How many weeks will Djokovic stay at No. 1 in his whole career?

How many weeks will Djokovic stay at No. 1 in his whole career?

  • >100

    Votes: 38 31.1%
  • 100-150

    Votes: 33 27.0%
  • 150-200

    Votes: 7 5.7%
  • 200-250

    Votes: 13 10.7%
  • 250+

    Votes: 31 25.4%

  • Total voters
    122

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Hall of Fame
1. Sampras 286
2. Federer 285
3. Lendl 270
4. Connors 268
5. McEnroe 170
6. Borg 109
7. Nadal 102
8. Agassi 101
9. Hewitt 80
10. Edberg 72
11. Courier 58
12. Kuerten 43
13. Năstase 40
14. Wilander 20
15. Roddick 13
16. Becker 12
17. Safin 9
18. Newcombe 8
= Ferrero 8
20. Muster 6
= Ríos 6
= Kafelnikov 6
23. Moyá 2
24. Rafter 1
= Djokovic 1
 
His current spell won't last that long as there are at best a possibility of 28-30 weeks to the end of 2k11 and his form won't be transferred into 2k12 so he might lose it well before next AO!!

But in overall I see between 50-75 weeks in his career to hold that top position at best...
 
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NadalAgassi

Guest
He will hold it until atleast after next years Wimbledon IMO so that is 52 weeks minimum. Not sure if Nadal will take back the ranking at that point or not. The last 3 years have had a change of hands in the #1 ranking around that time so recent history indicates this as a good possability.

Either way career wise I see something over 100.
 
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NadalAgassi

Guest
As long as he surpasses Roddick I'll be happy :)

I just noticed Becker was below Roddick, LOL! It seems Djokovic is pretty certain to surpass Becker (and Roddick) already.
 
I voted for the first one, but that appears to be greater than 100 instead of the less than 100 it was intended to be. As NadalAgassi said, 52 weeks is probably a given, but it will be interesting to see if he can do something that only Federer, Sampras, Hewitt, Lendl, and Connors have done, hold onto the number 1 ranking for an entire calendar year.
 

5555

Hall of Fame
UPDATE

Djokovic has overtaken Boris Becker!

1. Sampras 286
2. Federer 285
3. Lendl 270
4. Connors 268
5. McEnroe 170
6. Borg 109
7. Nadal 102
8. Agassi 101
9. Hewitt 80
10. Edberg 72
11. Courier 58
12. Kuerten 43
13. Năstase 40
14. Wilander 20
15. Djokovic 13
= Roddick 13
16. Becker 12
17. Safin 9
18. Newcombe 8
= Ferrero 8
20. Muster 6
= Ríos 6
= Kafelnikov 6
23. Moyá 2
24. Rafter 1
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
How is that? Djokovic`s only threat is Federer, who turns 31 next year.

Well judging by this year, you have a point. I don't know how many more times Federer can stop Djokovic. I have to wonder what will happen to Nadal if Novak tears through him again next year like this year. Those mental blows sooner or later have got to have a big effect.
 

BULLZ1LLA

Banned
How is that? Djokovic`s only threat is Federer, who turns 31 next year.

(It is an impossible task to defend the points Djokovic must defend next year. Whereas Nadal can improve heavily by going further than QF at AO, and by winning more clay events than he won last year or by doing slightly better at Canada or Cincy. And I don't like your chances if you are hoping for Federer to slip. Federer is more keen than ever, with it being an Olympic year. In the slams its as if Nadal is not ONE player, Nadal is TWO players. Nadal is Nadal and Federer, because that is what Djokovic is competing against in each slam)
 

BULLZ1LLA

Banned
IF Novak beats Nadal one or two more times this year, it will be really ugly next year.

(The Nadal-Djok h2h won't matter in the end if Djokovic can't beat Federer at Roland Garros and Wimbledon [he can barely beat him at USO]. Nadal is 2-headed monster called Fedal)
 

glazkovss

Professional
He has 100 or more in him. Nadal is no match to him, but guys who beat him this year can cause some problems in the future, especially if Murray and DelPo improve their levels. But Novak is still much more consistent than these two, so next year should also be his.
 

BULLZ1LLA

Banned
He has 100 or more in him. Nadal is no match to him, but guys who beat him this year can cause some problems in the future, especially if Murray and DelPo improve their levels. But Novak is still much more consistent than these two, so next year should also be his.

