How to hit the back hand overhead.

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HOW TO HIT THE BACK HAND OVERHEAD:


BY Kiteboard:

The backhand overhead is generally thought to be the most difficult shot in tennis to master. But, like any other shot, it’s a matter of the right technique. Most people deal with it by abbreviating their follow through and hitting the shot even with their dominant shoulder, which is a whole shoulder width too late. The ideal contact point is a whole shoulder width in front of the body. Think of your fh oh, and where you hit it in relation to your shoulder. It’s in front, even with your non dom. Shoulder, right? You point to the ball with your left hand and hit to the spot you are pointing towards with your left hand, in front of your left shoulder. If you were to hit the fh oh, as late as most people hit their bh oh, you would be hitting the ball way back even with your right shoulder, and abbreviate your follow through, and hit mostly angled fh oh with little to no power, and it would be a touch shot only, just like most bh oh are hit today. Even two handers should learn to hit the bh oh with one hand. Do you see anybody hitting the fh oh with two hands? No. Why is that? The range of full motion is not available with two hands on the racquet when the ball is above your head. The second hand stops full follow through.

THE FIRST STEP: READ THE LOB: The first step is to read your opponent’s lob to your back hand side. We are all taught to lob to the backhand side if possible, as that is the most difficult shot in tennis to execute properly. How many times have you hit a great volley at the net, only to see the lob going over to your back hand side? The quicker you read a shot, the faster you can react to it. It’s almost a math equation: The speed of the read times the speed of your reaction is equal to a winning response and a successful answer to the question your opponent is asking of you.

THE SECOND STEP: REACTION TO THE LOB: The second step is to react quickly to the lob over your backhand side. Footwork: Your right leg crosses over to the left side and stomps down, with a heavy drive plant step, which starts your chest and your momentum going backwards, and gets your hips closed off and parallel to the doubles alley sidelines, and turns your body as you begin to back pedal and side step backwards.
It’s key to close off your hips parallel to the sideline, to get a good coil on the shot from the very start, and to give yourself a proper swing path for a fully coiled and accelerated shot. Your left hand holds the stick loosely, thumb at the throat, with the top of the stick pointing straight downwards and the butt of the stick straight upwards pointing at the sky. Your right elbow points straight up at the sky as well as you prepare to hit the shot as you are back pedalling.

THE THIRD STEP: SHOT: You back pedal to a hard rear plant with your left leg, and step into the shot if you have time and space, with your right leg, and rotate your weight and stick with great acceleration forwards, towards the contact point, a full shoulder width in front of your right shoulder, not directly even with your right shoulder as most people are taught to hit it. If you hit your fh overhead the same way, the contact point would be at the rear of your body, behind, at the point where your right shoulder begins. Like any other shot, no coil, no power. No weight transfer, no power. Wrong contact point, the ball goes out. No commitment, no results.

FOLLOW THROUGH: After the contact point, comes the follow through. The follow through is viciously fast, arm barred, with a full weight transfer from rear plant foot to front step foot. Whether you are hitting dtl or cc, the contact point will determine the direction of the shots’ trajectory. If you hit the left side of the ball, the shot will go cc, middle will go dtm, and right side of the ball will go inside out to the opp. Fh. Angle.

SUMMATION: No shot is too difficult with the right technique. Read, react, prepare, plant, forward acceleration on the right contact point of the ball will yield devastating results.
 
Thanks!
I like to approach the net a lot, and so get lobbed to the backhand (much to my benefit!) and if you practice with the right technique, it's really not that hard to do unless it's a deep lob.
 
Its a nice shot to have in your arsenal and looks pretty if you hit it well, but it is so rarely used/needed that I wouldn't recommend spending a lot of time working on it. If you have enough time to wait for the ball, you have time to move over and hit a regular overhead.
 
I LOVE to hit this shot. I think the keys to a great one are turning your back so that it's almost completely facing the net, getting a nice full extension of the arm and snapping the wrsit back and down to bring the ball down into the court.

Oddly enough Id say my backhand overhead is as good or better than my regular overhead.
 
Now naturally, I have to debate....
Kiteboard and his friends are big strong guys!
I"m a whimpy skinny little guy.
They use ebh on their backhand overheads, at least JWill.. does.
I use pure conti volley grip, with a slight EFH, yes, Forehand flavor.
So my backhand overhead is not as strong...due to grip, due to being 5'11" and 148 lbs.
But especially in singles, it's still a one shot putaway, with placement.
In doubles, go directly down the middle, low around service line deep, and get your opponent's to line up in I formation. Once they are blocking each other's shot, you have the whole court to survey...:):)
 
I'll never understand how to generate power on backhand smashes...
It's 100% pronation. I'm actually quite good at this shot and who ever said that being almost fully turned away from the net is a crucial part. Otherwise, you cannot keep your eye on the ball and be able to have a full pronation. If you abbreviate the pronation, then the ball will sail long since you can't snap it down into the box.
 
I wouldn't call my BH overhead a "smash," but I do pretty well with it. I usually can hit it crosscourt and on an especially good day can hit it DTL. If I can get enough angle or get it at the feet of the net person it can be a winner.

