Discussion in 'Junior League & Tournament Talk' started by Number1Coach, Feb 1, 2013.
You mention exceptions not the rule?
Was Isner? Was Todd Martin?
Exactly! That's why this discussion is ridiculous.
Well, comparing two statements:
1/ Saying (insert players name) won't make a living on the pro tour is like saying he won't win the lottery
2/Saying (insert players name) will make a living on the pro tour is like saying he will win the lottery
Still #2 looks more likely to me.
One factor we are leaving out in development is coaching. Hard to believe that someone who never played, never picked up a racquet, had no interest in the sport until 12 years ago, is equal to coaching32yrs- who has spent thousands of hours on the court competing and is regarded by his peers as a classic tennis overachiever- great tennis mind woefully short on talent. Somehow the guy who never played understands tennis better? Makes no sense. There are levels, as in playing. Coaching 32 vs Jeff Salzenstein who played years on the pro tour, great thinker- he's light years ahead of coach32. Gilbert is ahead of Salzenstein. Yet a player whose coach never played, never picked up a racquet is fully developed? Explain.
makes no sense to you makes complete sense to me , just because you never played does not mean you cant master it and know it better then a lot of guys that have been teaching it 20 or 30 years , to me tennis is very simple to teach , half of what I really believe about how to build a player I never share with people and what I know is best I only work on in private with my player .
Let everyone do there own homework but I agree coaching is a huge part and thats why I take credit for what my player has done !
Things like credit and respect can't be taken or claimed. They are earned.
In most cases I have seen, those who try to take credit or claim respect end up losing more of it than they gain. I think we are seeing a real life example of that right here.
Why don't you just give your player all the credit and let it go at that. Isn't his success enough reward for you. Or do you really need to read posts you have written on a message board calling yourself the greatest coach to get full satisfaction from your boy's tennis
Not sure Coach. Uncle Toni drive Rafa like a maniac. Made Coach #1 look like tinkerbell. Rafa's parents wanted to stop it a few times. It's in Rafa's book. Also, I saw Rafa at age 17 with those bulging biceps. Would Rafa's talent blossomed with you or I? We are *****cats compared to Uncle Toni.
Joe Montana's peewee football coach won all those super bowls for Joe. And Uncle Toni hit every winner that earned Rafa a birth to the las petite finals vs gasquet as a young teen. Coaches play a part but please, kids win matches.
Maybe in your world ! In mine "reality" when people asked who built his forehand I say I did , I studied video ,I showed it to him ,he followed my instructions he has a nice forehand who gets credit me , when he goes out and win a match he gets credit he did the work out there , funny when he won Bornas coach came up shook my hand and said coach "you" did a great job with him then he went on and shook DB's hand and said great win , great fight !
so do I take credit sure why not ?
I don't call myself the greatest coach its Number1coach to you !
I get it. This is about you.
Yes ,your the first one to figure me out ,now your gonna have to hash it out with all the others on here who think I am just trying to get my kid publicity on the great TW blog !!!
I will ask my son to give me more credit for his tennis development. He only gave me 1% credit after he won four 3-setters in 2 days:cry:
Honestly, parents or parent-coaches can play more important role in our kids development than their coach, because we care more and we know more than any coach how our kids win, how they lose, what needs to be improved...
Basically what you say is true. You can mold a forehand, to an extent.
But can we say that Toni Nadal made Rafa?
Toni would propably answer 'yes', Rafa 'no' (depending who's asking) - who's more right?
(Rafa gives gredit to Toni, sure, and says without him impossible, and that's correct but that doesn't justify Toni's answer)
In a way I see this a cultural thing. Mr B thinks like japanese here
We're off topic. Can we get please get back to discussing the candy and cell phones.
Not sure that Futures are the next level. In a month, he turns 17 and ages up into the 18s. No more claims of "playing two age divisions up" at that point. He has two years in the 18s before aging out. Can he win a super-national USTA event in the 18s, or a comparable non-USTA (ITF) event? That would be a great indicator.
On the theory that you dominate at one level, then move on to the next level, has DB dominated at the 18s level?
He seems to be able to do well only in Mexico. How about the 16 yr old Aussie kid who played Fed Cup for US and reached the final of Jr AO?
