How to set your racquet up like an ATP pro

tennis_nerd22 said:
one sec, i'd be careful to believe this post guys. he's a new user, and this was his only post, travlerajm might have made up the new user... just be careful

He has made up several ones before I am pretty sure! So this guy went from a nobody to a great player in a week after reading about the formulas. You better believe it! There was another new guy prasing him, etc.

travelerajm: you have great ideas, but you are losing credibility with these phony avatars.
 
Traveljam,

I've tried to Depolarization on O3 tour MP to see if it would help me in how I could serve. I'll confess that I did some rounding on numbers based on the lead and swingweights I had available. But I did not really see the benefit I was hoping (though I'll agree it made volleys more stable/powerful) in that I can really only hit looping 2nd serves well, but feel I have to "overmuscle" it to hit aggressive serves flat or w/ spin.

Anyway, I think my normal setup on the SRD tour ended up being polarized b/c of the grip building and counterweighting.

I'll give it another try w/ a bucket of balls, but if that doesn't improve, I want to try to create a depolarization setup. Do you have any #s or formulas for how much we should add?

Rough handed, I was going to add 12gms to the head and 6gms under the overgrip as a start. But that's based again on what I have available (3gm swingweights)!


Thanks.
 
@traveljam
I also did your customisation.
Racquet: Head pro tour 630
M=13,474
I added 8grams at 3 & 9 (2 layers)
m=12,346
m´=1,129
Balance point is: r=13,03in

So what happened ist that i get a very little r´.
r´= 0,415 in

I wrapped 1,13oz in the 0,415 area which is the whole weight in the butt end.
At the end it feels good and very head light.

Did i make everything right and which racquet is similar to these spec.??

Thanks for your answer.

@ACK4wd: thanks for the information
 
Depolarization is an interesting exercise. I used it to create some nice setups, but each time, there was always a minor drawback (for me it was usually the spin serve, which I could never get quite right). So I've moved on and found a better formula with a more polarized, higher relative twistweight, pro-style setup. Here are details of my favorite setup:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=106736
 
gerli said:
@traveljam
I also did your customisation.
Racquet: Head pro tour 630
M=13,474
I added 8grams at 3 & 9 (2 layers)
m=12,346
m´=1,129
Balance point is: r=13,03in

So what happened ist that i get a very little r´.
r´= 0,415 in

I wrapped 1,13oz in the 0,415 area which is the whole weight in the butt end.
At the end it feels good and very head light.

Did i make everything right and which racquet is similar to these spec.??

Thanks for your answer.

@ACK4wd: thanks for the information

It sounds like there is an error in you calculations. Sorry, but I don't know the specs of your stock frame in order to help you.
 
travlerajm said:
It sounds like there is an error in you calculations. Sorry, but I don't know the specs of your stock frame in order to help you.

Hello!
My stock weight is 12,063 with a balance point of 12,76 in.
 
gerli said:
Hello!
My stock weight is 12,063 with a balance point of 12,76 in.

m = 12.063 + 8/28.35 = 12.35 oz.
r = (12.063*12.76 + (8/28.35)*20.25)/(12.35) = 12.93".

Let's say you want a 13 oz. static weight, then M = 13.0.

R = 44.57/sqrt(13) = 12.36".

m' = M - m = 0.64 oz.

r' = (MR - mr)/m' = (13*12.36 - 12.35*12.93)/0.64 = 1.55"

Hmm, maybe your calc was correct. That means that your stick is very unique in that it already has a pro-style balance point unlike most stock racquets. This weighting technique would actually be considered "polarizing" for your racquet (but that's not necessarily a bad thing).
 
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Travlerajm - Just wanted to give you feedback.

Short answer - thank you very much travlerajm for the good advice about why, where and how much weight to add to customize my racquet. It worked out great well for me.

Long answer - It worked out well because I followed all of his postings about racquet physics. So I surrendered some spin potential because I added weight to de-polarized balance, but I compensated by getting a larger (104sqin) more open stringbed (16x1 8 ). The racquet is not as flexible as recommended, but it was what I wanted. I also brought my grip size down from a size. Serves were sensational - they boomed and didn't spray like usual. (This for a 3.0 with a tendency to double fault was huge) The other part that was great was that there was still plenty of spin available when I needed it.

13 ozs wasn't as heavy as I thought. I was able to play 2 sets without problem.

