How much does owning the GOAT help one's place in history?

[Deleted member 307496]

I agree, owning a 4-5 ranked 1-2 slam winner is hardly that big of a deal.

I will be nice and say Federer would win 3 slams in the 90s.

 

[zagor]

I will be nice and say Federer would win 3 slams in the 90s.

Too late for that now, it's 0-2 slams and 3-6 ranking.

It's nice that I can bring this up whenever you post BS about being a Fed fan

Thanks for that.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Too late for that now, it's 0-2 slams and 3-6 ranking.

It's nice that I can bring this up whenever you post BS about being a Fed fan

Thanks for that.

Where did I say I was a fan of Federer?

 

[zagor]

Where did I say I was a fan of Federer?

Interesting, do you deny you claimed you were a Fed fan?

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Interesting, do you deny you claimed you were a Fed fan?

I haven't claimed anything. I am merely asking a question in regard to my opinion of Federer, which you seem to have the wrong idea of. I could easily be a fan of Federer and realize (through smart reasoning) that the mental aspect of his game could diminish slightly (or significantly) if he, himself realized that there was more competition in the 90s. Federer was known to be a bit of a headcase in his very early years on tour and I am taking that into account with that final outcome.

 

[zagor]

I haven't claimed anything.

Well, did you claim you were a fan or not?

Ah, I'll stop toying with you, you did:

No, because he's not a mug. He has won a great deal on tour and is the best French Open player in the history of the open era. He's clearly one of the best, even if I am a "fan" of Federer, I can admit he's an extremely talented player.

You obviously don't read the entirety of my posts. I am a fan of all the top four, but prefer Federer over the others.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=7045441

I am merely asking a question in regard to my opinion of Federer, which you seem to have the wrong idea of.

Oh, no I have an excellent idea regarding your opinion of Fed

I could easily be a fan of Federer and realize (through smart reasoning)...

And I could easily (through smart reasoning) come to the definite conclusion that no Fed fan, heck no one who doesn't harbour an intense dislike for Fed would claim he would have won 0-2 slams and achieved 3-6 ranking in the 90s.

P.S. Sampras was also a headcase early in his career despite his 1990 USO win and I won't even go into the list of major headcases that reached higher ranking than #3 in the 90s.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Ignore this post.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Well, did you claim you were a fan or not?

Ah, I'll stop toying with you, you did:





http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=7045441




Oh, no I have an excellent idea regarding your opinion of Fed





And I could easily (through smart reasoning) come to the definite conclusion that no Fed fan, heck no one who doesn't harbour an intense dislike for Fed would claim he would have won 0-2 slams and achieved 3-6 ranking in the 90s.

P.S. Sampras was also a headcase early in his career despite his 1990 USO win and I won't even go into the list of major headcases that reached higher ranking than #3 in the 90s.

It's hilarious how you conveniently forgot to leave out that you accused me of being a Federer fan in the first quote, and that is why I have (fan) in quotation marks.

Yes, I am a fan of all the top four, and I do prefer Federer over the others but he isn't my favorite player. It's actually Wawrinka right now.

Oh, no I have an excellent idea regarding your opinion of Fed

Clearly you don't.

And I could easily (through smart reasoning) come to the definite conclusion that no Fed fan, heck no one who doesn't harbour an intense dislike for Fed would claim he would have won 0-2 slams and achieved 3-6 ranking in the 90s.

P.S. Sampras was also a headcase early in his career despite his 1990 USO win and I won't even go into the list of major headcases that reached higher ranking than #3 in the 90s.

Irrelevant. I am entitled to my opinion and you disputing it in a thread that has nothing to do with the original topic is undoubtedly wrong.

Now I know why ignore lists are so popular here.

 

[zagor]

It's hilarious how you conveniently forgot to leave out that you accused me of being a Federer fan in the first quote, and that is why I have (fan) in quotation marks.

I never accused you (and never will, rest assured) of being a Fed fan .

Yes, I am a fan of all the top four, and I do prefer Federer over the others but he isn't my favorite player. It's actually Wawrinka right now.

Well someone might buy that, I certainly don't (not in the slightest).

As you would say, I'm entitled to my opinion.

Clearly you don't.

Oh but I do.

Irrelevant. I am entitled to my opinion and you disputing it in a thread that has nothing to do with the original topic is a wrong course of action.

Is it irrelevant? This topic is about much Nadal's H2H against Fed increase his standing compared to other all time tennis greats, if he's owning someone of Rusedski/Bjorkman ability, it certainly doesn't amount to much.

Now I know why ignore lists are so popular here.

Oh, by all means.

 

[Feather]

Well, did you claim you were a fan or not?

Ah, I'll stop toying with you, you did:





http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=7045441




Oh, no I have an excellent idea regarding your opinion of Fed






And I could easily (through smart reasoning) come to the definite conclusion that no Fed fan, heck no one who doesn't harbour an intense dislike for Fed would claim he would have won 0-2 slams and achieved 3-6 ranking in the 90s.

P.S. Sampras was also a headcase early in his career despite his 1990 USO win and I won't even go into the list of major headcases that reached higher ranking than #3 in the 90s.

Nice posts Zagor, you always have a great knack in picking pseudo fans of Federer. It's funny they pretend like this.

 

[Feddy Kruegerer]

Nice posts Zagor, you always have a great knack in picking pseudo fans of Federer. It's funny they pretend like this.

Zagor is like a Voight-Kampff machine for fake Federer fans.

 

[jg153040]

Lol zagor was hilarious. Like a gestapo detective interrogating those double agents (Fed haters pretending to be Fed fans to infiltrate our mists and deflate Federer's greatness).

Nice job zagor, it is great we have you.

 

[THE FIGHTER]

Would Sampras have been considered the GOAT if Agassi had a 20-10 H2H with him?

would their slam count remain the same? 14 is still greater than 8. even if they played each other an additional 26 times in smaller tournaments, all going in favor of agassi, sampras would still be greater if the slam count remained the same.

hypothetically, if the records were switched and sampras had 8 slams and agassi had 14, but sampras held on to a winning head to head, agassi would appear to have the better place in history, despite the head to head.

 

[Feddy Kruegerer]

would their slam count remain the same? 14 is still greater than 8. even if they played each other an additional 26 times in smaller tournaments, all going in favor of agassi, sampras would still be greater if the slam count remained the same.

hypothetically, if the records were switched and sampras had 8 slams and agassi had 14, but sampras held on to a winning head to head, agassi would appear to have the better place in history, despite the head to head.

Being greater than Agassi (or being the better player) is completely different from being the GOAT. I'm not sure where I stand on this one, but I find the inability to respond to your main threat a very big blemish in GOAT considerations.

 

[Sid_Vicious]

Nice posts Zagor, you always have a great knack in picking pseudo fans of Federer. It's funny they pretend like this.

True, but Sabratha did not need any picking out. He has been BSing for almost an year now.

 

[THE FIGHTER]

Being greater than Agassi (or being the better player) is completely different from being the GOAT. I'm not sure where I stand on this one, but I find the inability to respond to your main threat a very big blemish in GOAT considerations.

in that example, i was referring to being the greater player in relation to tennis history (who can be more closely considered the GOAT), sorry i didn't distinguish that.

pre-fed, i would say sampras would have been one of the prime candidates for GOAT-hood. so i guess i was referring to 2005/2006, near the end of agassi's career. if the two slam counts remained the same, Sampras would still be standing in a better spot in the all time greats list, even if agassi were to hypothetically have a dominating lead in their head to head.