Hall of Fame
If winning is so easy we will soon have some new Big4 to cheer for
Read it again like I said no will mind a servebots winning once in a while butlol, that would first and foremost enhance the serve.
as if there were not already enough servebots marching towards the top of the ranking list.
only the big 3-4-5 prevented the servebots so far, but last Wimbledon Anderson and Isner made the semis.Read it again like I said no will mind a servebots winning once in a while but
pushers dont like faster balls or conditions eg. Nadal at ATP Finals.
Serving consistently for 5 sets in a Slam is not that easy even for a servebot
vs todays racquets which favor returns and passing shots to a higher degree
most of the promising younger players have a game that is centered around the serveBut only very few have serves like Raonic. A serve like Del Potro or Berdych serve is largely returnable even on fast courts.
that's what the ATP is already trying to do since the beginning of the year.Make the top 500 earn okay money
damn, and i was really wondering how somebody can suggest to use lighter balls.Tennis only seems to need 'saving' when Nadal and Djokovic are winning all of the slams.
No homogenization has prevented servebots winning slams consistentlyonly the big 3-4-5 prevented the servebots so far, but last Wimbledon Anderson and Isner made the semis.
i have no issues with using the terms 'servebot' and 'pusher' lighthearted, but
there are simply a lot of tall guys with competent movement and a big serve, who don't attract a wider audience.
looking at Nadal as a 'pusher' is ridiculous
and if you use the term only for his YEC or so, then i have to ask you: who are the pushers? what is the problem?
No the selfie gens dont have the consistently strong serving of the top guysmost of the promising younger players have a game that is centered around the serve
and almost all of them possess at least a strong serve.
making the balls lighter across the tour would not make tennis more attractive, but the exact opposite.
the other poster probably believes that it would bring volley game back, but it would do that only very small scale.
it would first and foremost make the serve even more dominant.
Nah i like long ralliesWell yeah, it forces the guy hitting the 5th shot to have to go for a winner. If the other guy gets it back the the point is over.
I mean 5 shots is good enough. After 5 strokes, I know who will win the point regardless the length of the rally.
When the US produce better players which is not likely because tennis is not a top 5 sport in the US and barely in the top 10 at number 10.Well tennis is doing great because of the big 3, but after them , i dont know, there are no exiciting players. But atp is guilt on this. I think they wanted to create superheroes that win in every surface so they killed the features of which surface, you cant win wimbledon by serve and volley anymore! What i think they should do:
- Grass and hardcourt should comeback to be faster again , not hugely fast, but where news type of plays can work , like agressive baseliners , serve and volley etc . We only see pusher etc but it is not their fault , if they do something different they will lose, we need more variety . Clay we can leave as it is high bounce and slow as clay should be.
- to prevent servebot to thrive , we should create limitations on the racket technology , maybe limitation on the size and the polystring used, i think formula 1 they have these kind of rules, so it is not unfair. So create rules about rackets it is not far fetched.
- we need to discuss length of the game. As the game is more and more physical , 4 hours plus can destroy a player body, mayer and nishikori played 5 setters in this FO and
They were detroyed in the next round, and we have seen a lot of injuries in players , even youngers players. I know it is tricky but we could change the deuce rule (40-40 the next point closes the game) or 6-6 normal tiebreak in the 5th set. It is hard to call new fans saying well , you need 4 hours to watch this match. ( And of course enforce the serve clock rule)
I think we need mostly more variety ,not a bunch of grinders or a bunch of servebots but we can reach a middle ground .
None because the Big 3 are still playing, the question was after the Big 3.Why are people complaining about servebots? How many big tournaments have been won by servebots in the last 10 years? (an actual response would be interesting)
Oh, and no towel between points.
Gilles Simon pushed his way past Servebot AndersonWhy are people complaining about servebots? How many big tournaments have been won by servebots in the last 10 years? (an actual response would be interesting)
Oh, and no towel between points.
