How Rafael Nadal's Retirement Completed The Devolution Of Tennis!

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ALRIGHT guys get ready now, we have all been told relentlessly by the tennis media propaganda machine that tennis is "always evolving" but the cold hard mathematical objective truth is that with the official retirement of Rafael Nadal on November 19, 2024, the decades long devolution of tennis was finally unfortunately completed because Rafael Nadal became the first all-time great ever in tennis history to retire with all DOMINANT head-to-heads against all of his nextgen slam-winning competitors who are ten years older or more. What is even more truly concerning for the complete devolution of tennis is that Rafael Nadal will hold dominant head-to-heads against the supposed next "all-time greats" of carlos alcaraz and jannik sinner FOR ETERNITY because Rafael Nadal unfortunately AIN'T COMING BACK to professional tennis.

Thus, for the first time EVER in the entirety of tennis history, all of the nextgen slam-winning tennis players like jannik alcaraz, carlos alcaraz, and daniil medvedev including slam finalists like alexander zverev and stefanos tsitsipas can win further slams without ever properly dethroning their preceding all-time great(s) via a dominant head-to-head which is a HUGE PROBLEM for tennis because every single TRUE all-time great in tennis history who won six grand slams or more who actually evolved tennis successfully dethroned with DOMINANT head-to-heads or at the very least with a completely even head-to-head all previous ten years older or more all-time greats who won six grand slams or more who had come before them. All of this means that tennis for the very first time EVER in tennis history has actually truly DEVOLVED.

Now before anyone comes in to say that "buh buh buh rafael nadal did not play long enough for the nextgen players to properly gain dominant head-to-heads against him", the FACT is that the nextgen slam-winning players like carlos alcaraz and jannik sinner had ALL THEIR CHANCES to truly dethrone the older all-time great of Rafael Nadal who played professional tennis for over TWO DECADES but COMPLETELY FAILED so there are NO EXCUSES for the nextgen especially for carlos alcaraz and jannik sinner who when presented with the chance to truly show that they are TRUE all-time greats who can actually evolve tennis through a dominant head-to-head with the older all-time great of Rafael Nadal COMPLETELY LET IT SLIP which has finally now led to the COMPLETE DEVOLUTION OF TENNIS!
 
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messiahrobins said:
Nobody has been better than Alcaraz at the same age. That is fact
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Once again nope, completely unlike both carlos alcaraz and jannik sinner, no true all-time great has ever held a completely eternal losing head-to-head to a more than ten years older true all-time great like rafael nadal who is both fifteen years older than jannik sinner and seventeen years older than carlos alcaraz which is a FACT that you and anyone else can never ever do a single thing about ever.
 
messiahrobins said:
Alcaraz currently the greatest ever at his age. End thread.
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Nah. Not better than Nadal.

Nadal had a massive clay winning streak of 81 wins in a row at age 18-20, and by his 22nd birthday had won 11 masters and 26 tournament wins overall. Nadal won a 4th major soon after his 22nd birthday, the only stat where Nadal is behind Alcaraz, but Nadal had lost two Wimbledon finals to Federer already, and Nadal would beat Federer in the 2008 Wimbledon final when Nadal was at age 22 years and 1 month to win his 5th major. Alcaraz's 22nd birthday is 5 May 2025, and he currently has 5 masters and 17 tournaments overall, and 4 majors.

Nadal's April 2008 to August 2008, and January 2009 to May 2009, are possibly his best streaks of amazing form, so if Alcaraz goes into a slump now he is going to be left for dust in the age to age comparisons with Nadal.
 
Mustard said:
Nah. Not better than Nadal.

Nadal had a massive clay winning streak of 81 wins in a row at age 18-20, and by his 22nd birthday had won 11 masters and 26 tournament wins overall. Nadal won a 4th major soon after his 22nd birthday, the only stat where Nadal is behind Alcaraz, but Nadal had lost two Wimbledon finals to Federer already, and Nadal would beat Federer in the 2008 Wimbledon final when Nadal was at age 22 years and 1 month to win his 5th major. Alcaraz's 22nd birthday is 5 May 2025, and he currently has 5 masters and 17 tournaments overall, and 4 majors.

