How the heck did Venus get direct entry into the Canadian open.

insideguy

Legend
Happens all the time, up to the tournament director. Venus has career accomplishments and will attract more spectators than Riske. If everything was reversed, Riske would have gotten it. Life is rarely fair.
I guess. I don't know I can see A WC. And I guess it does happen. I don't like It.
 

Raul_SJ

Legend
Venus gets in mainly due to her past wins; not her drawing power.
At this point I don't see Venus as really filling in seats. Serena, yes. But not Venus.
 

Tshooter

Legend
...That just is not fair.
:-D

If you win 5 W singles titles you'll get all the wildcards you want as well. And, yes, she still fills a lot more seats than most of the WTA Tour.

Bouchard WC (current ranking 112)
MPova WC (current ranking 82)
Leylah Annie Fernandez WC (current ranking 260)

Venus ranking is 56. Why did you single her out as the source of your distress instead of one of the other less highly ranked players that received a WC ?

 
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Tshooter

Legend
"Two WTA Wild Cards have been given to Maria Sharapova and Venus Williams. These are reserved for players who have previously been ranked No. 1 in the world, who were ranked in the Top 20 in 2018 or who have won a Grand Slam title, a WTA Finals title or a Premier Mandatory tournament during their career. Sharapova and Williams will definitely add to the star power in Toronto, with a combined 12 Grand Slam titles between the two players."

 
Edit. I see the poster above cited an article saying venus got a wc, but it's not listed in the draw sheet? Weird. I assumed she got direct in based on ranking from 6 weeks ago
Right. Riske was ranked a lot lower than she is now before she made a run to the Wimbledon quarter-finals.
 

MasturB

Legend
Tournament directors have a few wild cards they can get give out at their discretion.

It's usually:

A former champion/finalist that is coming back from injury and has gone even beyond the protected ranking status.
A former draw/ticket seller that is way past their prime but fans will still come out to see.
A local fan favorite that probably didn't get through qualies but again, a special wild card is given.
A player on the verge of retirement.

Lord knows how many wild cards Tommy Haas was getting on his retirement tour. I think he was given one at almost every tournament he asked for one.
 

Cashman

Professional
She is ranked 49th in the world. Riske is ranked 37th and she had to go through qualifiers. That just is not fair.
Of all the dodgy wildcards that get given out, this is one of the least questionable. Despite her ranking Venus is still the sixth highest earner on the WTA, and her profile is huge. Having her at the tournament is unquestionably a massive draw, and is exactly what wildcards are designed for.

If you want to see dodgy look at Miami, who have a long-earned reputation for giving out soft wildcards to players represented by the tournament's owner (IMG). This year they gave Mari Osaka a wildcard, despite the fact that she's ranked 300-odd and regularly gets embarrassed in qualifying. Guess who represents her little sister?

In fact, wildcard nepotism could make a thread all of its own. Marko Djokovic is perhaps the most hilarious example. He got something like 40 wildcards in a four year period - many of them to lucrative tournaments like Dubai - despite never being ranked above ~800.
 
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Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Tournament directors have a few wild cards they can get give out at their discretion.

It's usually:

A former champion/finalist that is coming back from injury and has gone even beyond the protected ranking status.
A former draw/ticket seller that is way past their prime but fans will still come out to see.
A local fan favorite that probably didn't get through qualies but again, a special wild card is given.
A player on the verge of retirement.

Lord knows how many wild cards Tommy Haas was getting on his retirement tour. I think he was given one at almost every tournament he asked for one.
They like Tommy. It would be really funny if Wimbledon gave Laver a wildcard for S&G's.
 
This is not a city league. This is the big leagues, where money come first, then entertainment, then tennis. Not surprising, nor wrong. It was the right decision on many levels.
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
I can't believe we are 15 posts in, and nobody has posted the right answer yet.

Venus was the last direct acceptance. She didn't need the wild card, even though one was originally going to be given to her. She got in directly after Kvitova (and 3 others) withdrew.


