How to file complain on a self-rated player?

[robert]

Noticed a self-rated 4.0 who did very well in 4.5 leagues. But he is still not DQed from 4.0. In regular season, he hided in doubles of 4.0 team. Now Playoff started, he is playing #1 singles and is smoking other 4.0s easily.

Following is his record in the regular season.
3-6, 6-1, 1-0 win 4.5 doubles
4-6, 6-3, 1-0 lost 4.5 doubles
7-5, 6-1 win 4.5 doubles
3-6, 6-1, 1-0 win 4.5 doubles
6-2, 6-2 win 4.5 doubles
7-6, 3-6, 1-0 win 4.5 doubles
6-2, 6-4 lost 4.0 doubles
6-4, 6-2 win 4.0 doubles
3-6, 6-1, 1-0 win 4.0 doubles
3-6, 6-0, 1-0 win 4.5 doubles
6-3, 3-6, 1-0 win 4.5 doubles
5-7, 6-1, 1-0 lost 4.5 singles
7-5, 6-4 lost 4.5 singles

Can we use the above match record to make a case?

 

[kylebarendrick]

No - the USTA would simply say that if he is out of level the computer will take care of it. You would need to have some evidence that he misrepresented his experience when he self rated.

 

[J_R_B]

I find it surprising that he hasn't been DQ'd yet, quite frankly, from his 4.5 matches, but whatever, there's no accounting for the computer sometimes. If he keeps smoking people in singles at districts or states, it'll catch up to him.

As stated, results alone or "he's too good for this level" is not a valid grievance and will be rejected every time.

 

[JLyon]

If he smokes three opponents in the playoffs he will be DQ'ed before Sectionals or the next level of playoffs.

 

[BrooklynNY]

Playing a bunch of 3rd set tiebreakers and even losing a bunch doesn't exactly mean he is worthy of being DQed

 

[JLyon]

If the guy self-rated at 4.0 but is winning or going 3 sets at 4.5 (if against 4.5 opponents) then he would very close to getting strikes if he has not already gotten strikes

 

[tennis_tater]

No - the USTA would simply say that if he is out of level the computer will take care of it. You would need to have some evidence that he misrepresented his experience when he self rated.

^^^^I agree with this ^^^^

Computer will take care of self-rating through dynamic rating process and only way to get him DQ'd is that the player did not follow the NTRP guidelines when self-rating. As far as his 4.5 match results, it's kind of hard to draw any conclusions from the scores unless you knew the ratings of his opponents. There may be players like him, rated as 4.0's, that are playing up that this player is beating at the 4.5 level. If he's beating a bunch of 4.0 players at a higher level, the fact that its a 4.5 level match is irrelevant.

 

[Fedace]

Well he wasn't smoking guys at 4.5 doubles. all went 3 sets. Top level 4.0 players can beat guys at 4.5 if playing with good partner and playing well. Gap between top 4.0 guys and low to mid level 4.5 guy is not that big as you might imagine..

 

[J_R_B]

Well he wasn't smoking guys at 4.5 doubles. all went 3 sets. Top level 4.0 players can beat guys at 4.5 if playing with good partner and playing well. Gap between top 4.0 guys and low to mid level 4.5 guy is not that big as you might imagine..

While that's true on the court, winning (even in 3) or just playing competitively a level up as a self-rate typically does generate strikes against the lower level. Almost every player that I've ever seen self-rate and then play two levels has gotten DQ'd from the lower level due to matches at the higher level.

 

[tennismonkey]

if he's really a self rate 4.0 -- then yes it's a little surprising he hasn't gotten 3 strikes yet based on his results.

if he's a computer or benchmark 4.0 -- then no i was under the assumption that he's safe so to speak and will be bumped next year.

 

[jmverdugo]

he is not smoking opponents at 4.0 level, to be considered an strike he should have to won all set losing less than 2 games each set -(I think) - At least that is what happened with one of my team mates.

 

[Nellie]

As mentioned above, you cannot appeal based on a player's playing record. You need to find out that the player lied during registration. It is actually surprisingly common to find that 4.0 player has some king of junior background (sectional ranking, etc.) that can be raised.

It is hard to get computer DQ'ed playing doubles - too many factors in play. In short, each player only count's for 1/4 the result, so lets say this player (4.0 computer rating) played with a good 4.5 (4.9 computer rating) against low level 4.5's (4.5 computer ratings). You have a net team of 8.9 playing a net 9.0 team. Then, according to the computer, the player should be playing to three sets, and that is the result you see. Then, if one of those opponents is a 4.0 playing up, then the results may even bring down the player's rating.

 

[J_R_B]

he is not smoking opponents at 4.0 level, to be considered an strike he should have to won all set losing less than 2 games each set -(I think) - At least that is what happened with one of my team mates.

Yeah, none of the 4.0 matches are likely strikes, but when you play up as a self-rate, just playing competitively at the hgher level is usually enough to get strikes against the lower level.

 

[a10best]

what is a more true rating?

A club pro rates you at 4.5, but you have played in 5.0 good sized Cali tournaments and lose 1st round in a breaker or 1 break in 2nd set or 1 break each set. Which is a more accurate rating? and if you play 4.0's it is easy wins. Sometimes, there is only 4.0, 5.0, and Open divisions.

 

[J_R_B]

what is a more true rating?

A club pro rates you at 4.5, but you have played in 5.0 good sized Cali tournaments and lose 1st round in a breaker or 1 break in 2nd set or 1 break each set. Which is a more accurate rating? and if you play 4.0's it is easy wins. Sometimes, there is only 4.0, 5.0, and Open divisions.

Clearly 5.0.