Nadal's April 2008 to August 2008, and January 2009 to May 2009, are possibly his best streaks of amazing form, so if Alcaraz goes into a slump now he is going to be left for dust in the age to age comparisons with Nadal.
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Plus Nadal had better kits ;)

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How Rafael Nadal's Retirement Completed The Devolution Of Tennis!​

With all due respect, I think that that is a selfish claim there given that there are some awesome young tennis players shaping up the sport as we speak.
 
The last match between Nadal and Sinner was over two years before the Italian made his first slam semifinal. With Alcaraz he got a good win in Indian Wells 2022 but Alcaraz returned the favor in Madrid a few weeks later. So not much to see here.
 
BauerAlmeida said:
The last match between Nadal and Sinner was over two years before the Italian made his first slam semifinal. With Alcaraz he got a good win in Indian Wells 2022 but Alcaraz returned the favor in Madrid a few weeks later. So not much to see here.
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No, no true all-time great has ever had completely losing head-to-heads like what both carlos alcaraz and jannik sinner have with rafael nadal so we need to seriously finally completely stop making completely endless excuses for those who completely underperform.
 
Tennis Devolution said:
No, no true all-time great has ever had completely losing head-to-heads like what both carlos alcaraz and jannik sinner have with rafael nadal so we need to seriously finally completely stop making completely endless excuses for those who completely underperform.
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Plenty of ATG had losing H2H against older players precisely because they faced them when they were too young.

For instance, Nadal himself has a losing 3-1 H2H with Dominic Hrbaty because he faced him as a kid and then Hrbaty started declining and losing early and then retired so Nadal didn't have the chance to turn it around. Obviously, Nadal would have turned that around.
 
Tennis Devolution said:
No, I was stating that unfortunately for both jannik sinner and carlos alcaraz, rafael nadal AIN'T COMING BACK.
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I'm certain their achievements won't suffer because of Nadal. Sinner has enough problems as it is with positive tests, which won't look great at all in his CV and that's an understatement (even moreso considering WTA #1 also tested positive in the same season), and Alcaraz was like 19 last time they played, so that's not on him.
 
BauerAlmeida said:
The last match between Nadal and Sinner was over two years before the Italian made his first slam semifinal. With Alcaraz he got a good win in Indian Wells 2022 but Alcaraz returned the favor in Madrid a few weeks later. So not much to see here.
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there isn't but it means everything to OP which says a lot...about him, not tennis
 
BauerAlmeida said:
Plenty of ATG had losing H2H against older players precisely because they faced them when they were too young.

For instance, Nadal himself has a losing 3-1 H2H with Dominic Hrbaty because he faced him as a kid and then Hrbaty started declining and losing early and then retired so Nadal didn't have the chance to turn it around. Obviously, Nadal would have turned that around.
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Nope, no true all-time great who has won six grand slams or more in the open era has ever had a losing head-to-head against a more than ten years older true all-time great who has won six grand slams or more in the open era.

Nope, the head-to-head between dominic hrbaty and rafael nadal is completely mathematically insignificant because dominic hrbaty is absolutely not ever a true all-time great who has won six grand slams or more in the open era.
 
Biotic said:
I'm certain their achievements won't suffer because of Nadal. Sinner has enough problems as it is with positive tests, which won't look great at all in his CV and that's an understatement (even moreso considering WTA #1 also tested positive in the same season), and Alcaraz was like 19 last time they played, so that's not on him.
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Once again nope, no true all-time great has ever had completely losing head-to-heads like what both carlos alcaraz and jannik sinner have with rafael nadal so we need to seriously finally completely stop making completely endless excuses for those who completely underperform.
 
Tennis Devolution said:
Nope, no true all-time great who has won six grand slams or more in the open era has ever had a losing head-to-head against a more than ten years older true all-time great who has won six grand slams or more in the open era.
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Because you are clutching at straws. Why 10 years and not 8 or 12 or 6? Why 6 slams and not 8 or 4? There aren't many 6-slam winners and there aren't that many matches between them that involve an age gap of 10 or more years. So it's not surprising there aren't other examples. If you start adding more requirements it's normal that will happen, there aren't all-time greats who have a losing h2h against someone 15 years older who was born north of the Equator, have a one-handed backhand and played in a band when they were 15 and have a mother named Martha. Who cares.