(The odds are somebody other than Djokovic will own 2012:

2008 expected to be owned by Federer.
Nadal won the most slams in 2008.

2009 expected to be owned by Nadal.
Federer won the most slams in 2009.

2010 expected to be owned by Federer.
Nadal won the most slams in 2010.

2011 expected to owned by Nadal.
Djokovic won the most slams in 2011)
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
(The Nadal-Djok h2h won't matter in the end if Djokovic can't beat Federer at Roland Garros and Wimbledon [he can barely beat him at USO]. Nadal is 2-headed monster called Fedal)

How is Nadal 2 players? Fedal is Fedal, Nadal isn't Fedal. The two headed monster hasn't become Nadal, it's like you're wanting Nadal to take credit for Federer's achievements as well - remember old Feddy is the only one to beat Djokovic in a slam and should have done it twice. So far this year it hasn't been about beating a two headed monster, because once Djokovic has got past Federer he's always beat Nadal fairly easily. In any case Djokovic is 4-1 against Fedal in slams this year.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
(The odds are somebody other than Djokovic will own 2012:

2008 expected to be owned by Federer.
Nadal won the most slams in 2008.

2009 expected to be owned by Nadal.
Federer won the most slams in 2009.

2010 expected to be owned by Federer.
Nadal won the most slams in 2010.

2011 expected to owned by Nadal.
Djokovic won the most slams in 2011)

yEah but from 2004 to 2007 one player did own every year. What happens afterwards can be broken down into the following explaination.

2008 - Nadal owns the year because Federer isn't as good anymore (Nadal played well, but prime Federer probably would have bagged at least 2 majors that year and had at least co-ownership of 2008 )
2009 - Federer owns the year because Nadal has some problems so even though Federer still isn't as good anymore, he wins 2 majors.
2010 - Nadal own the year because no-one apart from him is good anymore.
2011 - Djokovic owns year because he finally topples aging Federer and starts realising he can beat Nadal and Nadal starts experiencing mental demons against him.

Next year it will take a "Djokovic is no good anymore" scenario for his ownership to stop.
 

Set Sampras

Banned
yEah but from 2004 to 2007 one player did own every year. What happens afterwards can be broken down into the following explaination.

2008 - Nadal owns the year because Federer isn't as good anymore (Nadal played well, but prime Federer probably would have bagged at least 2 majors that year and had at least co-ownership of 2008 )
2009 - Federer owns the year because Nadal has some problems so even though Federer still isn't as good anymore, he wins 2 majors.
2010 - Nadal own the year because no-one apart from him is good anymore.
2011 - Djokovic owns year because he finally topples aging Federer and starts realising he can beat Nadal and Nadal starts experiencing mental demons against him.

Next year it will take a "Djokovic is no good anymore" scenario for his ownership to stop.

Or did Fed own those years because Nadal was still young refining his game outside of clay? Arguments can be placed on both sides. And Fed was VERY good in 2008, 2009. He still is really. You don't reach every slam final for the year and be crap like he did in 09. Take Nadal out of the equation and Fed still easily gets just about every slam during that 2 year time period. Nadal had more mileage on him this year then Fed had on him in 08 and 09.

In reference, to Djokovic, I give him another year, maybe two. He doesn't win very easily, he still too defensive minded many times, and I don think he has the physical prowress of Nadal to overcome the injuries. Nadal is extremely durable physically. Have yet to see if Djokovic is. Time will tell. Now that he is going through the real grind of the tour being on top.


I think its hillarious though People trying to convince others that Fed was no longer in his prime in 08 and 09 and past his best, just because Nadal has his number once he finally develops a game outside of clay. Yet the same logic isn't applied to Nadal this year when Djoker had his number.. Nope Nadal still in his prime in 2011, Djoker too good. Oh but btw.. Fed wasn't in his when Nadal began to whoop him outside of clay, Again Nadal has way more mileage on him this year then Fed did those years.

Double standard much? Fed fans are notorious for that though.
 
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I think its hillarious though People trying to convince others that Fed was no longer in his prime in 08 and 09[/B] and past his best, just because Nadal has his number once he finally develops a game outside of clay. Yet the same logic isn't applied to Nadal this year when Djoker had his number.. Nope Nadal still in his prime in 2011, Djoker too good. Oh but btw.. Fed wasn't in his when Nadal began to whoop him outside of clay,

Double standard much? Fed fans are notorious for that though.