In addition to the advice of turning almost backward to the net, I would say it is very important to stop your backward momentum so you are moving forward at contact. I think that's the biggest mistake people make. That, and failing to *try.*

Honestly, I don't think the shot itself is all that hard. You should be able to at least hit the thing defensively and keep the point going.
 
I was playing Chris Cornell jr. at cal, and bounced three bh oh into the stands in one match, near where his family was sitting. I've also bounced three over the back fence in Reno, where the air is thin.
 
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Placement is many, many more times important than speed on the backhand overhead. There's no way in hell you'll hit it as hard as a regular overhead - make good contact and hit it to the open court away from your opponent - use the entire court.
 
I have hit bh oh over 115mph. Has to be hit viciously, like you were hitting someone on these boards with a bh slap karate chop in the adams apple.
 
I usually try to run around and hit a regular overhead. I only hit a BH overhead
as a last resort off of a good lob that I don't have time to run around.
Mechanically, you have better leverage with the regular overhead and can
hit it harder and have more ability to improvise and hit at different contact
points if necessary. A bit like the FH vs the BH and probably one of the
reasons pros don't run around their FH to hit a BH.
 
I was playing Chris Cornell jr. at cal, and put three bh oh into the stands in one match, near where his family was sitting. I've also put three over the back fence in Reno, where the air is thin.

never mind, keep working at it, OP has some good ideas if you read post 1, you will soon stop hitting these shots straight into the stands and over the fence
 
It's 100% pronation. I'm actually quite good at this shot and who ever said that being almost fully turned away from the net is a crucial part. Otherwise, you cannot keep your eye on the ball and be able to have a full pronation. If you abbreviate the pronation, then the ball will sail long since you can't snap it down into the box.

surely you mean supination right? Pronation I can understand for a forehand smash/serve, but for a backhand smash that makes no sense whatsoever.
 
I find that engaging the core at the right time is the key for my backhand smashes. Of course that's true of most shots, so... And are people really breaking out the radar gun to measure the speed of their smashes now?
 
surely you mean supination right? Pronation I can understand for a forehand smash/serve, but for a backhand smash that makes no sense whatsoever.

yep, in relation to serve yea its pronation...I've never thought of pronating on bh smash though.

I thought it was just wrist flick..
 
Like any other shot, no coil, no power. No weight transfer, no power. Wrong contact point, the ball goes out. No commitment, no results.

You aren't hitting a difficult shot in that case. What people mean by the toughest shot in the game is the backhand overhead where the opponent actually forced you to back up some and hit it in the air. The most difficult backhand overheads are hit with pure wrist. If you can get your weight into the shot, you're likely only hitting a high backhand volley. I've rarely had any opportunities to hit a backhand overhead with my weight going forward or with my feet on the ground. If that were the case, I'd simply angle the high backhand volley away or hit a normal overhead.

I have hit bh oh over 115mph. Has to be hit viciously, like you were hitting someone on these boards with a bh slap karate chop in the adams apple.

********. If so, they must've been incredibly easy ones.
 
O yeeeeaaa good luck with that one! Id say if you dont end up in the E.R. then youre on the right track!

Tried it once and whip lashed my head back onto the court so bad I thought it cracked open, finished the tie break in a victory but I had a concussion. My skull felt like it left a dent into the asphalt court. I can still hear the "Crack!" sound it made. My skull hit the ground, with my neck bent back, and it just whipped, I mean really whipped onto the court..... Breath taking loudness. Head squash feeling, compression inside. Hardest I've ever been hit, including many bike wrecks and accidents. It hit on the very strongest part of my skull, the rear bone. I wasn't knocked out, but I wasn't seeing the ball right either! Was playing Wasp Johnny, a prima donna punk who never would p/u balls, made bad calls, etc., so I wasn't about to lose to him no matter how bad I was hurt.
 
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********. If so, they must've been incredibly easy ones.[/QUOTE]

True. Love to hit the easy ones in a flashy way, with extreme power. Sends a message. "I'm stronger than you are. YOu can't do this. You've never seen anyone do this."
 
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Tried it once and whip lashed my head back onto the court so bad I thought it cracked open, finished the tie break in a victory but I had a concussion. My skull felt like it left a dent into the asphalt court. I can still hear the "Crack!" sound it made. My skull hit the ground, with my neck bent back, and it just whipped, I mean really whipped onto the court..... Breath taking loudness. Head squash feeling, compression inside. Hardest I've ever been hit, including many bike wrecks and accidents. It hit on the very strongest part of my skull, the rear bone. I wasn't knocked out, but I wasn't seeing the ball right either! Was playing Wasp Johnny, a prima donna punk who never would p/u balls, made bad calls, etc., so I wasn't about to lose to him no matter how bad I was hurt.

ouch.

Although, I would be awesome if there was a tramopline surface.
 
Now what about the scissor kick bh overhead smash?

Right here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGCQn-PypCA

Not hard... I do it all the time. It's just a running back, jumping overhead.

True. Love to hit the easy ones in a flashy way, with extreme power. Sends a message. "I'm stronger than you are. YOu can't do this. You've never seen anyone do this."

