian Open- Definitely a Roddick-Gonzalez final. Gonzalez reached the final by crushing everyone, while Roddick was crushed by Federer in the semis. Gonzalez destroyed Haas in the other semi.

2007 U.S Open- Likely a Roddick-Djokovic final. Roddick lost to Federer in a tight 3 setter quarter with 2 tiebreaks. Losing semifinalists were David Ferrer and Davydenko.

2009 Australian Open- Well probably a Nadal-Verdasco final, but maybe Roddick can beat out Verdasco if they play. Who knows. Verdasco was on fire here and narrowly lost in the semis to Nadal, while Roddick lost easily to Federer in the other semi.

2009 Wimbledon- Well probably Murray again in the final or maybe Haas.
 
Zeppy said:
I think he could have gotten at least 2 more, 3 at this point.
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Too little imo. he would have beaten Mark at W 2003 easily I think, W2004 was his best W ever, I wouldn't see him losing tht one the way he played the final. W 2009 against Haas would have Roddick as the favourite as well. Then there's the US Open, W2005, and AO 2007 at which he'd had a chance. I say he'd have an extra 4 or 5
 
2003 Wimbledon- wins for sure

2004 Wimbledon- 50/50. Even a way past his prime injured Hewitt nearly beat him this year.

2005 Wimbledon- ZERO shot. He was in average form at this Wimbledon and did really well to somehow make the final. Hewitt would have crushed him in the final nearly as badly as Federer had.

2006 U.S Open- toss up between him, Blake, and Davydenko

2007 Australian Open- wins for sure. Gonzo is his lapdog.

2007 U.S Open- toss up between Djokovic, Davydenko, and Roddick

2009 Australian Open- ZERO shot

2009 Wimbledon- wins for sure

So 3 for sures, 3 maybes, and 2 no ways. I would guess 4 or 5.
 
federerfanatic said:
awww ok well here are some of who he might have faced:

2003 Wimbledon- would have played Philipoussis in finals this year, as Mark lost to Federer in the final. There is nobody else to even consider. Hewitt and Agassi both lost early as was, and Grosjean was the other semifinalist.

2004 Wimbledon- would have likely played Hewitt in finals this year. Hewitt lost really tough 4 set quarterfinal to Federer, and Roddick and Hewitt were clearly the best of the rest outside of clay all year. The losing semifinalists were Ancic and Grosjean again (LOL at Grosjean being in Wimbledon semis two years in a row even though I like him).

2005 Wimbledon- would have likely played Hewitt in finals again. Hewitt lost
a tight 3 setter to Federer in one semi. The other semifinalist with a past his prime Tomas Johansson.

2006 U.S Open- Hard to say for certain who other finalist would be. Blake was having his best year ever, ended it #4, made year end Masters final, and lost very tough 4 setter to Federer in quarters. Losing semifinalist were Davydenko who is owned by Blake, and Youzhny who upset Nadal in the quarters. I sort of see a Roddick-Blake final without Federer.

2007 Australian Open- Definitely a Roddick-Gonzalez final. Gonzalez reached the final by crushing everyone, while Roddick was crushed by Federer in the semis. Gonzalez destroyed Haas in the other semi.

2007 U.S Open- Likely a Roddick-Djokovic final. Roddick lost to Federer in a tight 3 setter quarter with 2 tiebreaks. Losing semifinalists were David Ferrer and Davydenko.

2009 Australian Open- Well probably a Nadal-Verdasco final, but maybe Roddick can beat out Verdasco if they play. Who knows. Verdasco was on fire here and narrowly lost in the semis to Nadal, while Roddick lost easily to Federer in the other semi.

