How to beat Djokovic?

Djokovic is consistently performing well these days.
Has anyone thought about any strategy to beat djokovic?
Here is what I think. You can post your ideas in addition to the ones below:
This can be useful for any player, not only Nadal or Federer.
Djokovic game is based on three major things.
A. He anticipates the opponent shots and gets ready to hit it away from opponent.
B. He always tries to put the ball away from where the opponent is standing.
C. Try and Return every ball to the other side of the court.

In order to neutralize the above, the opponent needs to do the same except point A.

Solutions:
1. Always hit the ball away from him. If the shot has to be hit to the same place, do not do it more than 2 or 3 consecutive times. Strangely Nadal most of the times Nadal hits where djokovic stands, giving djokovic full control.
2. Attack forehand instead of backhand.
3. Hit the shot with more depth
4. Hit flat as djokovic will have less time to anticipate and implement point A (This is where Federer gains a lot and Nadal loses, as Nadals loopy shots gives djokovic enough time to get ready)
5.Try to come to center at the baseline after hitting the shot.
6. Nadal should show variation in shots some with loopy top spins and most with flat shots or slices.
7.Good serve and volley.

Dealing with djokovic serve.
His strength is to serve wide, so the opponent will go out of the court to return. So while returning these serves, ensure it is returned to djokovics backhand or a drop shot on djokovics duece court. Anything else is waste of energy.

Always Hit Away from him even if you were to lose the point. This approach will make sure he is not in control of the rally for the most part.
 

FedererDropShot

Hall of Fame
1. The slice.

This is why the 1 handers, along with Murray, tend to trouble Novak imo.

Federer, Haas, Stan, you name it.

Nadal's slice is meh and he doesn't utilise it enough against Novak for it to help him in any way.

2. Big serves.

E.g. Isner, Raonic, etc.

Even Stan and Roger - who have good serves.

3. Variety in general.

This is why Nadal cannot neutralise god mode Djokovic yet Federer could neutralise god mode Djokovic back in 2011 (even past his prime).

E.g. 2011 FO SF, 2011 USO SF (nearly won), etc.

In best out of 3 sets...

When Nadal plays like crap, he usually gets a big beatdown against Novak.

When Federer plays like crap, he usually still gets it to the 3rd set against Novak. Or at least one or two competitive sets in a straight sets defeat.
 
1. The slice.

This is why the 1 handers, along with Murray, tend to trouble Novak imo.

Federer, Haas, Stan, you name it.

Nadal's slice is meh and he doesn't utilise it enough against Novak for it to help him in any way.

2. Big serves.

E.g. Isner, Raonic, etc.

Even Stan and Roger - who have good serves.

3. Variety in general.

This is why Nadal cannot neutralise god mode Djokovic yet Federer could neutralise god mode Djokovic back in 2011 (even past his prime).

E.g. 2011 FO SF, 2011 USO SF (nearly won), etc.

In best out of 3 sets...

When Nadal plays like crap, he usually gets a big beatdown against Novak.

When Federer plays like crap, he usually still gets it to the 3rd set against Novak. Or at least one or two competitive sets in a straight sets defeat.

Agree with you. In US open 2013, Nadal used it very well and hence the results. Basically the slice being flat, it robs time off djokovic to adjust to hit the shot away from opponent.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
1. The slice.

This is why the 1 handers, along with Murray, tend to trouble Novak imo.

Federer, Haas, Stan, you name it.

Nadal's slice is meh and he doesn't utilise it enough against Novak for it to help him in any way.

2. Big serves.

E.g. Isner, Raonic, etc.

Even Stan and Roger - who have good serves.

3. Variety in general.

Yes, good post. Those three things tend to bother Djokovic a lot.
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
1. Hit yourself a Raonic-like serve and then when he pulls you into rallies junk ball the hell out of him. Don't give him predictable rhythm groundies, ever.

2. Hope he doesn't feel like beating you half to death anyway.
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
Variety, as has been said already, and aggression. Djokovic banks on outlasting the opponent's purple patch but I believe several players can milk that patch for a match win (Wawrinka, Federer, Nishikori, Tsonga even, to name a few). Nadal and Murray has different approaches that also work. Nothing is a given, however, everyone knows they have a war on their hands when they face Djokovic.
 