Tennis Devolution said:
Nope, the head-to-head between dominic hrbaty and rafael nadal is completely mathematically insignificant because dominic hrbaty is absolutely not ever a true all-time great who has won six grand slams or more in the open era.
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It doesn't matter if Hrbaty is an ATG or not, the point is Nadal has a losing h2h because they didn't face enough times as they stopped playing before Nadal reached his best. If Hrbaty had won 15 slams before they started facing each other or not is irrelevant.
 
BauerAlmeida said:
Because you are clutching at straws. Why 10 years and not 8 or 12 or 6? Why 6 slams and not 8 or 4? There aren't many 6-slam winners and there aren't that many matches between them that involve an age gap of 10 or more years. So it's not surprising there aren't other examples. If you start adding more requirements it's normal that will happen, there aren't all-time greats who have a losing h2h against someone 15 years older who was born north of the Equator, have a one-handed backhand and played in a band when they were 15 and have a mother named Martha. Who cares.



It doesn't matter if Hrbaty is an ATG or not, the point is Nadal has a losing h2h because they didn't face enough times as they stopped playing before Nadal reached his best. If Hrbaty had won 15 slams before they started facing each other or not is irrelevant.
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Once again nope, you are completely wrong and you cannot ever counter anything that I ever say because the mathematical predictive pattern between true all-time greats who have won six grand slams or more emerges on its OWN at an age gap of more than 10 years between true all-time greats who have won six grand slams or more which has occurred in TEN different rivalries between true all-time greats who have won six grand slams or more involving more than fifty true changing of the guard matches all throughout the ENTIRETY of tennis history so thus both jannik sinner and carlos alcaraz cannot ever reach that universal absolute true all-time great standard which is a FACT that you and anyone else cannot ever do a single thing about ever.
 
Tennis Devolution said:
I love how the TRUTH really HURTS you so much!
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Didn't get past first few sentences of post before I checked out over the inanity of the idea.

Tennis is not 1 player.

I think you can't handle Nadal retirement. Sad. Life continues.

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bullfan said:
Didn't get past first few sentences of post before I checked out over the inanity of the idea.

Tennis is not 1 player.

I think you can't handle Nadal retirement. Sad. Life continues.

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I am so sorry but your completely argumentless inane nonsense cannot ever change the TRUTH which clearly completely HURTS you so much!
 
Tennis Devolution said:
Once again nope, you are completely wrong and you cannot ever counter anything that I ever say because the mathematical predictive pattern between true all-time greats who have won six grand slams or more emerges on its OWN at an age gap of more than 10 years between true all-time greats who have won six grand slams or more which has occurred in TEN different rivalries between true all-time greats who have won six grand slams or more involving more than fifty true changing of the guard matches all throughout the ENTIRETY of tennis history so thus both jannik sinner and carlos alcaraz cannot ever reach that universal absolute true all-time great standard which is a FACT that you and anyone else cannot ever do a single thing about ever.
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You seem under the impression that me or anyone else wants do something about it, but apparently, nobody cares.

Nobody argued it's a fact, it's just a POINTLESS AND IRRELEVANT fact.

It happened ten times? Show me the times when it happened where the guy 10 years younger or more played before being anywhere near his peak and was beating the other already established ATG when he wasn't finished.

The win Nadal got over Alcaraz in 2021 is completely irrelevant (Just like the ones he got over Sinner in 2021 or 2020). Just like Alcaraz or Sinner getting a win over Nadal in 2023 or 2024 would be completely irrelevant.

It's a statistical irrelevance that has no significance whatsoever. Tons of ATG didn't play other ATG 10 years older because the Big 3 did things in terms of longevity most players in the past 40 years or so didn't do.