Just like prior to 2004, Fed was all over the place. You can still show flashes of brilliance and not be in a "prime". Fed's prime probably ended in 2008, though he still showed brilliance after of course.

Yet another contradiction. Don't you ever learn?
 

Set Sampras

Banned
Yet another contradiction. Don't you ever learn?

His best days ended in 2008 ( but that didn't bare resemblence in the results) actually I agree Its up to consideration if you want to see say his "prime" ended then. Maybe it did maybe it didn't. Thats still just opinion not fact really. 4 slam finals made in 2009? He certainly had good results in 08 and 09. .. But why is it we can't blame Nadal's losses to Djokovic for being passed his prime? If we can blame Fed.
 
His best days ended in 2008 ( but that didn't bare resemblence in the results) actually I agree Its up to consideration if you want to see say his "prime" ended then. Maybe it did maybe it didn't. Thats still just opinion not fact really. 4 slam finals made in 2009? He certainly had good results in 08 and 09. .. But why is it we can't blame Nadal's losses to Djokovic for being passed his prime? If we can blame Fed.

There is no ambiguity. In one post you said his prime did not end in 2009. In another post you said his prime ended in 2008. Seems like you'll say anything in the spur of the moment.

Bold: Age.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Or did Fed own those years because Nadal was still young refining his game outside of clay? Arguments can be placed on both sides. And Fed was VERY good in 2008, 2009. He still is really. You don't reach every slam final for the year and be crap like he did in 09. Take Nadal out of the equation and Fed still easily gets just about every slam during that 2 year time period. Nadal had more mileage on him this year then Fed had on him in 08 and 09.

In reference, to Djokovic, I give him another year, maybe two. He doesn't win very easily, he still too defensive minded many times, and I don think he has the physical prowress of Nadal to overcome the injuries. Nadal is extremely durable physically. Have yet to see if Djokovic is. Time will tell. Now that he is going through the real grind of the tour being on top.


I think its hillarious though People trying to convince others that Fed was no longer in his prime in 08 and 09 and past his best, just because Nadal has his number once he finally develops a game outside of clay. Yet the same logic isn't applied to Nadal this year when Djoker had his number.. Nope Nadal still in his prime in 2011, Djoker too good. Oh but btw.. Fed wasn't in his when Nadal began to whoop him outside of clay, Again Nadal has way more mileage on him this year then Fed did those years.

Double standard much? Fed fans are notorious for that though.

In 2008 Federer was still good but he had declined no doubt about it, he was not only losing to Nadal but Mardy Fish, Roddick and other players who he'd normally beat. Not only did he lose but he often looked bored. Nadal had gotten better but Federer had got a touch worse.

The difference with Federer being past prime and Nadal, is Federer had come off 4 years in 3 of which he'd won 3 slams. 2007 had come as a slight downturn from previous years - still 3 slams, but more unexpected losses and less titles elsewhere.

On the other hand Nadal is straight off a record breaking year that was taking his game to new heights. He won 3 slams for the first time, won the US Open for the first time, won the clay sweep for the first time. Essentially he was on an UPWARDS curve, not like Federer who was visibly on a downwards one. This season Nadal has reached about 8 finals, all the clay finals, 2 HC masters and 3 slam finals. He's been worse on clay but overall he's been better than years ago.

Also this miles on the clock argument is funny. Because people claim Nadal is better because he won earlier. However if the miles on the clock is more important than actual age (in other words Nadal should be past his prime at 25 and not 27 like Federer) then there is no glory in winning earlier, because it doesn't grant you a longer career. Also if he wasn't as good outside clay for most of his prime, that isn't a great thing. People want to first makeout that since he began winning slams in 2005, Rafa must be past his best now, they also want to claim Federer is lucky he only had a baby Nadal to contend with and Nadal only started his prime in 2008-2010. So what is it? Were his early years prime, or is he prime now? Can't have it both ways.
 
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NadalAgassi

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Or did Fed own those years because Nadal was still young refining his game outside of clay? Arguments can be placed on both sides. And Fed was VERY good in 2008, 2009. He still is really. You don't reach every slam final for the year and be crap like he did in 09. Take Nadal out of the equation and Fed still easily gets just about every slam during that 2 year time period. Nadal had more mileage on him this year then Fed had on him in 08 and 09.

