How Much To Weigh?

zorg

Professional
If you are about 5' 10" and you want to have a pretty lean (but with some muscle) body type, like Federer, about how much should you weigh? I say Federer because I think he has the perfect body type for tennis: thin, with the right muscle built up. I wouldn't want to be like a Nadal, even though some people would, because I think thats just too much. So, about how much is that for a 5'10" guy? I am thinking like 165, but want to check. Thanks.
 

LameTennisPlayer

Professional
im about the same height as you, and although BMI tests say 69-72kg are recommended i find that around 76-78kg with lean muscle mass, i feel good and strong to play good tennis. You have to remember that not everyone's bones weigh the same, if i were you, ill just play at a weight that you feel comfortable in....dont be too concerned about BMI etc especially if you have lean muscle mass as it weights more....i think fed is about 6'2 with 85kg's
 
It becomes very hard to give exact weight recommendations as different people have different size bone and muscle mass even without working out. But clealy Fed does work out, and has considerable strength from those workouts even though he clearly is not as heavily "muscled" as Rafa. But looking on the web, I see at least one report that Fed weighs 188 lbs. and Nadal 190 lbs. Others report Roger as low as 177.

So I would LTP's advise above and not be too worried about an exact weight, even though 165 pounds for you may not be far off.

But if you want to improve your tennis game, being even more fit from lifting will not give you big muscles unless you really keep at it religiously for an extended period of time. Lifting will give you considerable strength gains before it will give you bulk, and that is the path I'm sure Roger has chosen.

So by not lifting you can still have considerable fat and still be 165 pounds, or you could be a lean, strong 165 pounds with a reasonable strength program alternating with some High Intensity Interval Training and agility drills.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704762904575025313433081780.html
 
It becomes very hard to give exact weight recommendations as different people have different size bone and muscle mass even without working out. But clealy Fed does work out, and has considerable strength from those workouts even though he clearly is not as heavily "muscled" as Rafa. But looking on the web, I see at least one report that Fed weighs 188 lbs. and Nadal 190 lbs. Others report Roger as low as 177.

So I would LTP's advise above and not be too worried about an exact weight, even though 165 pounds for you may not be far off.

But if you want to improve your tennis game, being even more fit from lifting will not give you big muscles unless you really keep at it religiously for an extended period of time. Lifting will give you considerable strength gains before it will give you bulk, and that is the path I'm sure Roger has chosen.

So by not lifting you can still have considerable fat and still be 165 pounds, or you could be a lean, strong 165 pounds with a reasonable strength program alternating with some High Intensity Interval Training and agility drills.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704762904575025313433081780.html
Yep. This fear of Ronnie Coleman syndrome from benching 135 has got to stop. If you want to bulk up, you've got to eat like it. So unless you eat in a surplus, you won't get too big from weights. Of course, your strength gains will not come anywhere near as easily as the gallon of milk per day lifters. :)
 

r2473

Talk Tennis Guru
I wouldn't want to be like a Nadal, even though some people would, because I think thats just too much.
Nadal is just a mountain of muscle:



As is Roger.



Roger does have about the perfect tennis build IMHO however
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
You want to weigh enough to move fast, double back, hit the ball hard, and last a while doing it.
For some, at 5'10", that's 135lbs...... BruceLee at his prime.
For other's, easily 210.... FrankGore of the 49'ers.
So it depends.
 
OP, Nadal is not big by any stretch of the imagination. He has above average arms, at least for a tennis player, and a low BF%. That's it.

If you really think he's big, and know that he's one of the quickest players on tour, how can you think that his build is "too much"?
 

FastFreddy

Semi-Pro
Height and weight

You want to weigh enough to move fast, double back, hit the ball hard, and last a while doing it.
For some, at 5'10", that's 135lbs...... BruceLee at his prime.
For other's, easily 210.... FrankGore of the 49'ers.
So it depends.
Bruce was more like 5'6-5'7 150-160 all muscle.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Hard for me to tell at the time.
Back around '65, he visited the ChineseRecCenter in ChinatownSF, and he was much taller than my 5'6" and 120. He seemed as tall as my brother, at 5'10" and 150, but Bruce was a lot leaner, and much more muscles, of course.
Chuck Norris is 5'9" and a little. Bruce and him are close.
That stocky Chinese muscleman, the bad guy, is around 5'9". Seems similar to Bruce.
That was almost 45 years ago, so I can't really say exact heights.
 

