How to get bumped up in rating ?

[Tennis_tennis]

I am a 4.0 player in the top 5 in Mid Atlantic Region.
In my USTA page my ranking i s " T " which is an year end ranking.

What is the procedure in which USTA bump the rating from 4.0 to 4.5 ?

USTA just counts top 4 points when they calculate the year end rankings.

I won two tournaments this year and both that 150 points each are not counted by usta when they calculated the year end points.

I Just want to go to the next level. If USTA doesn't coiunt more than top 4 tournament 4 points every year, how can we climb the ladder?

Can any one explain?

 

[anubis]

I am a 4.0 player in the top 5 in Mid Atlantic Region.
In my USTA page my ranking i s " T " which is an year end ranking.

What is the procedure in which USTA bump the rating from 4.0 to 4.5 ?

USTA just counts top 4 points when they calculate the year end rankings.

I won two tournaments this year and both that 150 points each are not counted by usta when they calculated the year end points.

I Just want to go to the next level. If USTA doesn't coiunt more than top 4 tournament 4 points every year, how can we climb the ladder?

Can any one explain?

That's a tough one. This means you only play tournaments. Last year (2013), there was this guy who was a 3.0 with me. he played only tournaments, no league stuff. He won every 3.0 tournament that he played, and by a good margin. I think he had at least two titles, maybe three. Most of his matches were not competitive, he won easily, 6-0, 6-1, etc... I remember this well because he beat me twice (breadsticked both times), and I won three tournaments last years as well. All of my matches were competitive, I didn't bagel anyone.

At the end of the year, he was not bumped. He's still a 3.0 in 2014, but I was bumped to 3.5.

So, if I were you, I'd forsake 4.0 completely. Don't play any NTRP 4.0 tournaments, because you obviously get nothing for winning them. Play either 4.5 NTRP, or open level tournaments. Even if you don't get bumped, you'll at least get better competition.

 

[Tennis_tennis]

Thanks, That was worth enough .
So i will play more open tournaments and 4.5 tournaments instead of playing 4.0 as you said.

there is no use of spending money and wining 4.0 tournaments and in the end they are not even counting those all wins.

Do u recommend to play usta leagues instead too ?

 

[struggle]

Thanks, That was worth enough .
So i will play more open tournaments and 4.5 tournaments instead of playing 4.0 as you said.

there is no use of spending money and wining 4.0 tournaments and in the end they are not even counting those all wins.

Do u recommend to play usta leagues instead too ?

do you mean play usta league.....to help the NTRP issue?

i'd recommend you play no matter. 4.5 teams are much easier to find, that are needing players than 4.0. go get some.

 

[schmke]

I am a 4.0 player in the top 5 in Mid Atlantic Region.
In my USTA page my ranking i s " T " which is an year end ranking.

What is the procedure in which USTA bump the rating from 4.0 to 4.5 ?

USTA just counts top 4 points when they calculate the year end rankings.

I won two tournaments this year and both that 150 points each are not counted by usta when they calculated the year end points.

I Just want to go to the next level. If USTA doesn't coiunt more than top 4 tournament 4 points every year, how can we climb the ladder?

Can any one explain?

A 4.0T rating is one you get from playing just tournaments. And it is my understanding that only sanctioned NTRP tournaments are used to calculate this rating.

Your 4.0T rating is different from your points or ranking though. You get the latter based on size/type of tournament and how far you advance in the draw. You get the former based on the rating of your opponent and the score of the match, and all applicable matches, not just your 4 best results, are going to count.

Some reasons you didn't get bumped up to a 4.5T include

A) Some of your tournaments weren't NTRP tournaments, or weren't sanctioned, and so the results don't count towards your NTRP rating.

B) You had some less impressive results in addition to your two tournament wins and these kept your rating from being higher.

C) You faced lower rated competition and so the wins weren't as impressive as you might think. This is actually pretty common in NTRP tournaments as lower rated players like to play up and so you could have been playing a number of 3.5s.