In reference, to Djokovic, I give him another year, maybe two. He doesn't win very easily, he still too defensive minded many times, and I don think he has the physical prowress of Nadal to overcome the injuries. Nadal is extremely durable physically. Have yet to see if Djokovic is. Time will tell. Now that he is going through the real grind of the tour being on top.


I think its hillarious though People trying to convince others that Fed was no longer in his prime in 08 and 09 and past his best, just because Nadal has his number once he finally develops a game outside of clay. Yet the same logic isn't applied to Nadal this year when Djoker had his number.. Nope Nadal still in his prime in 2011, Djoker too good. Oh but btw.. Fed wasn't in his when Nadal began to whoop him outside of clay, Again Nadal has way more mileage on him this year then Fed did those years.

Double standard much? Fed fans are notorious for that though.

Federer until 2010 atleast was very good. This nonsense of him being a crickety old man already at 26, is even more ridiculous than those who say Nadal is fading at 25 (keep in mind as we always reminded by ****s Nadal was an early bloomer, Federer was a super late bloomer which explains away all his defeats until turning 23). Federer from 2008-January 2010 reached the finals of 8 of 9 slams, winning 4 of them. In 2010 he won Australian Open, WTF, Cincinnati Masters, reached 2 other Masters finals, had match points to be in the U.S Open final.

He only faded slightly and the competition had gotten alot stronger than just facing Hewitt, Roddick, mid 30s Agassi, or sometimes Baghdatis, Gonzalez, washed up Philippoussis in virtually every Australian, Wimbledon, and U.S Open final. Instead the two pigeons Hewitt and Roddick were replaced with Nadal and Djokovic, needless to say an enormous upgrade, while the likes of regular top 5 and sometimes top 3 players of the Federer era such as Blake and Ljubicic were replaced by people like Murray and Soderling. This year, and starting last year after Australia, is the first time he truly regressed alot.
 

Tony48

Legend
Can't believe Hewitt was No. 1 for so long.

EDIT: Well, he backed it up by going deep in a bunch of Masters during that stretch so I guess it's not that surprising.
 

Set Sampras

Banned
There is no ambiguity. In one post you said his prime did not end in 2009. In another post you said his prime ended in 2008. Seems like you'll say anything in the spur of the moment.

Bold: Age.

Is it age or is it the mileage factor? Mileage factor seems to be the word of the day. Who has more mileage to them then Nadal does? Other then Roger? 10 slams, 14 slam finals, Masters record, deep draws, top 2 for 6 years.. You're bound to decline, sometime with that kind of resume of course. Or at least be much past your peak I think. Thats ALOT of tennis for a guy. Factor in how every other year Nadal has injuries he has to come back from every other year.. While health wise, Fed has been as close to perfect as you can get.
 
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Set Sampras

Banned
Can't believe Hewitt was No. 1 for so long.

EDIT: Well, he backed it up by going deep in a bunch of Masters during that stretch so I guess it's not that surprising.

Well hewitt was pretty good at his peak. At the time certainly better then anyone there except for probably Andre ( he did beat the defending champ Hewitt at the USO in 02) but by late 02-03 his game was going south. Hewitt was a pretty dang tough guy at his peak.. But comparing apples to oranges, he doesn't sniff nole or rafa
 

Evan77

Banned
Or did Fed own those years because Nadal was still young refining his game outside of clay? Arguments can be placed on both sides. And Fed was VERY good in 2008, 2009. He still is really. You don't reach every slam final for the year and be crap like he did in 09. Take Nadal out of the equation and Fed still easily gets just about every slam during that 2 year time period. Nadal had more mileage on him this year then Fed had on him in 08 and 09.

In reference, to Djokovic, I give him another year, maybe two. He doesn't win very easily, he still too defensive minded many times, and I don think he has the physical prowress of Nadal to overcome the injuries. Nadal is extremely durable physically. Have yet to see if Djokovic is. Time will tell. Now that he is going through the real grind of the tour being on top.


I think its hillarious though People trying to convince others that Fed was no longer in his prime in 08 and 09 and past his best, just because Nadal has his number once he finally develops a game outside of clay. Yet the same logic isn't applied to Nadal this year when Djoker had his number.. Nope Nadal still in his prime in 2011, Djoker too good. Oh but btw.. Fed wasn't in his when Nadal began to whoop him outside of clay, Again Nadal has way more mileage on him this year then Fed did those years.