Even after the big 3, who are the servebots right now? Isner, Anderson, Raonic? Isner and Anderson are as close to retiring as Nadal or Djokovic, and Raonic is injured so often he might retire before them.None because the Big 3 are still playing, the question was after the Big 3.
it has been Anderson's first tourney after a longer injury break,Gilles Simon pushed his way past Servebot Anderson
Nicolas Mahut used an old style all court game to beat in form Stan the Man
Grass is a great surface, we need more of it but Simon beating Anderson
shows clearly baseline pushery with todays homogenization is the norm.
That's the show court that greets visitors at the Hall of Fame in Newport. Not really for playing matches, but a rather groovy glimpse of a yester-year setting. When the pros are in town to play the little tourney there (right after Wimbledon), the organizers have folks play low speed doubles on that "horseshoe court" for an hour in the morning dressed in old-fashioned garb and they play with wood racquets.Wow, that’s a lot of space behind the baseline..
Raonic , Zverev , Khachanov , Medvedev , Berrettini.Even after the big 3, who are the servebots right now?
A Zverev, Fokina and a few more in the selfi gen but Mannarino vs Thompson was perhaps the biggest push fest of 2019it has been Anderson's first tourney after a longer injury break,
but yes, grass tennis has become onedimensional.
Simon is an old player and Bautista is past 30 as well.
the only young pusher prospect so far is Boric, or who else is there?
Zverev is a servebot. All he has is a good serve and forehand. He cant move or volley. The younger generation are nothing but a bunch of ball bashers. It is so bad when grass tennis starts to look like clay tennis.Even after the big 3, who are the servebots right now? Isner, Anderson, Raonic? Isner and Anderson are as close to retiring as Nadal or Djokovic, and Raonic is injured so often he might retire before them.
Anyway, Isner has 1 GS SF and 2 QF, and he's 1-4 in M1000 finals. Anderson has 2 GS Finals (how did this happen), and 0 M1000 finals. Raonic has 1 GS F and 2 SF, and is 0-3 in M1000 finals. It's true that the big 3 won most if not all of these matches.
Obviously it's impossible to say who would have won these matches/tournaments had the big 3 not been there, but with some strong optimism let's say the servebots would may have won these matches/tournaments. So the 3 most successful servebots of the past 13 years (Anderson and Isner had their debut GS in 2007) would have - over the course of 13 years - won maybe 4 or 5 grand slams, and maybe 7 M1000. 5 out of 50 GS is 10%, and 8 out of 117 just about 7%.
Are we really going to start complaining about a small group of players winning less than 10% of the biggest tournaments in the world? Had the big 3 not been around, Ferrer would likely have picked up a bunch of these tournaments anyway. As much as I'd rather watch paint dry than see Isner play on TV (in person his game is impressive tbh), servebots' contribution to tennis is completely overblown right now.
(Mannarino is +30.)A Zverev, Fokina and a few more in the selfi gen but Mannarino vs Thompson was perhaps the biggest push fest of 2019
Apart from Raonic and to a lesser extent Kyrgios, I wouldn't really consider any of these players servebots. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I wouldn't put Zverev in here either, but I don't particularly like his game anyway.Raonic , Zverev , Khachanov , Medvedev , Berrettini.
other players with a (very) dominant serve are Kyrgios, Aulassime, Tsitsipas.
you might change your view when they regularly play eachother in GS finals.Apart from Raonic and to a lesser extent Kyrgios, I wouldn't really consider any of these players servebots. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
noone does!Pmasterfunk said:I wouldn't put Zverev in here either, but I don't particularly like his game anyway.
She practises her poses tucking her stomach in for selfies and friends warn her of click time.omfg...........is she victim of family violence or something or ufc-ed for fun:?))).............bruises all over her body....................
man dat's scary from her chest rib down............only saw those bruises from punch/kick victims or ufc fighters right after the fight.....................She practises her poses tucking her stomach in for selfies and friends warn her of click time.
Sure she did have great proportions and sweet face when she was halve her age albeit a little
of Mike Tyson genes making their way on her face but now the blotchy bruised and aweful skin
is like Chernobyl food made its way daily into her gut or was involved in a fight club on the side.