2009 Wimbledon- Well probably Murray again in the final or maybe Haas.
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Alright lets see what we got here. Good research btw. I dunno where the hell you guys get all this stuff from. LOL




03 Wimbeldon, yea roddick takes that

04- I just see Hewitt taking that for some reason. Hewitt was a still a beast in those days

05- Im really not sure. Roddick was tough that year. Thats the year he really gave it to Fed wasn it? Roddick may take this

06- Blake was playing great the USO that year. I see Blake taking that

07 AO- Nope Gonzales was too tough that year. Having the slam of his life

07 USO- Those were the days Djoker was the next big thing and he has had some good success against Roddick there and he was playing some of his best tennis at that time. Djoker takes that


09 AO- No way does Roddick handle Nadal or Verdasco there

09 Wimby- Yea thats Roddicks. He was playing very well



So Roddick gets another 2-3 anyways.
 
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joeri888 said:
Too little imo. he would have beaten Mark at W 2003 easily I think, W2004 was his best W ever, I wouldn't see him losing tht one the way he played the final. W 2009 against Haas would have Roddick as the favourite as well. Then there's the US Open, W2005, and AO 2007 at which he'd had a chance. I say he'd have an extra 4 or 5
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I agree. That's why I said Roddick won have won at least 2 or 3, but the reason I underestimated was because it's hard to tell who could have won those tournaments. For example, I certainly did not expect Roddick to lose to Gasquet in the 2007 Wimbledon quarterfinals after a 2 set lead. Or how Nadal lost to Soderling on his best surface at the French this year.
 
roddick would have 4 wimbledons, 2 US opens and an australian open, meaning he would have 6 extra slams.

But this is irrelevant as federer exists, unfortunately
 
GameSampras said:
Alright lets see what we got here. Good research btw. I dunno where the hell you guys get all this stuff from. LOL




03 Wimbeldon, yea roddick takes that

04- I just see Hewitt taking that for some reason. Hewitt was a still a beast in those days

05- Im really not sure. Roddick was tough that year. Thats the year he really gave it to Fed wasn it? Roddick may take this

06- Blake was playing great the USO that year. I see Blake taking that

07 AO- Nope Gonzales was too tough that year. Having the slam of his life

07 USO- Those were the days Djoker was the next big thing and he has had some good success against Roddick there and he was playing some of his best tennis at that time. Djoker takes that


09 AO- No way does Roddick handle Nadal or Verdasco there

09 Wimby- Yea thats Roddicks. He was playing very well



So Roddick gets another 2-3 anyways.
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blake would have never have won a slam, regardless of who is in the field. in his wildest dreams maybe a final, but never a big W.
 
Turning Pro said:
^Hewitt would have taken about half of Roddicks slams if Federer wasn't there.
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OK, if you say so.

hewitt has played roddick 3 times on grass, and has lost all of them, even in 2004 when hewitt was still a force. The only reason hewitt won wimbledon is because of the easy draw he got, dont deny it
 
Turning Pro said:
^Hewitt would have taken about half of Roddicks slams if Federer wasn't there.
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Hewitt may very well have taken the 04 and 05 wimbeldon in the abscence of Roger. People are giving Roddick wayyy too much credit around.. As if he would have been an automatic for every slam without Roger around. Roddick is good but was he ever THAT GOOD? No. Hes lost to plenty of players at the slams outside of Fed
 
Here's my opinion:

2003 Wimbledon-Roddick in 3 sets over Scud.

2004 Wimbledon-Despite Hewitt always being a tough match-up for Roddick(Hewitt was 3-1 against Roddick at that point and crushed him at TMC later that year)I think Roddick would have prevailed in this one as he played some of his best tennis at Wimbledon that year,Roddick in 5.

2005 Wimbledon-Hewitt in 3,Roddick had a pretty easy draw to get to the final and his level of tennis at Wimbledon wasn't really high that year.

2006 U.S Open- Blake was playing his best tennis ever that year but Roddick was in pretty good form himself at USO that year(gave Fed a relatively tough final and had a convincing win over Youzhny in SF)and is a much better big match player than Blake so Roddick in 5.

2007 Australian Open-Gonzo was playing the best tennis of his life and Roddick was in a so so form but he was always a tough match-up for Gonzo and a better big match player so hard to say but I'll go with Roddick in 5.