Double standard much? Fed fans are notorious for that though.

Novak is so not defensive. His strategy is going from defense to offense. It's very smart. He is athletic enough to execute it. I'm just watching some of his matches. It's freaking unbelievable. The guy moves so well. It's crazy.

I do agree about the double standard thingy. How long will he last? I have no clue. It's very hard to predict something like that.
 
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bullfan

Legend
I guess we'll find out in 2012. I would think that Novak will be number one until at least Wimbledon, if not longer.
 

Talker

Hall of Fame
I don't think Nadal can catch Djokovic.

In January:
1 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 12,390
2 Federer, Roger (SUI) 9,245
3 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 6,240

Nadal has over 6,000 points on Novak.

Right now:
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 14,720
2 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 10,620
3 Federer, Roger (SUI) 8,380

Djokovic has a 4,000 point lead.

That's a 10,000 point turnaround since the start of the year. :shock:
 
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TopFH

Hall of Fame
(The odds are somebody other than Djokovic will own 2012:

2008 expected to be owned by Federer.
Nadal won the most slams in 2008.

2009 expected to be owned by Nadal.
Federer won the most slams in 2009.

2010 expected to be owned by Federer.
Nadal won the most slams in 2010.

2011 expected to owned by Nadal.
Djokovic won the most slams in 2011)

So who is going to dominate according to you? Remember that you won't know what happens tomorrow until you get there.
 

TopFH

Hall of Fame
I don't think Nadal can catch Djokovic.

I january:
1 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 12,390
2 Federer, Roger (SUI) 9,245
3 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 6,240

Nadal has over 6,000 points on Novak.

Right now:
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 14,720
2 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 10,620
3 Federer, Roger (SUI) 8,380

Djokovic has a 4,000 point lead.

That's a 10,000 point turnaround since the start of the year. :shock:

It shows how weak the field is! (sarcasm):twisted:
 

Talker

Hall of Fame
So who is going to dominate according to you? Remember that you won't know what happens tomorrow until you get there.

Djokovic will. I hope some other players get into the mix, Murray, DelPo, Soderling etc.

I wouldn't mind knowing what happens tomorrow unless it's my last day. :(
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
In 2008 Federer was still good but he had declined no doubt about it, he was not only losing to Nadal but Mardy Fish, Roddick and other players who he'd normally beat.

In 2007, Federer was losing to Canas (twice) and Volandri.

So what is it? Were his early years prime, or is he prime now? Can't have it both ways.

Nadal's absolute best was from April to August 2008, winning 8 tournaments in 4 months. Going into his US Open semi final, he had won 53 of his last 55 matches.
 

devila

Banned
federer was never a spectacular thinker or mover. he was lucky with a decent but weaponless hewitt and chokers roddick and nalbandian and baghdatis. even djoker choked at age 20 and 21 versus federer.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
federer was never a spectacular thinker or mover. he was lucky with a decent but weaponless hewitt and chokers roddick and nalbandian and baghdatis. even djoker choked at age 20 and 21 versus federer.

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Unless you mean this:

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Towser83

G.O.A.T.
In 2007, Federer was losing to Canas (twice) and Volandri.



Nadal's absolute best was from April to August 2008, winning 8 tournaments in 4 months. Going into his US Open semi final, he had won 53 of his last 55 matches.

True he did lose to Canas twice and Volandri, which is why I say 2007 was a slight downturn from 2006, but 2008 seemed to carry on that downturn.

Now, I don't want to have a go at Nadal, but that 4 month period, well it amuses me that some Nadal fans laugh at the idea that Federer was declining at 27-ish after 4 years of dominance, but many people claim Nadal's own prime lasted 4 months. And then anytime he didn't play like this is him playing below himself, like that's his normal level.

I understand that's probably the best he's played consisitantly, but I would say that's a streak, a purple patch. His prime has to stretch for something like a year, so it can be the whole of 2008 (with those 4 months being the highlight, such as Novak's 2001 probably being his prime with the first 4 months being the highlight) or it can be over a longer period, like 2008-2010, or 2005-2010... whatever. But 4 months is too narrow a time period for me to say that was his prime and everything before was pre-prime and everything after was post prime.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Federer until 2010 atleast was very good. This nonsense of him being a crickety old man already at 26, is even more ridiculous than those who say Nadal is fading at 25 (keep in mind as we always reminded by ****s Nadal was an early bloomer, Federer was a super late bloomer which explains away all his defeats until turning 23). Federer from 2008-January 2010 reached the finals of 8 of 9 slams, winning 4 of them. In 2010 he won Australian Open, WTF, Cincinnati Masters, reached 2 other Masters finals, had match points to be in the U.S Open final.

