Hi Dont Let it Bounce -
Request granted. I applied two coats of clear lacquer to my 6 new frames. The P1 has a matte finish, and the silver decals are very prone to chipping. Thought I would gloss em up a bit and put something on to help prevent the chipping that always happens at 3 and 9 in the hoop. Now comes the fun part, matching em all up, leather grips, lead etc.
-Jack
..
..
![]()
Pictures below. In a nutshell:-
Wilson BLX Juice Pro
Dremel with rough/fine sanding band
Various grit glass paper
3 coats x primer (300ml)
2 coats x matt enamel (300ml)
2 coats x gloss enamel (300m)
1 light coat x gloss acylic simply to even up the finish
1 coat x lacquer clear coat
It's been an interesting exercise and a good learning experience. If I was going to do this again (and if I had the time) I would the following:
1. Spend more time sanding with fine grit to get as much of a flat/smooth finish as possible. The problem with standing of course is that it's incredibly time consuming....
2. Airgun - the finer spray would have been useful.
3. Wouldn't bother using gloss enamel paint again. When it dries, parts of it come out glossy, other parts less glossy, some parts slightly matt. I would use a matt enamel and then coat with lacquer, or just have a matt finish (too much lacquer = too shiny = bit tacky looking).
![]()
Primer and first few coats of pain
Second attempt this time on my other racquet.....
I went through different grits of sanding paper this time (400>600>800) after Dremel'ing off the paint and paint and primer (previously I applied the primer straight after Dremel'ing). Spent more time generally sanding by hand this time with a curved sanding block.
Finish is a lot flatter and smoother, so as far as I'm concerned, spending time finishing the surface and going up the different grit paper ranges is key.
Hopefully the primer and print will go on a lot flatter this time. I'm also going to try and pick a day when the weather is warmer to apply the primer/paint.
I might try a metallic or pearlescent paint this time as a flat coloured paint looks a bit dull and too much lacquer makes it look too shiney.
UPDATE
2nd attempt. Cut out the school boy errors this time.
Went through ALL of the main grits prior to priming
Used 1200 grit for smoothing between coats
Ensured the can of paint was at room temperature / warmer
Used a pearlescent paint this time which seems to give a better finish compared to matt black or black gloss
Weighed racquet beforehand and will use as much paint/coats required to bring it back up to weight
Babolat Pure Storm Tour (left), Wilson BLX Juice Pro (Right)
This is the 2nd racquet I've attempted now and I am very pleased with the finish. I managed to find some pearlescent blue car paint which gave a very nice smooth satin finish that looks lighter or darker depending on the light.
Spent much more time this time around sanding with 800 and 1200 fine grit for a smoother finish, and fine gritting between layers of primer and paint.
I don't think its been mentioned previously in this thread but stripping off the original paint and using a replacement paint seems to change the way the racquet feels. The original paint was very solid and rigid, and contributes to the racquet feeling solid. The replacement paints that I tried seem to be softer and less dense with the result that racquet doesn't feel as solid. Its very noticeable with the Juice Pro because what I liked most about the orginal racquet was how solid it felt. It had that solid block of hardwood feel without any wobble or vibration and would stable even returning the hardest hit shots. It hard to explain but now the racquet feels slightly more 'jangly'. It can only the paint because that's the only change that's been made.
Bear in mind that stripping off the paint right back to the bare graphite can remove up to 30-32g in weight. That's a massive amount, so be prepared to weigh the racquet beforehand so you can bring the racquet back up to its original weight and have a consistent distribution of mass across the hoop and throat. I used probably 4 coats of primer and probably 7-8 coats of paint to bring it back to the original weight spec. For the best finish, you really need to be as patient as possible with the sanding, finishing, painting, drying etc. I could have spent another week doing this.
246g - bare racquet stripped back to the graphite
20g - grommet set
18-20g - replacement grip (Wilson True Grip)
16-17g - strings (poly)
5-6g - overgrip
2g - dampener
1g - misc tape
Total = 308-312g (original weight was 346g)
Originals (with part painted one on the left - originally I tried painting directly onto the lacquer but the paint didn't take very well)
Babolat Pure Storm Tour (Carbon Xtreme) below
Did a 'quick and dirty' job on this one with minimal sanding as its a old racquet I don't really use anymore and it already had a ton of paint chips and scrapes already on it. Lacquer really shows up any surface imperfections.
Original Pure Storm Tour Carbon Xtreme below (on the right)
Acetone won't strip most racquet paints. Just give it a try - if it melts, you're "good" to go. If it doesn't, well, it's a cheap experiment. Even if it DOES work, though, I'd be surprised if it stripped ALL the paint on the frame. It'd just prolong the experiment rather than getting it done correctly in the first place, IMO.Really wish this guy wasn't banned. I have tons of questions on his results and process before I start this on my trio of Babolat Aero Pro Drives.
Carbolift looks very messy and could possibly leak into the grommet holes -- no good. Ultimately, his results look the best out of all the threads I've read. What are thoughts on using acetone to strip paint?
You guys weren't kidding. I started just one of the APD+ I plan to customize, and just did hand sanding for this one so I could control the potential paint breakdown. Started with 320grit, moved to 600 for the primer. My hand, fingers, and arm are killing me today. I wet sanded for about 3hrs yesterday, and only got about half the racquet done. Heading to HD tonight for some citrus stripper, more sandpaper, primer and Rust Oleum matte black paint.