Okay. That explains a lot... But honestly, I think it looks way better when they think they threw up a good lob, you run back a bit for it, jump up, and snap it down and off to the side for a sick winner. The "IN YOUR FACE" athleticism beats the "BOO YEAH" power anyday.


I would take this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGCQn-PypCA
over this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcTyf-PoNzA
any day of the year. The first one just looks so much more beautiful and
 
Tried it once and whip lashed my head back onto the court so bad I thought it cracked open, finished the tie break in a victory but I had a concussion. My skull felt like it left a dent into the asphalt court. I can still hear the "Crack!" sound it made. My skull hit the ground, with my neck bent back, and it just whipped, I mean really whipped onto the court..... Breath taking loudness. Head squash feeling, compression inside. Hardest I've ever been hit, including many bike wrecks and accidents. It hit on the very strongest part of my skull, the rear bone. I wasn't knocked out, but I wasn't seeing the ball right either! Was playing Wasp Johnny, a prima donna punk who never would p/u balls, made bad calls, etc., so I wasn't about to lose to him no matter how bad I was hurt.

Wow I can only imagine how much that must have hurt. Unfortunately you serve as the example for why one shouldnt try that shot.
 
My backhand overheads improved 100% after I watched a Wegner tape where he gives a demo and some advice. Try this: point the butt of the racquet at the ball as you prepare (find the ball with the butt of the racquet, as Wegner says). Couple of additional things I do are to cradle the racquet head with my non-dominant hand during preparation, and execute the stroke in a very relaxed way with contact in a little in front of the body. I can get reasonable pace, but it's definitely not as explosive as my regular overhead.
 
1. full body turn, make sure your shoulders are fully turned, so the chest is facing the back fence.

2. the kinetic chain - legs drive -> shoulder turn -> elbow leads the hand going up (racket swings up on edge) -> wrist snap (supernating).

3. you hit UP on the smash. (beginners try to press the ball down).
 
What helped my BH overhead is a grip change.

Initially I was trying to hit it with the Continental grip (which - who knows - could still be the right one). I switched to EBH, and here is why.

When you hit your forehand smash with the Continental grip, you do it because you add pronation, just like with serves. However, adding supination to backhand smashes was much more difficult, and just was not worth the hassle - the wrist is not as flexible on supination, you do not get much more mph, so why bother?

With EBH you will not hit bombs, but the shot will be relatively hard and relatively stable, which is more than enough given the difficulty of the shot.
 
yes, driving the with the buttcap of the racquet is a good way to think of it
and many instructors have taught it this way for a long time.

here is a good example of a BH overhead and situation where
you'd have to use it.

Fast forward to 2:08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcT9CphRG_I

I haven't tried actually pronating yet for this one, but sounds interesting, I might add some pronation to it. but I use EBH for this shot with slice and it works pretty much most of the time I get it
over the net.

But I don't want to hit it too flat or it might hit the tape, that's the
scary thing about trying to hit it hard from an awkward position
so pronation up instead might be the key... You just want to get it back into play really because you're hitting it from a pretty
difficult high position. It's impressive when you're close up at net
and you have to stretch up high make that kind of shot like in
doubles. Its fun for that.
 
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since I can't hit a FH over head for my life (unless it bounces first but not counting that) BH over head is actually better for me because I can get it in lol

will work on this

thanks KB :)
 
Do you mean supination?
I assume he does. I hit a good BH overhead - I got it from playing squash many year ago and I still practice it against a wall. Supination is the key to it imo - and making sure you get it out in front before it gets directly overhead.
 
HOW TO HIT THE BACK HAND OVERHEAD:
BY Kiteboard:

The backhand overhead is generally thought to be the most difficult shot in tennis to master.
The backhand serve is even more difficult. It is so difficult that even the pros don't try to hit it, even though in ping-pong it's not hard at all. And yet, if someone did learn to serve backhanded he'd probably dominate the competition (the backhand being the more natural shot and all that).
 
???????? They think, as I line up, toss to my bh, and smack a 100mph ace dtl ad side for a winner. Wtf? You should see the look on their faces, it's too funny.
 
The backhand serve is even more difficult. It is so difficult that even the pros don't try to hit it, even though in ping-pong it's not hard at all. And yet, if someone did learn to serve backhanded he'd probably dominate the competition (the backhand being the more natural shot and all that).

You're right, I've never seen a pro serve backhand before.
 
I assume he does. I hit a good BH overhead - I got it from playing squash many year ago and I still practice it against a wall. Supination is the key to it imo - and making sure you get it out in front before it gets directly overhead.
Try to use intensively the wrist ulnar deviation as well. It really helps to produce huge power, at least for me.:)
But you have to use eastern backhand grip.:confused:
 
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It's radial deviation for a bh oh. Not ulnar. Ulnar is the other direction, used for a normal serve.
It’s ulnar deviation. See picture below please.
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If you play badminton, it will help you a lot at this shot. You do alot of backhand smashes in badminton, it'll set the core fundamentals down for the shot in tennis. Granted it takes some getting used to, but nonetheless works well.
 
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