She is ranked 49th in the world. Riske is ranked 37th and she had to go through qualifiers. That just is not fair.
It's very simple. The entry lists are not based on current rankings, but rankings from six weeks ago (in this case, the rankings from June 24th, 2019).
At that time, Venus was ranked 44th and Riske was ranked 54th.


This kind of thing happens all the time (players who rise rapidly in the rankings being forced to play qualies)
 
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I can't believe we are 15 posts in, and nobody has posted the right answer yet.

Venus was the last direct acceptance. She didn't need the wild card, even though one was originally going to be given to her. She got in directly after Kvitova withdrew.



It's very simple. The entry lists are not based on current rankings, but rankings from weeks ago. In this case, the rankings from June 24th, 2019.
At that time, Venus was ranked 44th and Riske was ranked 54th.


This kind of thing happens all the time (players who rise rapidly in the rankings being forced to play qualies)
So like I said. :p
Not surprising, nor wrong. It was the right decision on many levels.
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
Edit. I see the poster above cited an article saying venus got a wc, but it's not listed in the draw sheet? Weird. I assumed she got direct in based on ranking from 6 weeks ago
She was going to get a WC, but ended up not needing it after a few players withdrew. She was originally the 4th alternate, but Muguruza, Wang, Vondrousova, and Kvitova withdrew, which ended up bumping Venus into the main draw

This is similar to how Heather Watson and Iga Swiatek were going to get WCs for Wimbledon, but withdrawals granted them direct entry anyway
 
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insideguy

Legend
:-D

If you win 5 W singles titles you'll get all the wildcards you want as well. And, yes, she still fills a lot more seats than most of the WTA Tour.

Bouchard WC (current ranking 112)
MPova WC (current ranking 82)
Leylah Annie Fernandez WC (current ranking 260)

Venus ranking is 56. Why did you single her out as the source of your distress instead of one of the other less highly ranked players that received a WC ?

She didn't get a wildcard she got direct entry. And I just noticed her rank thats why. I am sure it happens all the time. Bouchard got a wildcard so did dopey Sharapova. Wildcards are different. Venus got direct entry. Not that I like them giving Bouchard or Pova wildcards either.
 

insideguy

Legend
I can't believe we are 15 posts in, and nobody has posted the right answer yet.

Venus was the last direct acceptance. She didn't need the wild card, even though one was originally going to be given to her. She got in directly after Kvitova (and 3 others) withdrew.



It's very simple. The entry lists are not based on current rankings, but rankings from six weeks ago (in this case, the rankings from June 24th, 2019).
At that time, Venus was ranked 44th and Riske was ranked 54th.


This kind of thing happens all the time (players who rise rapidly in the rankings being forced to play qualies)
Hey that makes sense thank you!
 

insideguy

Legend
Of all the dodgy wildcards that get given out, this is one of the least questionable. Despite her ranking Venus is still the sixth highest earner on the WTA, and her profile is huge. Having her at the tournament is unquestionably a massive draw, and is exactly what wildcards are designed for.

If you want to see dodgy look at Miami, who have a long-earned reputation for giving out soft wildcards to players represented by the tournament's owner (IMG). This year they gave Mari Osaka a wildcard, despite the fact that she's ranked 300-odd and regularly gets embarrassed in qualifying. Guess who represents her little sister?

In fact, wildcard nepotism could make a thread all of its own. Marko Djokovic is perhaps the most hilarious example. He got something like 40 wildcards in a four year period - many of them to lucrative tournaments like Dubai - despite never being ranked above ~800.
She didn't get a wildcard that was my point but jm1980 answered my question.
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
I can't believe we are 15 posts in, and nobody has posted the right answer yet.

Venus was the last direct acceptance. She didn't need the wild card, even though one was originally going to be given to her. She got in directly after Kvitova (and 3 others) withdrew.



It's very simple. The entry lists are not based on current rankings, but rankings from six weeks ago (in this case, the rankings from June 24th, 2019).
At that time, Venus was ranked 44th and Riske was ranked 54th.


This kind of thing happens all the time (players who rise rapidly in the rankings being forced to play qualies)
I see way too many threads about this specific misunderstanding in general
 
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