As for the grip part. I measured the amount & weight of plastic "goop" with the fishing weights and dropped them into the cotton balls I stuffed the weights and poured the goop at the appropriate balance point. Waited 24 hrs for it to dry. Didn't have to remove the grip, shave down nor build up any grip.

It was an inexpensive experiment that worked. It has become a fast favorite.

Thank you for your time to reply and help travlerajm.
 
Just did a mod on a 300g that was m=12.6 (including recommended 3&9 weight) balance pt of 12" (and about 12pts HL). M = 13.0
After doing the calculation, r'= 23.6 That's about .4 oz @ 2:00 and 10:00...Is it typical to add the weight to the hoop with your formula?
 
louis netman said:
Just did a mod on a 300g that was m=12.6 (including recommended 3&9 weight) balance pt of 12" (and about 12pts HL). M = 13.0
After doing the calculation, r'= 23.6 That's about .4 oz @ 2:00 and 10:00...Is it typical to add the weight to the hoop with your formula?

That won't work because it will push the swingweight up too high. It means that the 300g has too much mass near the butt to customize with a depolarized setup.

I'd suggest instead trying the customization procedure in my more recent thread.
 
Dear Travlerajm. Im so sorry you're formula's haveseriously miffed me if you have the time please please e-mail me on forrest.jonny@gmail.com honestly i really want to try this but im just confused now.

Thanks alot man.

Yours Sincerely
JF..
 
negative r'

Ive plugged in my numbers at least 5 times and continue to get a negative value for r'. If anyone could tell me if Im making a mistake, I would appreciate it. Here are my values for my liquidmetal radical mp. I have 6 g total at 3 and 9 (3 g per side), protective head tape, a vibe dampener, and an overgrip. All told, this setup is 1 pt. headlight (13.375 balance point), total weight of 11.95 oz (338.4 g), and a desired weight of 12.5 oz. Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks and take care.
 
If more mass in the head area would equal more speed on the ball why not just get a racquet that is swingweight heavy (13.0 oz) and head heavy?
 
travler- I have a question...I have my flexpoint prestige mp 98", 4-5/8 grip, 12oz strung. This is my current custom setup: Volkl leather grip, wilson pro overgrip, and 10g of lead at 3 and 9. It plays right around 13oz, and is around 10 pts head light. Is this a setup that is condusive to success? It feels good, but with all of your math and science behind your ideas, I have lost confidence in my setup...Let me know, thanks a lot.
 
BigServer1 said:
travler- I have a question...I have my flexpoint prestige mp 98", 4-5/8 grip, 12oz strung. This is my current custom setup: Volkl leather grip, wilson pro overgrip, and 10g of lead at 3 and 9. It plays right around 13oz, and is around 10 pts head light. Is this a setup that is condusive to success? It feels good, but with all of your math and science behind your ideas, I have lost confidence in my setup...Let me know, thanks a lot.

That setup is very similar to a typical ATP pro setup. If it feels good, stick with it.
 
Fist said:
Ive plugged in my numbers at least 5 times and continue to get a negative value for r'. If anyone could tell me if Im making a mistake, I would appreciate it. Here are my values for my liquidmetal radical mp. I have 6 g total at 3 and 9 (3 g per side), protective head tape, a vibe dampener, and an overgrip. All told, this setup is 1 pt. headlight (13.375 balance point), total weight of 11.95 oz (338.4 g), and a desired weight of 12.5 oz. Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks and take care.

It just means that your stock racquet has a longer balance point that most players' racquets. I would try adding the 0.55 oz to the buttcap region if you want to maximize spin, or add it along the handle if you want a more solid and powerful feel. The end result will be 2-3 pts more HH than the average pro balance, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I've shown in another thread that pros with more HH balance points tend to have better rankings. Your new setup will be very similar to the Agassi setup!

I'd be very curious to hear how it plays - I haven't tried the Agassi setup yet because I don't own a stock players frame that has a light enough handle to be set up that HH without making the swingweight humongous.
 
what does * mean?

thanks for the information even though it doesnt quite make sense to me that a racket that starts 2 points head light is "too balanced" already to meet the needs of the formula. anyway, was wondering what the * meant in your other formula. yes, I posted it on that thread yesterday or the day before, but received no answer. thanks again.
 
travlerajm said:
The ATP pro landscape is becoming more polarized. What I mean by this is that the ATP tour used to be the exclusive realm of players who played heavy racquets with low moment of inertia. Today, most pros still use the classic depolarized setup. But we are now witnessing the dawn of the “polarizer.” Polarizers use racquet setups with more polarized weight distributions - i.e., weight distributed more toward the ends.