NADALRECORD

Banned
Nadal hit 22 winners in the 5th set of last year's Roland Garros semi because he didn't want to make it a stamina contest, because he knew Djokovic would probably win that (see 2012 AO).
 

batz

G.O.A.T.
1. Play him on grass

2. Use slice

3. Try and keep him off balance (easier said than done)
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal hit 22 winners in the 5th set of last year's Roland Garros semi because he didn't want to make it a stamina contest, because he knew Djokovic would probably win that (see 2012 AO).

A lot of wild numbers from that match. I don't trust any of the stats other than serve % and total points won.
 

NADALRECORD

Banned
Wild tennis = wild numbers. I enjoyed Nadal's wild attacks in 2012 RG final 4th set and 2013 RG semi 5th set. He really knows how to up the ante when required at Roland Garros.
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
It has got be variety, different speeds, and good use of slice. Moving Djokovic around ain't going to be good enough, since he covers the court and defends so well. His flexibility, and durability allows him to get to almost any ball for very long periods of time. He is also a beast when it comes to making it a war of attrition, even the mighty Nadal has been bested at times by this.

You have to take the match to him, aggressive, shortening the points, and using a variety of touch, slice and power to keep him guessing. If you get into rallying mode with him, you're in trouble.
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
A lot of wild numbers from that match. I don't trust any of the stats other than serve % and total points won.

Having watched that match live and the 5th set about 2 times after that, it is a 100% legitimate stat. Winner after winner was flying from Nadal's racket. He was even crushing backhand winners frequently, but the forehand was out of control towards the end of that match.
 
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Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Agree with you. In US open 2013, Nadal used it very well and hence the results. Basically the slice being flat, it robs time off djokovic to adjust to hit the shot away from opponent.

I doubt that Nadal's slice is faster than his average ground stroke. The slice is effective against Djoko for different reasons
a) he needs to hit it from very low and he hasn't got enough spin to rip it quite like Nadal does with low slices
b) he needs to create his own pace
c) it robs him of rhythm by giving him a different ball to hit

As for dropshotting Djoko's first serve? Seriously? Fed may be able to do this one or twice, but it's not exactly a strategy that can be executed on a consistent basis.
 
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Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
It has got be variety, different speeds, and good use of slice. Moving Djokovic around ain't going to be good enough, since he covers the court and defends so well. His flexibility, and durability allows him to get to almost any ball for very long periods of time. He is also a beast when it comes to making it a war of attrition, even the mighty Nadal has been bested at times by this.

You have to take the match to him, aggressive, shortening the points, and using a variety of touch, slice and power to keep him guessing. If you get into rallying mode with him, you're in trouble.

You, Federerdropshot (post 2) and batz (post 18) all hit it on the nail.
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
Having watched that match live and the 5th set about 2 times after that, it is a 100% legitimate stat. Winner after winner was flying from Nadal's racket. He was even crushing backhand winners frequently, but the forehand was out of control towards the end of that match.

As a whole, though, numbers from the match seem to differ. I don't understand why there are such discrepancies.
 
Beating Djokovic? Easy, the guy uses western grip FH, so he likes a high contact point. So avoid hitting loopy high-bouncing topspin, rather hit lots of low bouncing slices and flat drives to his FH, and lure him to net with some short slices.

That's exactly what Federer did during his prime, and no surprise, he dominated Djokovic back then! Nadal will NEVER dominate Djokovic, rather Nadal's game with the high bounces perfectly drives Djokovic to zone.
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
As a whole, though, numbers from the match seem to differ. I don't understand why there are such discrepancies.

What numbers are you talking about that differ? Those were the official IBM statistics. I only looked at them after watching the match, I was not at all surprised by the numbers. Nadal played a ridiculously aggressive 5th set.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Beating Djokovic? Easy, the guy uses western grip FH, so he likes a high contact point. So avoid hitting loopy high-bouncing topspin, rather hit lots of low bouncing slices and flat drives to his FH, and lure him to net with some short slices.

That's exactly what Federer did during his prime, and no surprise, he dominated Djokovic back then! Nadal will NEVER dominate Djokovic, rather Nadal's game with the high bounces perfectly drives Djokovic to zone.

Nadal was 9-0 on clay prior to 2011 and lead the h2h quite comfortably due to this (with 9-10 matches iirc).
 

irishnadalfan1983

Hall of Fame
It has got be variety, different speeds, and good use of slice. Moving Djokovic around ain't going to be good enough, since he covers the court and defends so well. His flexibility, and durability allows him to get to almost any ball for very long periods of time. He is also a beast when it comes to making it a war of attrition, even the mighty Nadal has been bested at times by this.

