How many Wawrinkas are out there? (or there have been in the past)

Wawrinka was for most of his 20s, the physical prime of humans, when he should have been at his best, a pretty good tennis player that floated around the top 30, comparable to someone like Youzhny.
In 2012, when he was like 27-28, he hires Magnus Norman, and he levels up becoming a real top 10 player capable of winning majors even if he has to beat the best tennis players of history to achieve his goal.

Do you think there are (or there have been) other players out there, floating in the top 30, who had the talent to win many majors but underachieved by never finding their Magnus Norman?
Even Agassi only became a great champion after hiring Brad Gilbert.
 

socallefty

Legend
Yes, mental confidence, match prep that includes visualization and specific strategies for different surfaces, opponents, conditions etc. have a lot to do with who wins tournaments. I think that Djokovic won a lot under Becker, Murray won a lot under Lendl, Agassi won a lot under Gilbert and Wawrinka won a lot under Norman because they forged a good player-coach link with the right combination of aggression and defense. Djokovic plays and serves more aggressively post-Becker also.

Djokovic and Murray got more aggressive under Becker and Lendl respectively which helped them as they are great on defense. Wawrinka and Agassi toned down their aggression, made less errors and constructed points in their favor which helped them. Many top pros play mindlessly when I watch them with the same game, serve/return locations and point patterns irrespective of surface/opponents etc. and the ones who make some adjustments usually do better. If you are going to play the same against everybody to win, you had better serve well and keep points short with a very aggressive style like Federer and Sampras.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Yes, mental confidence, match prep that includes visualization and specific strategies for different surfaces, opponents, conditions etc. have a lot to do with who wins tournaments. I think that Djokovic won a lot under Becker, Murray won a lot under Lendl, Agassi won a lot under Gilbert and Wawrinka won a lot under Norman because they forged a good player-coach link with the right combination of aggression and defense. Djokovic plays and serves more aggressively post-Becker also.

Djokovic and Murray got more aggressive under Becker and Lendl respectively which helped them as they are great on defense. Wawrinka and Agassi toned down their aggression, made less errors and constructed points in their favor which helped them. Many top pros play mindlessly when I watch them with the same game, serve/return locations and point patterns irrespective of surface/opponents etc. and the ones who make some adjustments usually do better. If you are going to play the same against everybody to win, you had better serve well and keep points short with a very aggressive style like Federer and Sampras.
Long ago players prepared more on their own, with less help. No huge teams. The X factor of great coaching has probably swung the advantage way more to aging, successful players because they have the money to team up with help that costs a lot of money.
 

Spin Diesel

Rookie
I think Thiem could have won more, if he had left Bresnik earlier. As far as I understand, Bresnik was the one to teach him to hit every shot as hard as possible.
And then, even though I really like Nicolas Massu, I still think he‘s not like Thiem’s Magnus Norman..
 

tex123

Professional
Wawrinka was for most of his 20s, the physical prime of humans, when he should have been at his best, a pretty good tennis player that floated around the top 30, comparable to someone like Youzhny.
In 2012, when he was like 27-28, he hires Magnus Norman, and he levels up becoming a real top 10 player capable of winning majors even if he has to beat the best tennis players of history to achieve his goal.

Do you think there are (or there have been) other players out there, floating in the top 30, who had the talent to win many majors but underachieved by never finding their Magnus Norman?
Even Agassi only became a great champion after hiring Brad Gilbert.
The one and the only one - Denis Shapovalov.

His compatriots Tsitsi and Zv are guaranteed to win a slam but I'm not sure he can unless he finds a good coach like Norman. He has all the explosive power that Wawrinka had - in fact more explosive than Wawrinka.
 

gjm127

Professional
That would coincide with LostGen, so probably no.

The only one who stands out and is in a "Gen" of his own is Thiem and yes, I do think he will have his chances at RG and USO again. It's what I hope anyway.
 

Goof

Semi-Pro
The one and the only one - Denis Shapovalov.

His compatriots Tsitsi and Zv are guaranteed to win a slam but I'm not sure he can unless he finds a good coach like Norman. He has all the explosive power that Wawrinka had - in fact more explosive than Wawrinka.
This x 1000. I would even love to see that exact combo of Denis and Norman. If Denis works on how and when to play good defense, then the sky is the limit. He has the same strengths (same but better) and weaknesses as a young Stan.
 

el sergento

Hall of Fame
The one and the only one - Denis Shapovalov.

His compatriots Tsitsi and Zv are guaranteed to win a slam but I'm not sure he can unless he finds a good coach like Norman. He has all the explosive power that Wawrinka had - in fact more explosive than Wawrinka.
Good call. And like a pre-prime Wawrinka, Dennis is also prone to double faulting at the worst possible times.
 

Zeref

Professional
The one and the only one - Denis Shapovalov.

His compatriots Tsitsi and Zv are guaranteed to win a slam but I'm not sure he can unless he finds a good coach like Norman. He has all the explosive power that Wawrinka had - in fact more explosive than Wawrinka.
He has everything that Wawrinka had when he was a floating Top 15-30, both strengths (Serve and groundstrokes) and weaknesses ( Slice, ROS) . One thing he lacks though is Stability, it's like he is almost never really stable.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Stan didn’t really begin to peak until he started pointing to his head after winning a point. Nextgen needs to start pointing at their heads more.

 
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junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
Berdych was clearly lacking in the mental departement. Tsonga as well. Poor decision making in hot moments.
 
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