FastFreddy

Semi-Pro
Chuck was 5'10 and Bruce was 5' 7 1/2 but most people gave him 5'8. Chuck is now 70 and is aleast 1 to 1.5 inches shorter. He is like rocky wearing shoe lifts.
 

ALten1

Rookie
Hard for me to tell at the time.
Back around '65, he visited the ChineseRecCenter in ChinatownSF, and he was much taller than my 5'6" and 120. He seemed as tall as my brother, at 5'10" and 150, but Bruce was a lot leaner, and much more muscles, of course.
Chuck Norris is 5'9" and a little. Bruce and him are close.
That stocky Chinese muscleman, the bad guy, is around 5'9". Seems similar to Bruce.
That was almost 45 years ago, so I can't really say exact heights.
Is the 'Chinese muscleman' you are talking about the one that was in Bloodsport with Jean Claude Van Dam

I would have thought Bruce Lee was at best 5'5' 130 lbs, but I never met the guy.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Remember when Bruce "battled" Chucky in that Dragon movie? Same height.
Chuck is a middleweight, around just over 5'9" and his weight class includes 165lbs.
Yes, that muscle guy who loves to snort and smile.
I was 5'6" as a senior, or barely that height, and Bruce towered over me....besides intimadating too.....
 

FastFreddy

Semi-Pro
Height

Remember when Bruce "battled" Chucky in that Dragon movie? Same height.
Chuck is a middleweight, around just over 5'9" and his weight class includes 165lbs.
Yes, that muscle guy who loves to snort and smile.
I was 5'6" as a senior, or barely that height, and Bruce towered over me....besides intimadating too.....
I seen a pic from that movie Bruce and Chuck are standing side by side Chuck is a good inch inch and half taller than Bruce.
 

Vyse

Semi-Pro
I read that Lee got to 160 but felt that hindered his ability in martial arts because he was too big so he dropped back down to 135 which is where he was promarily at.
 

FastFreddy

Semi-Pro
Size

I read that Lee got to 160 but felt that hindered his ability in martial arts because he was too big so he dropped back down to 135 which is where he was promarily at.
That sound right I bet he used some roids and got up to 160. Once he stopped he went back down to 135 pounds.
 
If you are about 5' 10" and you want to have a pretty lean (but with some muscle) body type, like Federer, about how much should you weigh? I say Federer because I think he has the perfect body type for tennis: thin, with the right muscle built up. I wouldn't want to be like a Nadal, even though some people would, because I think thats just too much. So, about how much is that for a 5'10" guy? I am thinking like 165, but want to check. Thanks.
i am 17 and have been lifting for quite a while (but only about 6-7 months really seriously) and i can tell right now you WILL see improvements in your game alot of it will come from not being injured as much, but your shots will gain a little zip to them as well. i can also say that its very hard to look like nadal you wont gain that quick it just doesnt happen....naturally that is.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Yeah, Bruce got chubby with the good life, lots of $$$$, and good fun.
Notice his height comparison with JohnSaxon. John was easy 5'10", and just taller than Bruce, but much heavier and slower.
The 5'7" guys are JetLi and JackieChan.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
I thought it was a co-existing alternate plane, that we slip into once in a while, while discussing OP's thread.....
 

Itagaki

Semi-Pro
So back on topic, these estimates came from stronglifts.com in the article regarding GOMAD

"No matter what your body fat is. You should weigh at least 1kg for each cm above 1m. Anything less you’ll always look skinny. Some goal weights depending on your height:

* 1m70/5″7″ at least 70kg/154lbs
* 1m75/5″9″ at least 75kg/165lbs
* 1m80/5″11″ at least 80kg/176lbs
* 1m85/6″1″ at least 85kg/187lbs
* 1m90/6″3″ at least 90kg/200lbs
"
so according to these estmiations, at 5'10 165, you're pretty close to the corresponding weight, maybe 4-5 lbs under weight, which is probably fine for the purposes of tennis
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Hey DJ..... !!
I'd assume most amongst us would consider BruceLee in his prime in pretty good shape....good enough for most athletics, right?
So we're argueing what exactly did he weigh in his prime, and what his height was. I say, in the movies, 5'9" and 138 lbs.
Notice I also mentioned a fellar by the name of FrankGore, the 49'ers running back. He's 5'9" and 210 lbs., just about right for his build and his sport, which is not hitting little yellow tennis balls.
And for the strongman contests, there's a couple of fellars right around 5'10" and 320 lbs., just about average for those contests.
Meaning.....different weights for different builds for different sports.
Tennis, you can be 5'10" and 135 right on up to 240, and be effective up to your best level. Pro's, under 500, would narrow it down to 140 to 220 lbs.
 

