How to get the "click" on super topspin shots?

#1
I noticed that some people can hit extreme topspin and have that weird "click" sound in the strings. It's hard to describe but rather than a pop, it's like a click. You can emulate this sound by holding the racket with the frame facing the ground and bouncing the ball. While this is not especially useful but I am just interested. Btw, I do not have much of a problem hitting topspin on normal shots. I prefer to use an extreme sw grip close to western because I tend to grind points far behind the baseline.
 
#3
Had to read the OP a couple of times to imagine, what was the question.

If I hit a serve for instance right at the top of the string bed, off sweet spot the sound is kind of a blingish click.

Due that, I thing they may be hitting it really close the bottom rim or atleast below center to get that sound produced, unless the tension is really high. And the face react to the momentum of the contact covering the ball more during contact.

My tension is 25-27 kg and don’t usually hit the high note on groundies, yet they still spin quite much compared to my peers. Could be also relative to the frame type.


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Actually, the only time I hear the "click" sound is from a chop stroke. If you take a full cut at the ball, you will not hear it. You will either get a whipping sound of a hard slice or kicker serve. Or you will here a sound of a canon.

The click, imho, comes from a chop stroke like a partial serve motion on a slice serve or a chop volley. In addition, it's probably gut, sgut or some other "locked" stringbed where the strings move but they do not snap back in place.
 
#8
I've hit a few with some futures / challenger level players at my club, so I have a nice picture of where we all are (recreational players).

I play with Babolat APD original and RPM Blast, and there's a time of the year when I'm in the zone and can hit my forehand as hard as I can and it will go in easily. And my opponent (recreational player) can be standing in the middle of the court, there's no chance that he'll get to it.
The clicking sound you describe is something that I can produce only when I get a short ball on the net and want to send it over the net with heavy spin. That's a situation when I can hit with spin (more of a brush) and not power. When you want power, the only thing you'll hear is the loud POP. And it's the same when you want both.

The reason I've mentioned those challenger level players is because I've played with THIS GUY and hit a nice slice down the right line, which bounced 10 - 15 inches of the ground, and the guy just picked it up around the service line with so much power and spin (like you wouldn't believe) and the POP was so loud... Oh, and the ball landed cross court two feet inside the baseline. I was in awe. But there was no clicking in any of his strokes, just the bangs and the pops... So I was much more happy when we've played doubles against the guys that I usully play against in some tight matches. The score was 6-0, 6-0 and he didn't even break a sweat...
 
#9
The reason I've mentioned those challenger level players is because I've played with THIS GUY and hit a nice slice down the right line, which bounced 10 - 15 inches of the ground, and the guy just picked it up around the service line with so much power and spin (like you wouldn't believe) and the POP was so loud... Oh, and the ball landed cross court two feet inside the baseline. I was in awe. But there was no clicking in any of his strokes, just the bangs and the pops... So I was much more happy when we've played doubles against the guys that I usully play against in some tight matches. The score was 6-0, 6-0 and he didn't even break a sweat...
And what was that guy doing to get such pop?
 
#11
I've hit a few with some futures / challenger level players at my club, so I have a nice picture of where we all are (recreational players).

I play with Babolat APD original and RPM Blast, and there's a time of the year when I'm in the zone and can hit my forehand as hard as I can and it will go in easily. And my opponent (recreational player) can be standing in the middle of the court, there's no chance that he'll get to it.
The clicking sound you describe is something that I can produce only when I get a short ball on the net and want to send it over the net with heavy spin. That's a situation when I can hit with spin (more of a brush) and not power. When you want power, the only thing you'll hear is the loud POP. And it's the same when you want both.

The reason I've mentioned those challenger level players is because I've played with THIS GUY and hit a nice slice down the right line, which bounced 10 - 15 inches of the ground, and the guy just picked it up around the service line with so much power and spin (like you wouldn't believe) and the POP was so loud... Oh, and the ball landed cross court two feet inside the baseline. I was in awe. But there was no clicking in any of his strokes, just the bangs and the pops... So I was much more happy when we've played doubles against the guys that I usully play against in some tight matches. The score was 6-0, 6-0 and he didn't even break a sweat...
I can relate, when I played a very high level player a few weeks back it was the same, when he hit the ball well you could hear the POP thats more like a cannon sound, very deep sound and loud sound, when you hear that you know its a very heavy ball.
And the ball has so much energy and spin into it, its not that its just a ball traveling fast through the air like when you watch some UTR10-11 junior girls and they hit fast balls, its a completely different ball, it has so much action and spin and bends so hard into the court and explodes so hard with so much energy into you.
 
#12
When playing worn out dinks, you can more easily find the same sound map on lower rhs, but on fresh balls you need to really have pace on your swing to make it happen.

Mostly, when I play with my peers here, there is decent pop on the ball, but it still is way behind the pro-level ofcourse. Our fastest groundies travel around 80-85 mph. However, if you watch people by ITF-Juniors ranking TOP-5 play, it does not necessarily sound that much different in the beginning of a match. But when they have adapted and mapped their opponents and got ready to play for the win, then it really steps up. And in practice they really hit hard.

