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Don't ruin your good reputation writing that kind of stuff, please...Murray is around Hewitt level.
Don't ruin your good reputation writing that kind of stuff, please...Murray is around Hewitt level.
In terms of playing level I don't see much difference between peak Murray and peak Hewitt... Murray is better because of his longevity but he fared better against Djokovic because he matched up well against him. Same can't be said for Hewitt and Federer.Not true he has 1 more slam and many more slam finals.
In terms of playing level I don't see much difference between peak Murray and peak Hewitt... Murray is better because of his longevity but he fared better against Djokovic because he matched up well against him. Same can't be said for Hewitt and Federer.
That's mental gymnastic. Murray has won more than 14natches against Fed, how many Hewitt won? Only a blind fan like you will say both are equal player. Hewit has nothing over Murray from serve to bh.
Hewitt won 9 out of 18 matches against Federer... only behind Nalbandian and Murray himself. I never said both were equal players. I said Murray is better because of his longevity but peak for peak they are roughly the same. Hewitt had over 10,000 points at one point and wasn't allowed to get more when he peaked because of Federer...
Haha it's the post Miami effect. The number will cool off once the sting of Federer's Miami victory fades.That is unrealistic. Djokovic may well reach 18-20 majors but no way in hell is he winning 25. WTF?
Murray never had to face 2004 Federer who was more dangerous than his 2006 counterpart IMO...Hewit h2h against Fed was embarrassing once Fed hit the peak even you know that.murray was even leading in h2h with fed for long and that too in Fed prime .
If Rafa reaches 19 with just RG I’ll still consider Nole greater due to his greater versatility and YEC titles.I think your calculations are wrong...
If Novak finish with 18 slams and finish as 2nd greatest, that mean Rafa will win only one more slam. So, Rafa plus Novak just 4 more slams combined to the rest of their carriers. No way that will happen. There is 90 percent of chance next RG is Rafas or Noles...
My prediction is they will win at least 8 more titles combined... New guy will start winning slams, Fed may get another one or two, but these two will keep dominating in next few years...
If Rafa reaches 19 with just RG I’ll still consider Nole greater due to his greater versatility and YEC titles.
Wild exaggeration. And lol at Nole having anywhere near tough competition post 2013.Even if Rafa and Nole don't reach 20 they will be greater than Fed due to 100 times greter competition.
Wild exaggeration. And lol at Nole having anywhere near tough competition post 2013.
Where’s Nadal’s competition on clay too? Out of all the times Fed/Nole played him at RG during his winning runs... only once did either of them provide a good test (2013). Every other time was a walk in the park.
Pretty even in that scenario. Nole would need to equal or surpass the slam total in order to be sole GOAT.How about this?
Nole wins the next FO and Wimbledon. 5 in a row!
He loses at the USO, failing to get the CYGS.
He then wins the WTF and goes on to win AO20.
But after that he never wins another slam. But he accumulates enough weeks at #1 to beat Fed.
He ends with 18 slams, two less than Fed
He has a better record than Fed at two of the slams.
He equals Fed at the WTF
He has more time at number 1 than Fed (both weeks and YE)
He has more masters than Fed.
I really don't see a realistic scenario where Nole is sole GOAT. I do think it's more likely that Nole can win enough to be some sort of co-GOAT, depending on what you think is most important.Pretty even in that scenario. Nole would need to equal or surpass the slam total in order to be sole GOAT.
That does seem most likely scenario. Fed will always have his claims due to the Wimbledon record, 20 slams, 5 in a row at 2 slams, longevity etc but Nole can put himself up there if he continues to rack up slams and time at number 1. They’re my top 2.I really don't see a realistic scenario where Nole is sole GOAT. I do think it's more likely that Nole can win enough to be some sort of co-GOAT, depending on what you think is most important.
Not really .with h2h and 100times tougher competition , Nole would be far ahead than Fed. Anyways, I don't believe in Goat. It's not possible to have a Goat .Pretty even in that scenario. Nole would need to equal or surpass the slam total in order to be sole GOAT.