ALten1

Rookie
So back on topic, these estimates came from stronglifts.com in the article regarding GOMAD

"No matter what your body fat is. You should weigh at least 1kg for each cm above 1m. Anything less you’ll always look skinny. Some goal weights depending on your height:

* 1m70/5″7″ at least 70kg/154lbs
* 1m75/5″9″ at least 75kg/165lbs
* 1m80/5″11″ at least 80kg/176lbs
* 1m85/6″1″ at least 85kg/187lbs
* 1m90/6″3″ at least 90kg/200lbs
"
so according to these estmiations, at 5'10 165, you're pretty close to the corresponding weight, maybe 4-5 lbs under weight, which is probably fine for the purposes of tennis
I can only comment on the 6'3"/200lbs...that sounds skinny to me.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
"STUDIES" as usual, mean pure BULLSH.T !!
This one focuses on body fat. Doesn't account for build. BS BS
Wide bodied 5'10" guys would average 190 lbs.
Stick bodied 5.10" guys would average 145 lbs.
SAME BODY FAT!
 

Itagaki

Semi-Pro
"STUDIES" as usual, mean pure BULLSH.T !!
This one focuses on body fat. Doesn't account for build. BS BS
Wide bodied 5'10" guys would average 190 lbs.
Stick bodied 5.10" guys would average 145 lbs.
SAME BODY FAT!
what study?
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
I'd guess that qualifies you somewhere in the higher side of middleweight for your height.
For us, most important, can you run and retrieve on the tennis court as well as you want?
I mentioned FrankGore, at our height, at 215 lean. He probably moves better than anyone 50 lbs. lighter or heavier.
 

FastFreddy

Semi-Pro
Weight

I'd guess that qualifies you somewhere in the higher side of middleweight for your height.
For us, most important, can you run and retrieve on the tennis court as well as you want?
I mentioned FrankGore, at our height, at 215 lean. He probably moves better than anyone 50 lbs. lighter or heavier.
Who is Frank Gore, I did play my best tennis at 215 super lean. I played my best hockey at 196 I was faster at 185 but I got pushed around sometimes. Once I made it to 196 I keep my speed and did not get pushed around. I started doing the pushing around.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Read latest post # 21.
Since I'm from SanFrancisco originally, any RB is still within my sight.
Good you can push people around at 215.
I seem OK with 147, never needing more weight. Maybe more practice to play a higher level, but not more power.
Now a declining 4.0, I"m 61, and will never blind anyone with my blazing speed and superior movement.
 

ALten1

Rookie
And can military press widen your shoulders?
I don't know if presses can widen your shoulders. I think the presses will add size to your shoulders therefore making them look wider.

Going from your teens into your twenties will widen your shoulders.
 

FastFreddy

Semi-Pro
Weight

Read latest post # 21.
Since I'm from SanFrancisco originally, any RB is still within my sight.
Good you can push people around at 215.
I seem OK with 147, never needing more weight. Maybe more practice to play a higher level, but not more power.
Now a declining 4.0, I"m 61, and will never blind anyone with my blazing speed and superior movement.
Tennis at 215 I never got over powered I hit a very heavy ball. I only get beat by better players never got hit off the court. I never played hockey at 215 my friend played at 215 and was 5'10 and was faster than me I was 180 I am pretty sure he was doing roids.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Hmm....
I'm just over 5'10" and 147 lbs. Have been pushed off the court by 6.0's who were my height and weight. Have been pushed off the court by 5.5's slightly shorter than me, my weight. Have been pushed off the court by rising 4.5's 2" shorter than me and 140 lbs.
But then, I claim a realistic 4.0 for myself.
 

FastFreddy

Semi-Pro
Meaning

Hmm....
I'm just over 5'10" and 147 lbs. Have been pushed off the court by 6.0's who were my height and weight. Have been pushed off the court by 5.5's slightly shorter than me, my weight. Have been pushed off the court by rising 4.5's 2" shorter than me and 140 lbs.
But then, I claim a realistic 4.0 for myself.
I should of said overpowered because I played someone who just came off the tour they would push me off the court with placement, shot slection, never miss, match experience and depth not power or pace of shot.
 
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