The polarized setup is used by players like Federer, Nadal, and Davydenko. Polarized setups have very low hitting weight to swingweight ratio. Because of the relatively low hitting weight, lower tension is required to compensate for the power deficit. The advantage of this type of setup is increased spin. So polarized setups are required to hit the ultra-sharp angles that Federer is known for (According to Greg Raven’s site, Fed’s racquet has a higher swingweight than a retail Tour 90, but it’s static weight is the same. It is therefore more polarized than the retail version). And Nadal’s polarized setup (15 grams under his bumper plus 5 grams in the butt) help him generate the tremendous spins that have helped him to dominate the clay court circuit.

Im 14 and play from the base line with heavy spin. DO you think a polarized setup would be for me? when you say there tension is low, how many lbs are you talking about?

Thanks

Lloyd
 
Wow I just added about an ounce of lead to my pog mid and my groundstrokes have never felt better. I think it slowed my fast swing down to a more comfortable and consistent speed. I'm having troubles getting racquet head speed on the serve though. My serve felt like I am almost arming the ball more. I just couldn't get that smack feel like i could before.

I added i think 16 inches of lead(.5") in the trapdoor buttcap, and lead all around the hoop about 34inches worth (basically one layer all the way around the inner hoop). I'm surprised how I am able to handle the weight as I'm not very strong (5'9: 145lbs).

I think the balance is around 12 3/8ths and i'm guessing i'm weighing in around 13 ounces (nothing to measure with but I have an wilson pro overgrip on it).

The biggest improvement were the defensive shots, I was able use the squash shot, buggy whip and slice with very good placement and depth on the defensive.

Taking balls on the rise and right off the bounce were also a bit easier. Ball seemed to stay deep most of the time and not deflect or mishit.

My topspin didn't look like there were as many revs, but it looked like the ball was dipping more and kicking up higher. I don't know how to explain that, maybe I am just seeing things.

Travlerajm, do you think I should take some weight away from the bottom of the hoop as it feels like my serve is lacking. Spin and kick suits me the best so I was thinking a polarized setup would benefit my game.
 
takeuchi said:
Wow I just added about an ounce of lead to my pog mid and my groundstrokes have never felt better. I think it slowed my fast swing down to a more comfortable and consistent speed. I'm having troubles getting racquet head speed on the serve though. My serve felt like I am almost arming the ball more. I just couldn't get that smack feel like i could before.

I added i think 16 inches of lead(.5") in the trapdoor buttcap, and lead all around the hoop about 34inches worth (basically one layer all the way around the inner hoop). I'm surprised how I am able to handle the weight as I'm not very strong (5'9: 145lbs).

I think the balance is around 12 3/8ths and i'm guessing i'm weighing in around 13 ounces (nothing to measure with but I have an wilson pro overgrip on it).

The biggest improvement were the defensive shots, I was able use the squash shot, buggy whip and slice with very good placement and depth on the defensive.

Taking balls on the rise and right off the bounce were also a bit easier. Ball seemed to stay deep most of the time and not deflect or mishit.

My topspin didn't look like there were as many revs, but it looked like the ball was dipping more and kicking up higher. I don't know how to explain that, maybe I am just seeing things.

Travlerajm, do you think I should take some weight away from the bottom of the hoop as it feels like my serve is lacking. Spin and kick suits me the best so I was thinking a polarized setup would benefit my game.

The heavier ball you are experiencing is due to increased ball flattening. It probably has lots of rpm, but because the dwell time is shorter, it gives you the illusion that it has lower rpm.

A more polarized setup would be worth a try. As a starting point, I would recommend trying two layers of tape 12-inches long stretching across the tip (starting at about 10 o'clock and ending at 2 o'clock), for a total of 12g across the tip. Start be keeping the handle counterweighted the same way you have it now. This will give you about the same swingweight, but it will drop your static weight by 5g which should help your serve kick higher, and it will add a little more spin to your groundies. Test it out, and then fine tune it by adjusting the amount of lead in the hoop by one gram increments. Your groundies may lose a little power, which can be easily remedied with a slight drop in tension.
 
