How to get bumped 5.5 from 5.0 NTRP?

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Has anyone who didn't play college tennis or above reach 5.5 NTRP?

Some background on me. I'm 24 years old and am currently a 5.0C rated player in NorCal. I played as a junior and was a decent 2-star on TRN but did not play college tennis and took a 5 year break from competing between 18 and 23.

I know I am not 5.5 level at the moment, and I actually do not want to get bumped to 5.5 because it would limit my playing opportunities in league tennis in NorCal. However, I am curious what results in USTA would bump a 5.0 player up because I rarely see bump ups to 5.5 happen.

Does the USTA factor in equivalent UTR and results in tournament play?
 
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NorCal includes sanctioned USTA NTRP tournaments. Unsanctioned tournaments or those put on by UTR or any other non-USTA organization have no bearing on your NTRP rating. And your Adult league results in the 18+ league count as well of course.

Whether or not you get bumped up all depends on your results, specifically scores and who you play. You could win all your matches and not get bumped up if enough matches are close and/or played against lower rated opponents. Similarly, if you play very high rated opponents, it is possible to have a record that may not look dominating but still get bumped up. It all "depends".

I do calculate estimated ratings that have proven quite accurate, DM me if interested.
 
MaxTennis said:
Has anyone who didn't play college tennis or above reach 5.5 NTRP?

Some background on me. I'm 24 years old and am currently a 5.0C rated player in NorCal. I played as a junior and was a decent 2-star on TRN but did not play college tennis and took a 5 year break from competing between 18 and 23.

I know I am not 5.5 level at the moment, and I actually do not want to get bumped to 5.5 because it would limit my playing opportunities in league tennis in NorCal. However, I am curious what results in USTA would bump a 5.0 player up because I rarely see bump ups to 5.5 happen.

Does the USTA factor in equivalent UTR and results in tournament play?
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If you are a 5.0 computer rating I think you are unlikely to get bumped to 5.5., even if you have an ok record at 5.0. A lot of 5.0s you play are actually 4.8 or whatever in the system. Most teams arent stocked with the top of 5.0, it is usually a mix. If you are beating 5.0s severely as in bagels etc then maybe and in that case you should be 5.5 anyway...but no offense its really not that likely if you took a break.
 
In theory, you could enter sanctioned Open tournaments where they have current and ex-collegiate level players entered. Win the tournament without losing a set. Rinse and repeat and I believe your 5.0C will become 5.5T. It will be a grind because you will be playing against people who practice A LOT.

I know of only one guy that made it from 4.5C to 5.5C, but I do not think he stayed there long. No playing opportunities and I believe he no longer plays any leagues because he has a family IIRC. The only other current 5.5's I know are all ex-college. They play leagues, but they do not have the time to really stay there. YMMV because there is this thing called LIFE-outside-of-tennis.
 
EP1998 said:
If you are a 5.0 computer rating I think you are unlikely to get bumped to 5.5., even if you have an ok record at 5.0. A lot of 5.0s you play are actually 4.8 or whatever in the system. Most teams arent stocked with the top of 5.0, it is usually a mix. If you are beating 5.0s severely as in bagels etc then maybe and in that case you should be 5.5 anyway...but no offense its really not that likely if you took a break.
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I'm definitely not a 5.5 at the moment with the way I'm playing haha.

I believe my peak UTR was 11.02 back in 2013 when I was playing my best tennis. Right now, I'm only 9.75 so not even a strong 5.0.
 
esgee48 said:
In theory, you could enter sanctioned Open tournaments where they have current and ex-collegiate level players entered. Win the tournament without losing a set. Rinse and repeat and I believe your 5.0C will become 5.5T. It will be a grind because you will be playing against people who practice A LOT.

I know of only one guy that made it from 4.5C to 5.5C, but I do not think he stayed there long. No playing opportunities and I believe he no longer plays any leagues because he has a family IIRC. The only other current 5.5's I know are all ex-college. They play leagues, but they do not have the time to really stay there. YMMV because there is this thing called LIFE-outside-of-tennis.
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Yeah, I played two of those big money Opens in NorCal and lost pretty decisively to a UTR 12 and a pretty close two-setter with a UTR 11.

Definitely not at a 5.5 level right now. My question was more hypothetical in nature.
 
Utr12? No way at your current state of life. If you were already a 14 or 15 utr a few years ago then I say it 12 is possible as you get older.

Utr 10 is still very good so why even bother practicing more.

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esgee48 said:
In theory, you could enter sanctioned Open tournaments where they have current and ex-collegiate level players entered. Win the tournament without losing a set. Rinse and repeat and I believe your 5.0C will become 5.5T. It will be a grind because you will be playing against people who practice A LOT.