2007 U.S Open-I think Djokovic in 4 although Roddick did play a great match against Fed in QF and Djokovic was showing some nerves in the final so Roddick would certainly have a chance but I think Novak was just playing at a higher level at USO that year.

2009 Australian Open- Nadal beats Roddick in 3 sets.

2009 Wimbledon- Roddick in 4 over Haas.
 
zagor said:
Here's my opinion:

2003 Wimbledon-Roddick in 3 sets over Scud.

2004 Wimbledon-Despite Hewitt always being a tough match-up for Roddick(Hewitt was 3-1 against Roddick at that point and crushed him at TMC later that year)I think Roddick would have prevailed in this one as he played some of his best tennis at Wimbledon that year,Roddick in 5.

2005 Wimbledon-Hewitt in 3,Roddick had a pretty easy draw to get to the final and his level of tennis at Wimbledon wasn't really high that year.

2006 U.S Open- Blake was playing his best tennis ever that year but Roddick was in pretty good form himself at USO that year(gave Fed a relatively tough final and had a convincing win over Youzhny in SF)and is a much better big match player than Blake so Roddick in 5.

2007 Australian Open-Gonzo was playing the best tennis of his life and Roddick was in a so so form but he was always a tough match-up for Gonzo and a better big match player so hard to say but I'll go with Roddick in 5.

2007 U.S Open-I think Djokovic in 4 although Roddick did play a great match against Fed in QF and Djokovic was showing some nerves in the final so Roddick would certainly have a chance but I think Novak was just playing at a higher level at USO that year.

2009 Australian Open- Nadal beats Roddick in 3 sets.

2009 Wimbledon- Roddick in 4 over Haas.
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i agree with all of those options except 2 - i think roddick would have beaten hewitt in 2005, and i think roddick would have took a set from nadal in the AO final. eevrything else is kk
 
GameSampras said:
Hewitt may very well have taken the 04 and 05 wimbeldon in the abscence of Roger. People are giving Roddick wayyy too much credit around.. As if he would have been an automatic for every slam without Roger around. Roddick is good but was he ever THAT GOOD? No. Hes lost to plenty of players at the slams outside of Fed
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Roddick wouldn't have altered his game midway through his carer if Federer didn't exist. Oh, and he probably would be still with Gilbert if Federer wasn't around either.
 
NamRanger said:
Roddick wouldn't have altered his game midway through his carer if Federer didn't exist. Oh, and he probably would be still with Gilbert if Federer wasn't around either.
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How did Roddick altering his game really help him any way though really? Hell I thought he was seeing more success under the tutilage of Gilbert then he has been in these recent years. Its not like altering his game helped Roddick in anyways vs. Federer. 2-19? yikes
 
GameSampras said:
How did Roddick altering his game really help him any way though really? Hell I thought he was seeing more success under the tutilage of Gilbert then he has been in these recent years. Its not like altering his game helped Roddick in anyways vs. Federer. 2-19? yikes
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That is kind of the point. He was trying to play more percentage tennis and lost his biggest weapon outside of his serve. Had Federer not been around, Roddick would have never lost his big forehand. And no matter how you try and spin it, Roddick is as dangerous as anyone to win a fast slam (Wimbledon/USO) when he is hitting his serve and forehand well.



Remember, John Roddick and Dean Goldfine together completely destroyed Roddick's game for a good 3 years (from 2005-2008 pretty much). Connors did as best as he could to repair Roddick's game from 07-08, but he honestly couldn't do much since he's not a coach. Stefanki had to do alot of work to get Roddick back to his 03-04 level.
 
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Well, I think Roddick was very clearly the best player at this year's Wimbledon next to Federer, and probably the '04 Wimbledon as well. '03 didn't see a very tough lineup in the last weekend either, so a Roddick victory there in the absence of Federer looks very plausible. I estimate Roddick would probably have won two to three Wimbledon titles by now were everything to remain the same except that Federer was removed from the picture. At the US Open, we have the '06 final and '07 quarterfinal (wherein Roddick was in strong form) runs having been stopped by Federer- it seems pretty likely Roddick wins one of these two titles with no Roger to thwart him. I don't think anyone at a Federerless version of the 2007 Australian Open would be a heavy favorite over Roddick, and although it is a challenging prospect, I don't see why we should discount Roddick's chances against Nadal at the '09 version (keeping in mind that Nadal does not historically own Roddick on hardcourts the way Federer does); one Australian Open title looks like a reasonable prospect, though I don't think it's a shoe-in.