If you want to get bumped up to 4.5, there are a few things to do.

First, you can continue to play 4.0 tournaments, just make sure they are sanctioned NTRP tournaments and then every match and game counts, so don't let up even if you are winning easily.

Second, you can play up yourself in 4.5 tournaments. You'll (in theory) be playing higher rated opponents which gives you a better opportunity to improve your rating. Keep in mind you could be facing another 4.0 playing up of course.

Third, you can play USTA League too. While you can still end up facing players playing up, the USTA places limits on how many players on a roster can be playing up which means you are more likely to play other 4.0s. And there is usually a couple teams in each sub-flight with playoff aspirations that have higher rated players so that is an opportunity to test yourself and if you can compete with and beat these players, that will improve your rating.

 

[J_R_B]

Thanks, That was worth enough .
So i will play more open tournaments and 4.5 tournaments instead of playing 4.0 as you said.

there is no use of spending money and wining 4.0 tournaments and in the end they are not even counting those all wins.

Do u recommend to play usta leagues instead too ?

Mid Atlantic 4.0 are the goats of all 4.0 goats. They've won nationals two years in a row. Join a super team there while you can.

 

[Tennis_tennis]

Hi schmke

I never played in any NON Sanctioned NTRP tournament. I only played Sanctioned tournaments.

I won five 4.0 NTRP tournaments since i have started playing competitive tournaments since Last March and reached one Men's open 30's tournament final ( this was a 400 point tournament)

This year itself i won two tournaments only in Jan. Those tournament were both 150 point tournaments.
When the seeding came out in Feb i found that they only add top 4 points of my total tournaments i played.

If they just just only add 4 top winning points, whats the use of just spending money and playing all these tournaments.

My record is 27-9 for 4.0 Tournaments since i started playing last year.

 

[Tennis_tennis]

How can i join a 4.0 league ? Can you please guide me.

Is playing 4.0 league better or 4.0 NTRP tournaments ?

 

[kevrol]

How can i join a 4.0 league ? Can you please guide me.

Is playing 4.0 league better or 4.0 NTRP tournaments ?

https://tennislink.usta.com/Leagues/Main/FindALeague.aspx

 

[dode]

Again just like league, overall wins and losses doesn't matter on its own. Who you play and what the scores are have more effect. You have that record, but many of those matches were after the records came out, and you really haven't beaten many of the top ranked players. Ratings only come out once a year, so unless you play league and have to self rate, your rating will be 4.0T until next year.

On an unrelated note, one of your wins was against a guy I used to play as a junior in central ks I think 20 years ago. Small world.

john

 

[Tennis_tennis]

Interesting. .I have been playing tennis only since 2009..jan..hopefully I am planning to play some 4.0,4.5 and open tournaments this year...

Yes it's a small world

 

[sam_p]

In general, you will face tougher 4.0 competition in leagues than 4.0 tournaments. Many people play above level in tournaments, but in most semi-urban places (cities and suburbs) there are tons of 4.0 players and strong teams are made up mostly of 4.0 players. If you are a strong singles player I am surprised you haven't been approached already by captains looking for talent for their 4.0 teams. Many captains in NorCal use tournaments as a way to find guys without league records but good singles skills. When you play your next 4.0 tournament chat up your opponents and find out whether they are on teams and join one in your area. Play 4.0 at first and see how it goes. If you try to play up at 4.5 you may get little singles time unless it is a weak team desperate for singles players.

 

[anubis]

How can i join a 4.0 league ? Can you please guide me.

Is playing 4.0 league better or 4.0 NTRP tournaments ?

IF you play in a 4.5 18 & over league, and IF you remain competitive for the entire duration of your season there, and IF you play more than 3 matches, you will get bumped to 4.5.

 

[Tennis_tennis]

Thanks Guys

Last year i was approached by couple of teams.. but no one came this year.

I wanted to play singles on most times.. some of them wanted me to play may couple of singles and then only doubles.

One team wanted me to play singles.. but due to the timings of the match.. i didn't commit.