You have to take the match to him, aggressive, shortening the points, and using a variety of touch, slice and power to keep him guessing. If you get into rallying mode with him, you're in trouble.

Nail on the head.

He doesn't have any obvious weaknesses (like Rafa, Fed, etc.) so variety is the key for me.
 

firepanda

Professional
Smack the ball as hard as you can into the corner.

When Djokovic is playing well, he's unbeatable. It takes an uber-aggressive performance along the lines of Wawrinka to beat him then. That's easier said than done because he can neutralise most shots very effectively. As people have said, the slice can put him off his rhythm as well.
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
What numbers are you talking about that differ? Those were the official IBM statistics. I only looked at them after watching the match, I was not at all surprised by the numbers. Nadal played a ridiculously aggressive 5th set.

Just Google-search the match and pretty much every page you open will have different stats.
 

NADALRECORD

Banned
Beating Djokovic? Easy, the guy uses western grip FH, so he likes a high contact point. So avoid hitting loopy high-bouncing topspin, rather hit lots of low bouncing slices and flat drives to his FH, and lure him to net with some short slices.

That's exactly what Federer did during his prime, and no surprise, he dominated Djokovic back then! Nadal will NEVER dominate Djokovic, rather Nadal's game with the high bounces perfectly drives Djokovic to zone.

Federer dominated Djokovic, but so did Nadal-

2007 Rome: Nadal d. Djokovic 6-2 6-3
2007 Tennis Masters Cup: Nadal d. Djokovic 6-4 6-4
2009 Davis Cup: Nadal d. Djokovic 6-4 6-4 6-1
2012 Monte Carlo: Nadal d. Djokovic 6-3 6-1
2013 US Open: Nadal d. Djokovic 6-2 3-6 6-4 6-1
 

Edgecrusher

Professional
What you need to beat Djokovic:

1. DelPo´s forehand
2. Djoker´s backhand
3. Murray´s slice
4. Raonic´s serve
5. Nadal´s determination

:D :D :D
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Federer dominated Djokovic, but so did Nadal-

2007 Rome: Nadal d. Djokovic 6-2 6-3
2007 Tennis Masters Cup: Nadal d. Djokovic 6-4 6-4
2009 Davis Cup: Nadal d. Djokovic 6-4 6-4 6-1
2012 Monte Carlo: Nadal d. Djokovic 6-3 6-1
2013 US Open: Nadal d. Djokovic 6-2 3-6 6-4 6-1

Federer is a more difficult match up for Nole than Nadal and he always will be. It's already been explained here by various posters why.
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
Just Google-search the match and pretty much every page you open will have different stats.

The BBC had the same numbers
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/tennis/22796191

I actually didn't find any websites that had completely different numbers, but I will take your word for it. The unfortunate thing about tennis is that it doesn't seem too popular for most sports websites to include a neat little boxscore for tennis matches indicating the various stats from the match like the bbc page did.

I personally think the numbers are correct. I watched 15 minutes of the the 5th about 30 minutes ago and I counted 10 clean winners from Nadal in 2.5 games before I had to get back to work. It was a great performance for him, but part of the reason for such a high winner count was that Djokovic kept slipping around on the court. I was surprised to see Djokovic fail to chase down many of those shots.
 
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Federer is a more difficult match up for Nole than Nadal and he always will be. It's already been explained here by various posters why.

Exactly. Ain't it fun, Federer is a bad match up for Djoker due to variety/slice, Nadal is a bad match up for Federer due to high bouncing strokes and ability to handle slice with his semi-western reverse FH, and Djokovic is a bad match up for Nadal due to his ability to drive hard off high bounces with extreme western grip FH and 2HBH. A perfect balance, BUT one of them is 5-6 years older! :eek:

And yes, Djokovic WILL dominate Nadal indefinitely. :D
 

NADALRECORD

Banned
^ Its true, Nadal won 6 of 7 meetings with Djokovic in 2012-2013. Plus Nadal has won their last 3 slam meetings including a breadstick in their most recent set (US Open 4th set).

Nadal won their first 5 slam meetings.
Djokovic was their next 3 slam meetings.
Nadal won their last 3 slam meetings.
 

uliks

Banned
What is Djokovic's record since the beginning of 2011 against his bad match up Federer.
 
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