Where are you getting this “100 times tougher” nonsense from?Not really .with h2h and 100times tougher competition , Nole would be far ahead than Fed. Anyways, I don't believe in Goat. It's not possible to have a Goat .
Where are you getting this “100 times tougher” nonsense from?
Fed never had any years as weak as 2015/2016 with 0 prime ATG competition on any surface.
In any case I am very much at the "it's all gravy from here on" stage. Last year it seemed it was all over and then he went on to win another 3 in a row. If Nole wins nothing else I'll still be happy as a fan and he will still have one of the greatest tennis careers of all time.That does seem most likely scenario. Fed will always have his claims due to the Wimbledon record, 20 slams, 5 in a row at 2 slams, longevity etc but Nole can put himself up there if he continues to rack up slams and time at number 1. They’re my top 2.
Hope the mod don't delete this thread so
we can all look back in the next few years.
I don’t know.Djokovic is still 31 and in this era of tennis ,players are playing at very high level In their 30s. With us open literally playing like australian open I see Djokovic dominating there for atleast 3 more years and be a contender till 35. With Murray out of pic I see noone Challenging him at Wimbledon if he makes it to second week of tournament. Guys, how many us open and Wimbledon Djokovic is going to win before he calls it a day .I think 6 us open and 6 -7Wimbledon . Discuss
Please explain to me how in the hell does the USO plays like the AO? Besides him winning the recent two, both courts aren’t the same.
Hope the mod don't delete this thread so we can all look back in the next few years.
1 Wimbledon cancelled where he was HEAVY favorite, 1 usopen defaulted and 1 uspoen banned. he could have been sitting on 6 usopen and 8 wimbledons now. GOAT.We're here to look back on it.
As it stands,
Djokovic has 7 Wimbledon titles and 4 US Open titles
Since this thread was made, he won 3 Wimbledon titles and 1 US Open title.
Time to ask the question again I think, how many of these two slams does Djokovic end his career with?
1 Wimbledon cancelled where he was HEAVY favorite, 1 usopen defaulted and 1 uspoen banned. he could have been sitting on 6 usopen and 8 wimbledons now. GOAT.
8 Wimbledons and hopefully 5 USopens. I won't mind if he never wins another AO now. Win 2 more USopens if he can.He's done OK for himself outside of his pet slam, that is for sure.
He has a full Sampras career outside of his favorite hunting grounds. Not too bad at all.
But it will be interesting as Novak enters what will be the final part of his career now, what his Wimbledon and USO numbers will look like before he rides off into the sunset. He also has done incredibly well there.
8 Wimbledons and hopefully 5 USopens. I won't mind if he never wins another AO now. Win 2 more USopens if he can.
Not a sin to indulge a little during a very Merry Nole ChristmasThese bumps are getting a little indulgent.
Jesus already copyrighted Christmas bro.Not a sin to indulge a little during a very Merry Nole Christmas
I don't care about Roger, but if Nole is to overtake Roger, I would prefer it on USOpen than Wimbledon. Roger deserves to be the best ever on grass.So join Federer at the top for both in Open Era.
No, he does not deserve anything.I don't care about Roger, but if Nole is to overtake Roger, I would prefer it on USOpen than Wimbledon. Roger deserves to be the best ever on grass.
Ok then he will win EVERYTHING. Never say no.No, he does not deserve anything.
Been hearing that the young guns are coming for 10 years...He'll most probably win another wimbledon and 2 more AOs. The USOs and Frenchs could become very hard to win now. Next gens will be stronger than ever in 2024-2025 phase, Alcaraz and gang are coming.
Been hearing that the young guns are coming for 10 years...![]()
Thats true. I just stopped hoping years ago. Lets hope he is the one we have been waiting for!Alcaraz has arrived, at 20 he has same number of slams as guys born in 1990s combined.
Very, very good prediction.I think Djokovic will retire with 22-25slams . 9 ao open -6 wim -2RG -6 us open