EDIT*:
Bought some citrus stripper. I actually decided not to do a primer on the racquet. Since I'm painting it matte black, and the racquet is already carbon/graphite color, seemed like a redundant step, adding unnecessary weight. Will do 2-3 coats of matte, then a coat or two of 2k urethane clear.
Acetone won't strip most racquet paints. Just give it a try - if it melts, you're "good" to go. If it doesn't, well, it's a cheap experiment. Even if it DOES work, though, I'd be surprised if it stripped ALL the paint on the frame. It'd just prolong the experiment rather than getting it done correctly in the first place, IMO.
I would still use primer, it will give a decent base for the black to go onto and make the paint job more durable. Even if it's just one or two light coats it will be worth it.
Yeah, please do post them up!! Would love to see what my result may look like.Yea the primer will give a solid base for the main paint to sit onto. Also if you don't use primer you will find that the frame will chip a lot easier. For the sake of a few $ it'll be well worth it.
Grey or black primer will be fine, it won't make a difference either way. I painted an original APD a few years ago, I used grey primer followed by gloss black main coat and then gloss lacquer. I'll take some pictures of it in the morning and post them up.
Sweet, thanks for posting. Not a slight towards your work at all, but I'm not so sure I'm sold on the black now. I'm not a fan of the gloss/shiny look, I always thought a matte finish with a coat or two of urethane clear would be great. Since I have three APDs to paint, I may actually do one in black, one in white, and another in the matte that I like most (black or white).
I also get worried about the different paint types being too heavy, or never able to dry. I plan to try the citrus stripper tonight though, see how much easier it is than hand wetsanding.
I wonder how automotive trim paint would work? It would give a nice satin finish rather than a gloss black.
I wonder how automotive trim paint would work? It would give a nice satin finish rather than a gloss black.
Yes I know what you mean, the full gloss black can look a bit cheap! The pictures were taken under artificial light so it doesn't help, but I think it would look better in a matte or satin finish.
Matte white would look awesome! Give that a go and post up some pictures. The more I look at my old APD the more I fancy repainting it... A nice battleship grey would look good!
With regards to the paint not drying, you could always just use very thin coats each time. So for the main colour, instead of using 2 thick coats you could do 4 or 5 thin ones. Also to aid drying you can always heat the racket with a hairdryer. With mine I put on a coat of paint, warmed it up with the hairdryer for 10 minutes after and then let it air out until fully dry.
The good thing with painting rackets is that if it all goes **** up you can just sand it off and start again!
That would look good. Also, has anyone thought to use a textured finish paint, something like VHT Wrinkle?
I used it to paint an old filing cabinet before and it left a really nice matte black textured finish. The below picture is of a cam cover painted with the stuff....
Could look cool on a racket!
I worry that auto spray paints are too heavy for a racquet. Is that irrational?
So this "stripping the paint" step is incredibly, outrageously time-consuming. I'm using citristrip (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Citristr...sh-Stripping-Gel-QCG73801TB/206376501).....or rather, I "used". I put it on and left it on all three racquets for over an hour. Took to the sink, rinsed off completely with warm water, and it seems to do nothing. Even using new 320 grit sandpaper, it doesn't seem to do anything at all. I really, really have to sit there and scrub and scrub and scrub to make any progress.
Am I doing something wrong? Should I leave the stripper on longer? Is it just too weak of a product? I've got probably 5-6hours invested in just the first racquet alone. Any thoughts or ideas or tips?
Well, then I know what my wife is getting for Christmas: some alone time!!....so I can finish sanding my racquets!!
If the racquet is an old one your not too fussed on you can cheat like i did and use a pair of smaller scissors held like a razor and gently shave off the top layers of paint till you see the undercoat, which i then sanded down a bit. Sanding the whole thing is a HUGE PIA. The last 2 racquets i did i painted over the existing paint as i wanted to add a little weight, which worked well. Removing the existing paint alltogether will change the "feel" of the racquet as someone mentioned above, it wont feel as solid afterwards, so if you dont mind a little extra weight i wouldnt remove the original paint. Seems each coat of paint adds roughly a gram or so.
Been looking at doing a custom paint myself... Here's another thread I thought to be useful:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/my-custom-paint-job.206667/
I saw that.Been looking at doing a custom paint myself... Here's another thread I thought to be useful:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/my-custom-paint-job.206667/
I saw that.
I'm gonna sand it down and plasti dip it tho
I am going to buy the special effect paints and try it out, plus if you don't like it you can peel it off
I will, but since I already have heavy rackets I was going to weigh then unstrung with lead no grommets and no gripThey will be heavy, no? It's like spray rubber. You should do something for the thread and weigh your racquet right now (in grams) and then final weight with plastidip once you're done. My assumption is that it's heavier than normal spray paint.
I'm definitely curious!!I will, but since I already have heavy rackets I was going to weigh then unstrung with lead no grommets and no grip
And without lead
Then sand it and apply the paint
I will also check balance points
Christmas is a great excuse to buy your wife a giant oven that will take a frame.. The finish is all in the bake!
Make sure that you should put something in grommet holes. Toothpick might be good or I use toilet paper (just roll it).It's coming along. Got my first two coats of paint down.
I thought about this for a bit, but opted against it. That's A LOT of work to block out each and every single grommet hole. If any of the holes become tough, I'll just use a razor blade to scrape down the paint.Make sure that you should put something in grommet holes. Toothpick might be good or I use toilet paper (just roll it).
Otherwise, you will be a little hard to put a grommet back in.
If you have a problem to put it back, use hair dryer a little.