The ATP pro landscape is becoming more polarized. What I mean by this is that the ATP tour used to be the exclusive realm of players who played heavy racquets with low moment of inertia. Today, most pros still use the classic depolarized setup. But we are now witnessing the dawn of the “polarizer.” Polarizers use racquet setups with more polarized weight distributions - i.e., weight distributed more toward the ends.

The polarized setup is used by players like Federer, Nadal, and Davydenko. Polarized setups have very low hitting weight to swingweight ratio. Because of the relatively low hitting weight, lower tension is required to compensate for the power deficit. The advantage of this type of setup is increased spin. So polarized setups are required to hit the ultra-sharp angles that Federer is known for (According to Greg Raven’s site, Fed’s racquet has a higher swingweight than a retail Tour 90, but it’s static weight is the same. It is therefore more polarized than the retail version). And Nadal’s polarized setup (15 grams under his bumper plus 5 grams in the butt) help him generate the tremendous spins that have helped him to dominate the clay court circuit.

While polarized setups are becoming more popular today (especially for slow-court specialists) because of the increased spin potential, the polarized setups have some major disadvantages. The biggest disadvantage of the polarized (low-tension) setup is that it is very difficult to control the trajectory of your shot when the incoming shot has heavy spin. Considering Federer’s low-tension polarized setup, his inability to drive his flat backhand accurately when he plays Nadal should not be surprising. Also, a polarized setup has poor stability and control on volleys. Polarized setups make it more difficult to hit accurate powerful shots unless a heavy spin component is used to control the depth.

Due to these many drawbacks of polarized setups, most pros still opt for classic depolarized setups. It is no coincidence that the best returners in history have all been “depolarizers.” Hewitt, Agassi, Blake, and Courier are/were among the best at stepping in and ripping returns on the rise. As good as Federer and Nadal are, these two polarizers will never be able to drive service returns from inside the baseline like the best depolarizers.

In general, the best serve-and-volleyers have all been depolarizers. As depolarizers like Becker, Edberg, Sampras and Krajicek have shown, the lawns of Wimbledon are perfect for the accurate and penetrating balls that come off the stiff stringbeds of a depolarized racquet. Rafter is a notable exception – his polarized setup allowed him to hit slow, high-bouncing kick serves, giving him time to close tightly on the net. He then used his athleticism to stab passing attempts downward into the court. But Rafter’s springy stringbed was less than ideal for hitting the precision first volleys from shoetop level that were a key to Sampras’ and Becker’s Wimbledon dominance. And Rafter’s loopy serve didn’t bounce as high on grass, making it harder for him to dominate on grass the way he could on speedy high-bouncing hardcourts.

So now on to the main point of this thread…

The following step-by-step procedure will allow you to customize your racquet with a “depolarized” low polar moment of inertia setup so that it plays similarly to the racquets used by the majority of current ATP pros. Pros using this type of setup include Sampras, Agassi, Blake, Roddick, Hewitt, Kiefer, Grosjean, and most greats from past eras.

Procedure for creating the classic “depolarized” pro style racquet setup:

Step 1. Start with a thin-beam stock racquet. A flex rating of 65 or lower will work best. Stiffer platform frames will be excellent for serve-and-volley style, but the spin potential of stiff frames will be severely limited once they are properly leaded up. So I recommend starting with a flexible frame. The starting strung weight can be anywhere between 11 and 12.5 oz. Headsize is not critical.

Step 2. Choose your desired final racquet weight based on your desired style of play. For serve-and-volley style or for an offensive-minded penetrating groundstroke style, I recommend 13.0-13.5 oz. When optimized, a heavier racquet in this range will be best for directional accuracy, especially against hard-hit incoming balls, or against heavy incoming spin. If you would prefer to be a little more defensive-minded or consistency-oriented player, I recommend a static weight closer to 12.5 oz. For best results, I recommend that there is 0.5 to 1.5 oz. between your starting strung weight and your desired final weight.

An aside note: When choosing your playing style, I encourage you to be open-minded, ignore your current strengths and weaknesses, and select the setup of the player you most desire to play like. When I use a well-balanced, Federer-like polarized setup, I find myself going for inside-out sharply angled dipping forehands. When I set my racquet up like Coria, my strokes become loopy and spinny but I feel like it’s impossible to miss. But when I set my racquet up like Blake, I can’t resist going for flat penetrating forehands to the corners. And when I use the Sampras setup, my serve-and-volley confidence shoots skyward. In other words, my racquet setup influences my playing style more than my physical skills do. Unless you have an obvious physical limitation, your game may be more versatile than you think.

