Discussion in 'Classic Racquet Talk' started by proracketeer, Oct 31, 2008.
How many versions of the Snauwaert Graphite Mid can you name?
The original Graphite Mid, Gerulaitis, Gottfried and Smid Graphite Mid.
A nice little variation on them was the ATP Pro line. And if were not counting pj's Lacoste Top 341's work nicely
was the boron mid essentially the same, or was it a different racket?
There are several:
Graphite Pro Gerulaitis
Smid Graphite Mid
Special Mid Graphite
Oh dear, there were a few different Snauwaert lines there, but it's true, they're all midsizes. Let's sort through it:
1.) Wood-based composite Mids (541cm2, 18Mx18C), available ca. 1984-1986:
a.) Brian Gottfried Graphite Mid
b.) Tomas Smid Graphite Mid (identical to the Gottfried, apart from name on racket, supposed to sell better in Europe although Mecir and Gerulaitis used the Gottfried model, circa 1984)
c.) Vitas Gerulaitis Graphite Mid (less graphite than in the Gottfried and Smid, all black facing with grey/white trim)
2.) Graphite (epoxy matrix) Composite Mids (elliptic shaped heads, 539 cm2, 16Mx18C):
Available ca. 1983-1986:
a.) Golden Mid (graphite/fiberglass/Kevlar)
b.) Boron Mid [renamed in 1987 Boron Orbit] (graphite/fiberglass/Kevlar/Boron)
c.) Graphite Mid [renamed in 1987 Graphite Orbit] (80% graphite/20% fiberglass)
d.) Graphite Pro
e.) Lady Mid
Available ca. 1987-1988:
f.) HiTen 25 (12Mx16C)
g.) Silver Shadow
h.) Masters Mid
i.) Masters Lady
3.) Dyno Graphite Composite Mids (Warren Bosworth-designed, isometric shape, 564cm2 size, 16Mx18C):
Available ca. 1984-1986:
a.) Golden Dyno (graphite/fiberglass/Kevlar)
b.) Dyno-Boron (graphite/fiberglass/Kevlar/boron)
c.) Graphite Dyno (80% graphite/20% fiberglass)
Available ca. 1987-1988:
e.) HiTen 30 (12Mx16C)
4.) Master Series Graphite Composites (teardrop shaped, 630cm2, 16Mx18C), available ca. 1987-1989:
a.) Royal Precision Ceramic
b.) Black Shadow
c.) White Shadow
d.) Masters Precision
5.) Ergonom Rackets (canted head midsized graphite composites, available ca. 1984-1986):
a.) "Dyno shaped head" Ergonom Graphite (silver and blue)
b.) "Mid [elliptical] shaped head" Ergonom Graphite (red and blue)
*These were available concurrently, and look to be the Graphite Dyno or Graphite Mid heads tilted over 42 degrees off the centerline axis of the frame. Same hitting surface and string pattern as the Dyno and Mid series frames of 1984-1986.
There was also a cheaper line of composites back in 1983-1986 known as the SX series, featuring a nylon throat (like the Pro Kennex Bronze Ace), renamed in 1987 as the Techforce 30.
And then there were the ATP series of frames, in the late 80's/early 90's, and the Mikael Pernfors (a midplus) frame which appeared to be a knockoff of the Wimbledon Graphite, which I'm afraid I don't know too much about.
And then the later "Elliptic" series of wider beamed frames, which were, I believe, more like a midplus size and the last products put out by Snauwaert, a company who had been producing tennis rackets since 1929.
very comprehensive answer. i might have misunderstood the original question. are the rackets you list all variations of the Graphite Mid or are they simply midsize rackets made of graphite by snauwaert.
Those are all mids with graphite.
The variations of the model called "Graphite Mid," or to be more specific, the rackets made from the same mold (same head size, beam width, same drilling pattern - with exception of the Hi Ten variant) as the Graphite Mid, I listed in section 2.) of my previous post. Add them up, there are eleven different models made from that mold between 1983 and 1988 that I know of.
All I can add is that I miss Snauwaert.... I thought they manufactured the highest quality mass produced racquets that have ever been available to the consumer. You could easily match racquets because Snauwaert would engrave on every racquet the grip size, the weight, and the balance.
Thanks for taking the time to clarify that for me.
Retro, it's guys like you that keep me coming back to these threads (and I've been here a while). Thanks.
snauwaert masters lady????, the marketing guy who thought that up wore," sex panther", "60% of the time, it works every time."
someone has just seen "achor man"
Thank you very much.