He only faded slightly and the competition had gotten alot stronger than just facing Hewitt, Roddick, mid 30s Agassi, or sometimes Baghdatis, Gonzalez, washed up Philippoussis in virtually every Australian, Wimbledon, and U.S Open final. Instead the two pigeons Hewitt and Roddick were replaced with Nadal and Djokovic, needless to say an enormous upgrade, while the likes of regular top 5 and sometimes top 3 players of the Federer era such as Blake and Ljubicic were replaced by people like Murray and Soderling. This year, and starting last year after Australia, is the first time he truly regressed alot.

Federer wasn't a rickety old man in 2008, but he was declining a bit. I don't see what's the problem with this, 2004, 2005 and 2006 were years of extremely high play from Federer in which he won a hell of a lot, no way you can keep this up forever - in truth it's more a mental issue than a physical one. 2007 was a slight dip which continued in 2008. He was still very good, but against someone like Nadal who was himself improving a bit each year, Federer needed to be at his best or near enough. In 2007 Federer was near his best at Wimbledon (apart from a few mental cracks) and Nadal was not as confident as he was in 2008 - that's all it took for 2 years to produce different results) As Nadal got a fraction better, Federer got a fraction worse - still able to play well, but less consistant and more prone to lapses of concentration.

In terms of competition, guys like Hewitt, Roddick, Safin and Nalbandian get less credit than they deserve and might have won much more had Federer not destroyed them so often. Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro, Murray are of course a step up (dunno if you can say this about Soderling) but firstly thay have responded to the level Federer was playing at (Djokovic has had to raise his game massively to topple Federer and Nadal - he wouldn't be playing this good without them as a benchmark).

Secondly if we look closely we actually see that Federer has had to play Djokovic in a slam more times than Nadal has, and has the same amount of wins over him as Nadal. Overall he has a slightly bigger lead over Djokovic in H2H than Nadal has. This year he's played him more in slams and desepite nearing the end of his career, he's beaten Djokovic in a slam this year where Nadal hasn't.

Federer has also played Del Potro more times in a slam and has a better H2H against him.

Federer also has not lost a set to Murray in slam meetings, Nadal has lost 2 matches to Murray in slams and their first match in a slam where Murray was pretty inexperienced went to 5 sets.

If we talk about Soderling, Federer has also has a 5-1 H2H in slams (16-1 overall) first of those slam meetings in 2008.

So it's not exactly as if Federer couldn't hold his own against these new guys because he's done pretty well even in the later stages of his career. The only one to give him big problems is Nadal. But most of these other new "strong" players he's faced as many times as Nadal has and done at least as well against them.
 

jackson vile

G.O.A.T.
True he did lose to Canas twice and Volandri, which is why I say 2007 was a slight downturn from 2006, but 2008 seemed to carry on that downturn.

Now, I don't want to have a go at Nadal, but that 4 month period, well it amuses me that some Nadal fans laugh at the idea that Federer was declining at 27-ish after 4 years of dominance, but many people claim Nadal's own prime lasted 4 months. And then anytime he didn't play like this is him playing below himself, like that's his normal level.

I understand that's probably the best he's played consisitantly, but I would say that's a streak, a purple patch. His prime has to stretch for something like a year, so it can be the whole of 2008 (with those 4 months being the highlight, such as Novak's 2001 probably being his prime with the first 4 months being the highlight) or it can be over a longer period, like 2008-2010, or 2005-2010... whatever. But 4 months is too narrow a time period for me to say that was his prime and everything before was pre-prime and everything after was post prime.

The big hiccup in that argument is that Federer had a great year 2009, we Nadal is absent. USO that year was a bit strange where Federer was winning but ended up with the loss in some way similar to 2011.

No one can argue, claiming that Federer was playing his best tennis ever though.


As a result, if Novak is a now show or no go in 2012 and Nadal does well we can then apply the a similar argument.
 
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