Step 3. Add lead at 3 and 9. I recommend adding about 5-10 grams total (about 5 grams for starting stock swingweight of 330, plus an additional gram for every 5 kg-cm^2 drop in stock swingweight below that) with two layers of strips on each side. It is better to use 2 layers of 4" strips than to spread one layer over an 8-inch length because the former will increase swingweight less. Also, significantly better torsional stability can be achieved by putting the lead on the outside of the frame rather than the inside, since the change in moment of inertia about the longitudinal axis is proportional to the square of the distance from added lead to the centerline. Use ¼”-wide strips on each side of the string plane. Eight grams is a rough guideline. The total amount that you add here can be adjusted later when you troubleshoot your setup. But I definitely advise against adding more than 10-12 g at this location, since the swingweight will likely become unmanageable.

Step 4. Measure the new weight and balance of your racquet.

Step 5. Calculate the amount of additional weight to be added using this equation:

m’ = M – m

m’ = additional mass to be added, in ounces.
M = desired final static weight in ounces.
m = static weight measured in step 4, in ounces.

Step 6. Calculate final balance point using this equation:

R = 44.57 / sqrt(M)
R = distance to final balance point from butt end.
M = desired final static weight.

Step 7. Calculate location to add concentrated mass m’ using this equation:

r’ = (MR – mr)/m’
r’ = location of center of mass for m’, in inches from butt end.
r = distance to balance point in inches measured in step 4.

Step 8. Add mass m’ at location r’ by wrapping lead tape around handle (under grip). Make sure that the center of mass for m’ is within 0.1” of location r’. As other racquet technicians such as John Cauthen have correctly noted, the location of this mass is critical to having a high-performance setup. The value for r’ determined by the above equation will optimize the plough-through effect of the racquet for a male player of normal strength. Moving the mass m’ a quarter inch up will likely decrease power due to higher swingweight, while moving it a quarter inch down will likely decrease power due to lower hitting weight. For best results, the total width of the leaded zone centered around r’ should not exceed 1 inch.

Step 9. Adjust tension. This depolarized leaded setup may be higher powered than your regular setup. If so, an increase in string tension will be required to optimize control. For final weights around 12.5 oz., you likely will be fine with the tension that works for you in the stock frame. But for setups over 13.0 oz., an increase of 5 lbs or so will probably be necessary.

Step 10. You are ready for a playtest.

Step 11. Troubleshooting your setup:

If your frame feels overpowered or underpowered, there are two preferred options. The first option is to adjust the string tension. Another option is to adjust the desired final static weight and repeat steps 2 through 8. If your racquet is overpowered, a lower static weight will reduce the power. And if it is underpowered, increasing static weight will help.

You can use the amount of weight at the 3 and 9 region to tune your swingweight. Increasing the weight at the 3 and 9 region will flatten your serve and groundstrokes, while decreasing the weight will add spin. I recommend making these adjustments in 1 gram increments. Also, you might get better results if you repeat steps 2 through 8 after you tweak the amount of lead at 3 and 9.

Lastly: remember that these are just general guidelines to get you started on your way to a sweet feeling setup that will best suit your game. Don’t be afraid to keep tweaking things.

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It is very similar to what I did with my Redondo MP to achieve mass distribution of Wilson Ncode nsix-one 95 and retain sweet feel of Redondo racquet.(check my post in the Redondo Club thread with today`s date)
 
when you say "Use ¼”-wide strips on each side of the string plane. Eight grams is a rough guideline. The total amount that you add here can be adjusted later when you troubleshoot your setup. But I definitely advise against adding more than 10-12 g at this location, since the swingweight will likely become unmanageable."

what location are you talking about? the string plane? where exactly would that be?

Also, so the main differences between a polarized setup (SW2?), and a depolarized setup, is that with a polarized or SW2 setup, the weight is more in the upper hoop around 12, while the depolarized setup is more at 3 and 9?
 