May be this year i will see whether i can play/ get chance to play singles.

the reason i started playing tournament is that, i can play my own way a no one can dictate , how i should play..

plus i am not a great doubles player.. and dont prefer to play usta doubles leagues

 

[J_R_B]

Thanks Guys

Last year i was approached by couple of teams.. but no one came this year.

I wanted to play singles on most times.. some of them wanted me to play may couple of singles and then only doubles.

One team wanted me to play singles.. but due to the timings of the match.. i didn't commit.

May be this year i will see whether i can play/ get chance to play singles.

the reason i started playing tournament is that, i can play my own way a no one can dictate , how i should play..

plus i am not a great doubles player.. and dont prefer to play usta doubles leagues

The problem with singles only players in USTA league is that in any given match, 6 of the 8 people are playing doubles, so it helps if you can at least play doubles in a pinch. If people who I am talking to say they only play singles, I tell them that's fine, I'll get them in singles as much as possible, although they will definitely play more if they're willing to play doubles, too.

 

[Tennis_tennis]

Okay Dude thanks

SO i am going to do the below

1) play in open tournemnts, 4.5 and if possible 4.0 tournamnets

2) play usta leagues

3) i am also playing men's open 30's

is this good enough ti improve the rating.

seeing all the comments above i feel i should play usta leagues than 4.0 tournaments right ?

 

[sam_p]

The problem with singles only players in USTA league is that in any given match, 6 of the 8 people are playing doubles, so it helps if you can at least play doubles in a pinch. If people who I am talking to say they only play singles, I tell them that's fine, I'll get them in singles as much as possible, although they will definitely play more if they're willing to play doubles, too.

I agree with you to a point, but I would say that the hierarchy of utility is a little more complicated - I've captained 4.5, 8.5 and 9.5 teams so I do have some perspective.

The two most valuable players are:

1. A strong lock down win 80% of the time singles player will be the most valuable commodity. In adult USTA leagues people who prefer singles and will win at level the great majority of the time are hard to come by - just send them out there and get the win in that line.

2. A superstud doubles player. They are able to pair with a wide variety of other doubles player and take a middle of the road player at level and team with them to win >75% of the time at level. This is very useful because flexibility is great.

I do agree that a guy who only wants to play singles and is a liability at doubles is not terribly useful if they are going to lose more than they win at singles. Of course, you do need enough guys to play singles or you'll be cannibalizing your doubles and still losing the single lines.

 

[schmke]

Okay Dude thanks

SO i am going to do the below

1) play in open tournemnts, 4.5 and if possible 4.0 tournamnets

2) play usta leagues

3) i am also playing men's open 30's

is this good enough ti improve the rating.

seeing all the comments above i feel i should play usta leagues than 4.0 tournaments right ?

If your sole goal is to get bumped up, I don't think open tournaments or age group tournaments will apply. I believe only NTRP tournaments go towards your NTRP rating.

Also, not all sections include tournaments in your rating if you play USTA League too. For example, in my section (PNW) if you play just tournaments you'll get a T rating. But if you play tournaments and USTA League, you'll get a C/B rating but it won't include any of your tournaments. Other sections like NorCal and Texas and others do include tournaments in this scenario however. So depending on your section, by playing USTA League your year-end rating may be based on just your USTA League matches.

 

[anubis]

I play tournaments because they are fun and I get better competition than in league play... but I have no illusions that it helps or hurts my NTRP. It's just a hobby.

It's the league play that matters most to your NTRP.

 

[NumbersGuy]

If your sole goal is to get bumped up, I don't think open tournaments or age group tournaments will apply. I believe only NTRP tournaments go towards your NTRP rating.

QUOTE]

This is correct. Even in League, Open level matches do not count.

 

[Tennis_tennis]

THis weekend, there is an " Open torunament" and a 4.0 torunament ? which one i should play ?( both are in the same place)

 

[hcb0804]

Apparently, you play 9 matches, lose 4 of them, also have 4 matches that go 3 sets, against perennial 3.5 players who never get bumped up.To me, that sounds like I am a competitive 3.5 player. But I get bumped to 4.0
Makes no sense.