I know of only one guy that made it from 4.5C to 5.5C, but I do not think he stayed there long. No playing opportunities and I believe he no longer plays any leagues because he has a family IIRC. The only other current 5.5's I know are all ex-college. They play leagues, but they do not have the time to really stay there. YMMV because there is this thing called LIFE-outside-of-tennis.
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I don't think open tournaments count towards a rating. He'd have to play 5.0 level NTRP tournaments, if such a thing exists in that area. Also, T ratings do not supplant C ratings, so even if he is playing NTRP 5.5 tournaments (again, if such a thing exists) and smoking everyone, he won't get a 5.5 T rating unless he also quits playing 5.0 league matches. If he plays 5.0 league matches, then he will get a C rating based on league results (with the NTRP tournament results eventually factoring in as well). It's possible for the combined league and NTRP tournament results to generate a 5.5 C rating, but that's more difficult if the league ratings alone only generate a 5.0 and the tournament results have to push a 5.0 C up to 5.5 rather than generating a 5.5 standalone.
 
Dartagnan64 said:
Is there anyone to play with at 5.5?
Out here you'd have dozen guys tops to deal with in open tourneys.
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There's quite a few guys rated 5.5 in USTA NorCal.

It definitely does limit your option to play league tennis, but my level right now isn't strong enough for 5.5 and I like 5.0 because I can still play leagues and also Open tourneys.
 
A friend of mine in Colorado got bumped up to 5.5 from 5.0. He basically quit tennis for a couple of years until he could get moved back down because there were no 5.5 leagues or tournaments.
 
MaxTennis said:
There's quite a few guys rated 5.5 in USTA NorCal.

It definitely does limit your option to play league tennis, but my level right now isn't strong enough for 5.5 and I like 5.0 because I can still play leagues and also Open tourneys.
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How does it limit your options for league tennis? The 5.0 leagues are “+” in this area meaning 5.5s can be on the team, they’re just limited to how many 5.5s and what court they play on. If you become a low level 5.5 I suppose you could get skipped over for the upper level 5.5s which would limit your options.

I guess going to 5.5 would cut you out of some combo and mixed leagues? As a 5.0 you can play 8.5 combo but I reckon you can’t as a 5.5. But If you’re a legit 5.5 would playing 8.5 be that much fun? You can still play 9.5 combo, which id guess would be more fun/competitive(?) for a 5.5. I don’t really know mixed rules because i don’t play, but i guess as 5.0 you can play 9.0 mixed but as 5.5 you couldn’t. But again, would 9.0 mixed be that fun for a 5.5? Maybe so, just asking.
 
winchestervatennis said:
How does it limit your options for league tennis? The 5.0 leagues are “+” in this area meaning 5.5s can be on the team, they’re just limited to how many 5.5s and what court they play on. If you become a low level 5.5 I suppose you could get skipped over for the upper level 5.5s which would limit your options.

I guess going to 5.5 would cut you out of some combo and mixed leagues? As a 5.0 you can play 8.5 combo but I reckon you can’t as a 5.5. But If you’re a legit 5.5 would playing 8.5 be that much fun? You can still play 9.5 combo, which id guess would be more fun/competitive(?) for a 5.5. I don’t really know mixed rules because i don’t play, but i guess as 5.0 you can play 9.0 mixed but as 5.5 you couldn’t. But again, would 9.0 mixed be that fun for a 5.5? Maybe so, just asking.
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For the 5.0+ league, it is fine, but it basically cuts down on your options for combo and mixed.

I don't think a 5.0 can play 8.5 combo. There cannot be greater than a 1.0 difference in level between partners if I recall. In fact, I don't think you can play 9.5 combo if the partnership is 5.5 + 4.0 because of that.

For mixed, you can play 10.0 with a 4.5 partner. I think 5.5's are barred from 9.0 mixed because of the 1.0 difference rule.
 
MaxTennis said:
For the 5.0+ league, it is fine, but it basically cuts down on your options for combo and mixed.

I don't think a 5.0 can play 8.5 combo. There cannot be greater than a 1.0 difference in level between partners if I recall. In fact, I don't think you can play 9.5 combo if the partnership is 5.5 + 4.0 because of that.

For mixed, you can play 10.0 with a 4.5 partner. I think 5.5's are barred from 9.0 mixed because of the 1.0 difference rule.
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Interesting. In my section (southern) there can be a 1.5 difference in combo. Meaning 5.0 + 3.5 can play 8.5 and 5.5 + 4.0 can play 9.5.
 
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