Been watching court side right next to the sidelines few leagues between players above ATP-#400 and Juniors TOP-10 playing each other.
 
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#13
if i'm interpretting the question/sound right...
the "click" that i'm thinking about comes from a heavily deflected shot - eg. heavy topspin lob
that said, i don't want to hear "click" i want to hear "pop" :p
 
#14
If theres no pop its not a heavy ball.
Alot of spin and brush but no plowthrough.
Pop is better
If u listen to fed or nadal hit its a cannon like sound
I sat first row watching fed, Rafa and other top pro players in match play and there were very few shots that made cannon like sound. I heard that on 1st serves and when they received a weak ball or sitter then there would be a base sound. But other than that it was much more of a cutting sound or brushing sound.

Fed did make more of the as you say cannon like sound than the other players but it’s only occasionally not all the time. Many fans hang out at the practice courts so they can watch the pro’s up close, but that’s not the same as watching them in match play.
 

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I sat first row watching fed, Rafa and other top pro players in match play and there were very few shots that made cannon like sound. I heard that on 1st serves and when they received a weak ball or sitter then there would be a base sound. But other than that it was much more of a cutting sound or brushing sound.

Fed did make more of the as you say cannon like sound than the other players but it’s only occasionally not all the time. Many fans hang out at the practice courts so they can watch the pro’s up close, but that’s not the same as watching them in match play.
+1

I too had that pleasure, and the "brush" sound is more amplified and palpable than from what you hear on the television.

For me, it's the "brush" sound that identifies the level of top spin.
 
#17
I sat first row watching fed, Rafa and other top pro players in match play and there were very few shots that made cannon like sound. I heard that on 1st serves and when they received a weak ball or sitter then there would be a base sound. But other than that it was much more of a cutting sound or brushing sound.

Fed did make more of the as you say cannon like sound than the other players but it’s only occasionally not all the time. Many fans hang out at the practice courts so they can watch the pro’s up close, but that’s not the same as watching them in match play.
Well yea, when hitting rally balls they obviously swing at 80-90%, only when they really swing out fully do you hear more of that.
 
#18
Well yea, when hitting rally balls they obviously swing at 80-90%, only when they really swing out fully do you hear more of that.
I don’t think that their rally shots would be at 90%. I’m not sure that they swing at 90% or higher very often, but that would be hard to determine for sure. I don’t think it would make that much of a different sound wether they are swinging at 70% or 90%. The deeper sound come from them hitting through the ball more and not brushing as much.
 
#19
Many people think that the pro players are all about smashing the ball as hard as they can but in real match play it is not like that very often. I was lucky enough to sit 1st row for a couple of days at Cincinnati a few years ago and watched most of the top players.

I was surprised that it is much more of a chess match than it is a ball bashing contest. My wife and I were both surprised that the power they hit on most shots was not that overwhelming as we would have thought. What was more impressive was the angles they could hit, they would gradually work their opponents off the court enough to produce an opening.

Plus their shots do not land near as deep as many think with the majority landing within 5’ of the service line. They used what some call smart angles like 5263 talks about more than raw power. When sitting that close you can hear the tremendous amount of brush that they put on the ball. To be honest their average rally speed didn’t seem that much faster than some 5.0 level players hit.

Like I said the only times I would notice the big cannon sound was on first serves or sitters they could line up and rip. They are not trying to blast every shot and win with just power like so many rec players try and do.
 
#20
I don’t think that their rally shots would be at 90%. I’m not sure that they swing at 90% or higher very often, but that would be hard to determine for sure. I don’t think it would make that much of a different sound wether they are swinging at 70% or 90%. The deeper sound come from them hitting through the ball more and not brushing as much.
Idunno, like u said, hard to say.
Utr 12/13 guy i played 2 weeks ago said his rally ball is 80% swing speed and aggresive attack or short ball 90-100%

But those are just his rough estimates.

But i agree with ur last part, more through means more BAM.
 
#21
Top-50 at least, maybe like 200 on the tour hit rally balls in a match that are not even close to their max, I'd say 75-85 % with accuracy and pace, that averages 80 mph. So, if you take, there are few bad shots and lobs or drops in the mix, how fast they hit in general with their 80%. Yeah, really hard.
 
#22
Top-50 at least, maybe like 200 on the tour hit rally balls in a match that are not even close to their max, I'd say 75-85 % with accuracy and pace, that averages 100 mph. So, if you take, there are few bad shots and lobs or drops in the mix, how fast they hit in general with their 80%. Yeah, really hard.
Lol their rally ball averages nowhere near 100mph, what are you smoking?

The average groundstroke speeds are around 65-80mph mostly.

But I agree that their rally strokes are 70-80% and thats better than 90% because they can place the ball on a dime with that swing speed and can build the point and get the opponent moving or off court and then inject abit more pace into the open court etc
 
#23
Oops, had to check that. Respectively 80. Had the math wrong, cause I live in meter-world.

However, now that we are on the map. They hit rally shots about 80 % or less of the speed, they can produce. If rec player did the same, what would the effect be... Just asking.
 
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