Nadal and Sinner never faced each other at a point where both were relatively at a great level. Alcaraz and Nadal did twice, splitting wins.
 
BauerAlmeida said:
You seem under the impression that me or anyone else wants do something about it, but apparently, nobody cares.

Nobody argued it's a fact, it's just a POINTLESS AND IRRELEVANT fact.

It happened ten times? Show me the times when it happened where the guy 10 years younger or more played before being anywhere near his peak and was beating the other already established ATG when he wasn't finished.

The win Nadal got over Alcaraz in 2021 is completely irrelevant (Just like the ones he got over Sinner in 2021 or 2020). Just like Alcaraz or Sinner getting a win over Nadal in 2023 or 2024 would be completely irrelevant.

It's a statistical irrelevance that has no significance whatsoever. Tons of ATG didn't play other ATG 10 years older because the Big 3 did things in terms of longevity most players in the past 40 years or so didn't do.

Nadal and Sinner never faced each other at a point where both were relatively at a great level. Alcaraz and Nadal did twice, splitting wins.
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Once again NOPE, the only completely POINTLESS AND IRRELEVANT argumentless nonsense is all of the completely argumentless delusional nonsense that you keep completely argumentlessly delusionally spouting out.

NOPE, keep completely argumentlessly WHINING and CRYING ME A RIVER because OVER FIFTY true changing of the guard matches between true all-time greats separated by more than ten years of age have occurred between almost EVERY SINGLE true all-time throughout the ENTIRE HISTORY OF TENNIS which is COMPLETELY STATISTICALLY RELEVANT completely unlike your COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT garbage utter nonsense that cannot ever counter anything that I say by just completely argumentlessly spouting "buh buh buh I can't handle the truth ever so it's buh buh buh pointless right, wait NO, WAH!".

NOPE, it DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL what form the older or younger true all-time great was in because all true all-time greats have overcome their predecessors throughout ALL OF TENNIS HISTORY no matter the circumstance whether or not you like it my completely argumentless buddy so do everyone a BIG FAVOR and just completely accept THE TRUTH!
 
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Mustard said:
Nah. Not better than Nadal.

Nadal had a massive clay winning streak of 81 wins in a row at age 18-20, and by his 22nd birthday had won 11 masters and 26 tournament wins overall. Nadal won a 4th major soon after his 22nd birthday, the only stat where Nadal is behind Alcaraz, but Nadal had lost two Wimbledon finals to Federer already, and Nadal would beat Federer in the 2008 Wimbledon final when Nadal was at age 22 years and 1 month to win his 5th major. Alcaraz's 22nd birthday is 5 May 2025, and he currently has 5 masters and 17 tournaments overall, and 4 majors.

Nadal's April 2008 to August 2008, and January 2009 to May 2009, are possibly his best streaks of amazing form, so if Alcaraz goes into a slump now he is going to be left for dust in the age to age comparisons with Nadal.
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The crucial difference is Nadal was getting better, while Alcaraz is going backwards.
 
Tennis Devolution said:
Once again nope, completely unlike both carlos alcaraz and jannik sinner, no true all-time great has ever held a completely eternal losing head-to-head to a more than ten years older true all-time great like rafael nadal who is both fifteen years older than jannik sinner and seventeen years older than carlos alcaraz which is a FACT that you and anyone else can never ever do a single thing about ever.
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I was just going off the numbers as apparently thats all that matters, not contexxt.
 
messiahrobins said:
I was just going off the numbers as apparently thats all that matters, not contexxt.
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Nope, I am sorry to tell you but the achievements and numbers of both carlos alcaraz and jannik sinner do not ever matter at all ever when both carlos alcaraz and jannik sinner have completely eternally failed to overcome their predecessors with their completely eternal losing head-to-heads with rafael nadal.
 
Tennis Devolution said:
Nope, I am sorry to tell you but the achievements and numbers of both carlos alcaraz and jannik sinner do not ever matter at all ever when both carlos alcaraz and jannik sinner have completely eternally failed to overcome their predecessors with their completely eternal losing head-to-heads with rafael nadal.
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Context matters then? Cool, i can live with that
 
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