So, overall, we're looking at two to three Wimbledon titles, another US Open, and possibly an Australian Open, for a total of four to six Slams on Roddick's ledger by the present day. I voted four to be conservative.
 
You really believe Roddick would have a chance on a slower hardcourt surface AO vs. Nadal playiing some of the best tennis thus far of his career? To honest I would give roddick NO CHANCE vs Rafa at the AO early this year. None
 
GameSampras said:
You really believe Roddick would have a chance on a slower hardcourt surface AO vs. Nadal playiing some of the best tennis thus far of his career? To honest I would give roddick NO CHANCE vs Rafa at the AO early this year. None
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Agree with this Nadal would have easily beaten Roddick at this Australian Open.
 
GameSampras said:
You really believe Roddick would have a chance on a slower hardcourt surface AO vs. Nadal playiing some of the best tennis thus far of his career? To honest I would give roddick NO CHANCE vs Rafa at the AO early this year. None
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Well, if Nadal still plays Verdasco in the semis (the draw could shift, meaning Roddick might have to deal with Verdasco instead, in which case his chances decrease, I'd say) and has a six-hour epic, then yes, I think Roddick could stand a reasonable chance. Keep in mind, that Australian Open final's result was decided largely by mental factors rather than physical- that is, Nadal was obviously hurting from the Verdasco marathon, had a clear limp at times and was not at 100% capacity for substantial stretches of the match, but Federer, who was low on confidence and suffering from his usual mental block against Nadal, couldn't capitalize. He had a barrel full of break points in the third set when Nadal looked to be in serious strain, and had he converted even one of them, he could have easily served out the set and then run away with it in the fourth, but instead he squandered his opportunities and allowed Nadal to recover and take the tiebreak.

Roddick, while an inferior player to Federer, does not have the same kind of mental complex against Nadal that Roger does, and could possibly have been able to seize the day against an ailing Rafa if things went his way. I wouldn't bet on it, but neither would I rule it out. Let's say in this Federerless scenario, perhaps Roddick has a 40% chance of winning the '07 Australian Open and a 20% chance at the '09 event.
 
Impossible to know. Zagor tries to outline possibilities but it seems entirely silly to me. Without Federer - unless what the TV show Lost tells us is actually true - history would be different, draws would be different. It is hard to say other than Roddick would usually come up against great baseliners regardless and most likely be undone in semis and finals anywho. If I HAD to guess i would say 2 - 4, but i don't see the point in replacing Roddick's opponents with the alternatives at the the completed slam events that he played in.
 
It is impossible to tell because we don't know how Roddick would have played without Federer around. Roddick revamped his game specifically to beat Federer. This was a huge mistake and he paid the price of 2-3 good years. Who knows really.
 
If we're going to pretend Federer doesn't exist, then players like Nadal, Hewitt, Safin, and Blake have better careers. So we have to assume that they play well and win more often as well. Plus, Roddick would have more slams and more confidence going into other slams. Therefore, altering everyone's careers. But I'll leave the time travel anomalies for Star Trek.

2003 Wimbledon Final - Beats Phillopussis in 4 or 5
2003 US Open Final - Obviously won
2004/2005 Wimbledon Final - Beats almost anyone else
2006 US Open Final - Beats everyone except maybe Nadal
2007 Australian Open Final - Destroys Gonzalez as badly as Roddick was by Federer
2007 US Open - Beats Davydenko in straights and Djokovic in 4
2009 Australian Open Final - MAYBE beats Nadal in 5
2009 Wimbledon Final - Beats anyone else after Murray upset.

So, 9 total if only Federer doesn't exist.
 
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