Can you relate Ergonom and Dyno to the Graphit Orbit in terms of weight, flex and Composition?
Both 80% Graphite?
Those were really that large? 98 in.²?
Maybe 89 sq.in.
I have a pristine Graphite Dyno...Is there a touch of wood in it??
To more "Graphite Mid".
Any info on those?
No mention of the Royal Precision (sans ceramic)?
The made in Belgium frame was the normal Graphite Mid mold from 1982-88/89. The developed in Belgium frame looks like it was from towards the end of the company like early 1990's.
I have the Gerulaitis version hanging on my wall. It was one of my first real rackets when I began playing.
I got two "NEW" Pro-AM, with green fabric racquet case,,,
Do you have some info of this sticks?
Both are just super sexy
which ones are these? and how do they play?
Royal Mid Ceramic & Royal Precision Ceramic
They play great.
Hi, can i ask if you were able to get any info about the Snauwaert Pro-AM? I happen to own them also but never had luck looking for any info on these racquets. Thanks.
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Very comprehensive! Somehow you missed the Hi-Ten 50. It's in the picture below on the right.
I think I'd put it under your category 2.) Graphite (epoxy matrix) Composite Mids.
I was aware of the three Hi-Tens, but the 50 was considered an oversized frame in its day, hence my exclusion of it in the taxonomy of Snauwaert "mids."
Thanks for the info, retrowagen!
I may get a "Graphite Dyno" to compare to my Ergonom 1, since you seem to suggest they used the same mold. I love the way the Ergonom plays..
Do you know anything about the Dyneema S60? I saw one with the swingweight listed on the throat; 410. I had to buy it.
I do believe that Dyneema S60 was really the last of the Snauwaert models with the Warren Bosworth-designed "Dyno" headshape and string pattern, albeit in a more aerodynamic, wider beam cross-section.
Dyneema-infused layups seem to have a good, plush feel (some Mizuno models also used it, for vibration tuning), so it'll probably hit a decent ball! Enjoy!
I saw also a "Dyneema-fiber" Bridgestone modern racquet a few time ago on sale on the big auction site.
Maybe it's still used into some Bridgestone racquets, but I don't know exactly, as it's quite hard to find info about Bridgestones racquets nowdays.
There is a Bridgestone Dynabeam for sale for a princely sum. Seems to be mentioned in some Prince of Tennis cartoon, hence the valuation... and a couple of unspecified composition other Bridgestones.. As much as I am tempted, I cannot buy every single racket that I am curious about .
A couple of Snauwaert Ellipse Touch F, C .. also have dyneema listed. All I can say is that the Dyneema S60 feels amazing. It is approx 93 sq in 18x20. I tested it against the wall and the plow-through and control and feel is out of this world. I may post a review in the not so distant future..
I start to suspect that it's a common problem the curiosity about many rackets.
The Bridgestone you are referring to it's exactly the one I saw few time ago (unreasonably expensive also in my opinion).
Ps. I'll be glad to read a review about your new Dyneema beauty in the future.
A few pics to whet your appetite I hope this shows up..
I uploaded a mini gallery at www.zenrackets.com
Thank you for the pics.
It is really beautiful and for sure unique with that arrow shaped grommet.
Let me/us know how it plays after a proper test
retrowagen stirred my curiosity and I purchased a Graphite Dyno to compare to the Ergonom Graphite. I like the way the Ergonom plays and was curious to see if the Graphite Dyno has the same genes. I will write a review, probably a comparison between the two and the Dunlop Max 200g pro.
Due to elbow pain, I Bought 2 Snauwaert MID Graphite Wood Composite-Snauwaert Meso Graphite Two 18X18- on side of racket above the handle has 3 numbers Printed in Black - 3 390 325 I believe the three is grip size, what is 390, the weight? What are the other two numbers. The racket is great for my arm. The racket face is more round than oval. I don't know the size or square area of racket face. The racket face seems to be about 90-91. The sweet spot is smaller than my 95-98 modern rackets but the control is amazing. The racket is heavy and I strung it with gut. I don't know the surface area of the racket. I played with racket for 6 months when I had serious elbow inflammation, but it actually made it feel better and I switched to modern flexible rackets. I Had 2 Snauwaert Meso 2 Mid Graphite Wood Composite rackets but I lost one of them. I had Lyme disease, & I can't remember what happened to the other one. I'm considering restringing it with gut, and playing with it regularly. It takes great focus, concentration & strength because of small racket head & weight. But my arm & back will get stronger & my elbow will never falter with inflammation.
390 is weight in grams and 325 is the balance
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