 

[schmke]

Apparently, you play 9 matches, lose 4 of them, also have 4 matches that go 3 sets, against perennial 3.5 players who never get bumped up.To me, that sounds like I am a competitive 3.5 player. But I get bumped to 4.0
Makes no sense.

There is probably a reasonable explanation, but you need to provide more details. Were these singles or doubles matches? If you played doubles, all the players ratings factor in and things that appear odd but can be explained can occur. And the actual scores matter, not just winning or losing.

 

[Gut4Tennis]

Tennis_tennis

Let me give you an example of what 4.5 is like in league tennis.

The guy you lost 60 61 to last year was a 4.0 that moved up to 4.5. He has gone 1-7 in league matches since being bumped up.

You might be best suited for tournaments playing singles, as most league matches are doubles, and there is a time limit of 90min or sometimes 120 min IF you're lucky.

Seems like you should keep your rating at 4.0 since your not a 4.5 yet. Keep playing tournaments, but choose the larger points events, and yes play in 4.5 events as well.

good luck

 

[Tennis_tennis]

I decided not to play in usta leagues.

I will just play 4.0 tournaments.
Men's open 30's
and some 4.5 tournaments

 

[dizzlmcwizzl]

Tennis-Tennis, what is the reason you want to get bumped up? Are you missing out on opportunity or is it mostly ego (which is ok btw).

In reading your posts it seems that you have no interest in league tennis other than manipulating your rating. Additionally, it also seems there is plenty of tournaments in your area that fit into your schedule.

League tennis is great if it fits into your schedule. You get to play someone new every match and the competition is consistently on level. However, changing ones rating through league tennis is hard. You have to dominate your on-level competition or be competitive while playing up levels.

Tournaments, if they exists in your area, do not discriminate on who they accept. You can easily play up if you want as the directors will always take your money. To me the downside of tournaments is that you do not get consistently good tennis ... which is why I prefer leagues.

In reading your posts it seems like you are a tournament player and, to me, there is no reason why you should be worried about the bump unless it is a pride thing. If you get the bump you will simply have less tournament opportunities.

 

[HRB]

Win, and then WIN again and more!:twisted:

 

[Tennis_tennis]

hi
your are right, I am not a league player. I am looking for tournaments only. League schedule is hard to manage for me since i will have to play 9 pm at nights which is hard for me.

The reason why i was asking about bumping in ratings is that:

1) many of my tournament points are not counted in the total points. usta counts only top 4 points...i won , 2 NTRP USTA tournaments in January and those points are not counted in the total number of points. i enjoy playing competitive points and at the same time when we win a tournament we expect that points to be counted right.

USTA only takes into consideration top 4 points which is not a very motivating factor.

 

[dizzlmcwizzl]

The reason why i was asking about bumping in ratings is that:

1) many of my tournament points are not counted in the total points. usta counts only top 4 points...i won , 2 NTRP USTA tournaments in January and those points are not counted in the total number of points. i enjoy playing competitive points and at the same time when we win a tournament we expect that points to be counted right.

USTA only takes into consideration top 4 points which is not a very motivating factor.

You need to remember that rating has absolutely nothing to do with ranking.

Getting a bump in rating only means you are more limited in tournaments you can play. By being forced to play in higher level NTRP tournaments you will usually play better players making it harder to acquire points. So I guess in that sense there is an inverse relationship between the two.

 

[dizzlmcwizzl]

USTA only takes into consideration top 4 points which is not a very motivating factor.

Except for this ... by doing their points in this way ultimately the best players will have the most points.

If you allowed every tournament to acquire points you could have someone play a tourney every weekend. Occasionally win a round or two and dominate the rankings through volume.

Whereas with this system a player that only plays the 5 or 6 biggest tournaments and wins 4 of them will be the top dog.

Seems reasonable to me.

 

[Tennis_tennis]

thanks dude. good information