Hope DB wins this or next year's Kalamazoo and earn a spot on US Open main draw
good question and from my view yes and no we only spend enough time to take care of the commitments to the sponsors ranking means product and then he reach as high as I believe 3 in the nation but once again we have never been in the jrs to dominate in the sense of playing jr event we know we will final in over and over ,
here in So. Cal he won plenty of finals in his respected age group , as for the 18's and our development we were more interested in seeing how he sized up ,strengths , weaknesses, looking for things we needed to work on for the next level . His semis at Clays and Winters round of 16 at the Zoo then quarters at the OB tells me enough at the age of 16 and had we attacked the age bracket with all we had he would dominate and be no. 1 , but that would show we were not after the right things we need to be.
Db played him a lot at IMG , DB won all three sets they played and beat him in most of there baseline games 3 out of 5 format to 11 , he is very quick though and his defense is solid .
yes we will play the Zoo to attempt to win the wildcard , why wouldn't you ?
You should know by now I don't follow the international guys as a lead , we have seen them up close and the only thing we have in common is the goal .
:twisted:, good one, once again a thread becomes a me me me me stream.
How much can u really say about candy and cell phones?? I would rather hear about DB and other juniors.
For the most part, it's a broken record.
I enjoy it. Its great to hear different peoples ideas on player development. TCF makes alot of good points and so does Brad.
What's funny is when he does have results you belittle them.
I agree with you , you need to win in tourneys but you have 2 guys who can do that DB and Yoshi but my point is that the futures are a little deceptive they are pro events but most of the level is like a Nat 2 and you will have a couple of guys that are solid ,, the one in TJ,Mex from what I was told was a weak field , I haven't check that yet , if so that would explains why a guy like Yoshi could blow right through it .
At the next level he will run into guys like DB "size" and who are a little more mature and there is where the roadblocks will pop up .
Once you get closer to this level "age"with your girl you will see this more clearly right now you just look at the stats which are a good measurement but not the end all .
So you are able to predict two 15-17 year olds who will beyond a shadow of a doubt make it. Congratulations, you're a true tennis clairvoyant.
So if a player does not develop at the ages you come up with, it won't work. I see, you've identified so many pro prospects before they were 15-17 who now make money, why don't you list them?
Same old broken record. Is there anything you're saying that has not been said? Same goes for Brad.
I will say if it was your daughter in the practice games you would see it different. You'll deny it, but you would. You tooted her horn about some great results in some local yocal tournament against 12 year olds. According to your book that means something. You tooted her horn about practicing with older players before, but did not say it did not matter.
You move the bar to suit your position.
Could you give us Djokes accomplishments through the Jrs and remember we never said we would have prodigy results in fact I believe I was clear we were not "LOOKING to dominate the jrs", TCF if we wanted no.1 we could get it but I am not stupid enough to chase points and spend the money and abandon development of his game , we showed up to OB and 3 guys ranked 300 to 400 spots ahead found out their ranking and their European championships did nothing for them.
Does he need to win yes and he will let him get his feet wet settle in and he will start taking care of business
Name a player you discovered before they were 15-17,who now makes money on the ATP/WTA. You have to prove it.
AndFor he does not get development or how this sport works over all ,DB rose as high as no.3 in the nation without a tournament win and trust me there have been so many college coaches who get what were doing and have made it clear they would love to have him but also have said we see where he can go so if we change our minds please let them know!
Then you take TCF's last player Carlos Boluda won Le Petite won it 2 x I think this was the kid , this was the Messiah , Db would crush that guy right now but once again TCF doesn't understand the "road" to going pro ,he has his own set way that it has to happen.
also Boluda was brought up on clay
he did pick Boluda and I believe he signed a 100,000 dollar deal with Addidas over 10 years which is 10,000 a year so thats at least 1
I still think DB has as good a shot as any other American boy. I think Brad has done an unbelievable job with Deit..I really think another voice in Deits ear with experience will be very beneficial at this point.
Yea^^^. He's belittled DB's results by saying stuff like the OB field was weak, but listing all the others will take too long.
Forgot about Boluda. He's probably all butt but about it. Thinks if that kid can't do it he's now some sort of expert saying no-else can. Explains everything.
I will say you two are the TT equivalent to Spy vs Spy. Y'all should stop. It's like watching two guys measure how high you can jack up your pick up trucks.
You congratulate his result and caveat them with a "but". You know it, everyone knows it. Very passive aggressive.
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