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when you say "Use ¼”-wide strips on each side of the string plane. Eight grams is a rough guideline. The total amount that you add here can be adjusted later when you troubleshoot your setup. But I definitely advise against adding more than 10-12 g at this location, since the swingweight will likely become unmanageable."

what location are you talking about? the string plane? where exactly would that be?
I was referring to the 3 and 9 location. The string plane is the plane of the stringbed.

Also, so the main differences between a polarized setup (SW2?), and a depolarized setup, is that with a polarized or SW2 setup, the weight is more in the upper hoop around 12, while the depolarized setup is more at 3 and 9?

I'd say the primary difference that distinguishes a polarized setup from a depolarized setup is the location of any counterweight in the handle, but ideally, both would be at SW2 (more upper handle for depolarized, more butt for polarized). But leading more at 3 and 9, and less at 12 would also make the setup more depolarized.
 
One major advantage with the polarized setup is the arm-friendlieness it gives the racquet. The other effects are not as "visible" to me.
 
I was referring to the 3 and 9 location. The string plane is the plane of the stringbed.



I'd say the primary difference that distinguishes a polarized setup from a depolarized setup is the location of any counterweight in the handle, but ideally, both would be at SW2 (more upper handle for depolarized, more butt for polarized). But leading more at 3 and 9, and less at 12 would also make the setup more depolarized.

hmmm....im trying to figure out which setup I would want to use. I would think I would want more of a depolarized setup via roddick, safin, blake etc.

So instead of having 4 grams at 3 and 9 and 10 grams at 12 for my SW2 setup, I should have the 10 grams at 3 and 9, and then the 4 grams at 12? I also had around 10 grams at the buttcap on that setup.
 
hmmm....im trying to figure out which setup I would want to use. I would think I would want more of a depolarized setup via roddick, safin, blake etc.

So instead of having 4 grams at 3 and 9 and 10 grams at 12 for my SW2 setup, I should have the 10 grams at 3 and 9, and then the 4 grams at 12? I also had around 10 grams at the buttcap on that setup.

Blake and Safin are using almost opposite setups. Safin is quite polarized, while Blake is very depolarized. Both are at SW2. Keep in mind that you will need to string at higher tension to keep the ball from going long if you choose a depolarized setup.
 
Blake and Safin are using almost opposite setups. Safin is quite polarized, while Blake is very depolarized. Both are at SW2. Keep in mind that you will need to string at higher tension to keep the ball from going long if you choose a depolarized setup.

ahhh.....hmm this whole thing is so interesting....

I guess ill just try out my SW2 setup and see how i like it.

On my Pure Control I have:

10g at buttcap
4g at 3 & 9
10g at 12

weighs in around 12.8 oz
SW of 371

Is this ideal? I dont want be adding much power to the Pure Control...any suggestions?
 
How do I setup polarize racquet for Asian K90 tour?? My style is very similar to federer style. I'd like to try out his setup. I've added 3g at 3 & 9 already. what's next?? should I lower my tension down to 50main 48 cross?? THANKS

Jet Li
 
How do I setup polarize racquet for Asian K90 tour?? My style is very similar to federer style. I'd like to try out his setup. I've added 3g at 3 & 9 already. what's next?? should I lower my tension down to 50main 48 cross?? THANKS

Jet Li

download the spreadsheet, tinker, and read the whole thread....only then will you find enlightenment
 
travlerajm, just i just added lead to my pro's pro triton x1 to make it depolarized and at sw2, i originally had 15 grams at 3 and 9 and 5 at butt, but added 10 at 5.6 inches from butt to try out depolarization again. if i dont like it, will just remove cos this is the last leg of finding my perfect weight setup!!! will let you know
 
Great to hear from you. As a newbie about a month ago, seeing snips of posts from you and John I tried to find information about both of you. I searched posts everywhere to find out how to work with my racquet's. I found a few posts and some of the tips I tried from you really helped my racket work better. I really appreciate your hard work and sharing your ideas with this forum. We know when anyone with new perceived radical information posts you are going to get flack. As a ski tuner, boot fitter and ski/boot alignment specialist I have gotten it all my life but all of the pros use some of this technology which will impove most recreational skiers. If I post on a Ski site lookout for the fallout!

I say start a service, I will send you my racquet's, pay you and report on this forum. I see millions in your future. OK, maybe hundreds but we all can use a buck!

Please email me for your address!
 
Polarized setup : Federer, Nadal, and Davydenko (very low hitting weight to swingweight ratio).

Depolarized setup : Becker, Edberg, Sampras and Krajicek


Are you sure about Boris Becker racquet setup falling in the polarized category? Look at those specs :

Boris Becker 11 Special Edition specs :

Head Size:98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 12.6oz / 357g
Balance: 4pts Head Light
Swingweight: 377
Stiffness: 58

higher swingweight like Soderling / Nadal :

Soderling's Mass : 357 Balance 33.75 Swing : 384 Length : 27
Nadal's 332 33.50 65 355 26-7/8
 
found Yvan Lendl's specs (depolarized) :

Adidas Lendl GTX Pro-T (Bosworth) :

Head size: 80in
Length: 27 in
Strung Weight: 13.7oz / 388g
Balance: 6pts HL
Swingweight: 365
Stiffness: 56
Beam Width: 19.5mm
Composition: Graphite
Grip Type: Suede
String Pattern: 18mains / 18 crosses
Tension: 50 - 60lbs
 
Sampras setup

I would like to set my pure storm tour gt similar to Sampras as far as lead tape amount and locations at 3 and 9 which I could see from photos but have no idea where to put it on the handle to counter balance. Any advice?



The polarized setup is used by players like Federer, Nadal, and Davydenko. Polarized setups have very low hitting weight to swingweight ratio. Because of the relatively low hitting weight, lower tension is required to compensate for the power deficit. The advantage of this type of setup is increased spin. So polarized setups are required to hit the ultra-sharp angles that Federer is known for (According to Greg Raven’s site, Fed’s racquet has a higher swingweight than a retail Tour 90, but it’s static weight is the same. It is therefore more polarized than the retail version). And Nadal’s polarized setup (15 grams under his bumper plus 5 grams in the butt) help him generate the tremendous spins that have helped him to dominate the clay court circuit.

While polarized setups are becoming more popular today (especially for slow-court specialists) because of the increased spin potential, the polarized setups have some major disadvantages. The biggest disadvantage of the polarized (low-tension) setup is that it is very difficult to control the trajectory of your shot when the incoming shot has heavy spin. Considering Federer’s low-tension polarized setup, his inability to drive his flat backhand accurately when he plays Nadal should not be surprising. Also, a polarized setup has poor stability and control on volleys. Polarized setups make it more difficult to hit accurate powerful shots unless a heavy spin component is used to control the depth.

Due to these many drawbacks of polarized setups, most pros still opt for classic depolarized setups. It is no coincidence that the best returners in history have all been “depolarizers.” Hewitt, Agassi, Blake, and Courier are/were among the best at stepping in and ripping returns on the rise. As good as Federer and Nadal are, these two polarizers will never be able to drive service returns from inside the baseline like the best depolarizers.

In general, the best serve-and-volleyers have all been depolarizers. As depolarizers like Becker, Edberg, Sampras and Krajicek have shown, the lawns of Wimbledon are perfect for the accurate and penetrating balls that come off the stiff stringbeds of a depolarized racquet. Rafter is a notable exception – his polarized setup allowed him to hit slow, high-bouncing kick serves, giving him time to close tightly on the net. He then used his athleticism to stab passing attempts downward into the court. But Rafter’s springy stringbed was less than ideal for hitting the precision first volleys from shoetop level that were a key to Sampras’ and Becker’s Wimbledon dominance. And Rafter’s loopy serve didn’t bounce as high on grass, making it harder for him to dominate on grass the way he could on speedy high-bouncing hardcourts.

So now on to the main point of this thread…

The following step-by-step procedure will allow you to customize your racquet with a “depolarized” low polar moment of inertia setup so that it plays similarly to the racquets used by the majority of current ATP pros. Pros using this type of setup include Sampras, Agassi, Blake, Roddick, Hewitt, Kiefer, Grosjean, and most greats from past eras.

Procedure for creating the classic “depolarized” pro style racquet setup:

Step 1. Start with a thin-beam stock racquet. A flex rating of 65 or lower will work best. Stiffer platform frames will be excellent for serve-and-volley style, but the spin potential of stiff frames will be severely limited once they are properly leaded up. So I recommend starting with a flexible frame. The starting strung weight can be anywhere between 11 and 12.5 oz. Headsize is not critical.

Step 2. Choose your desired final racquet weight based on your desired style of play. For serve-and-volley style or for an offensive-minded penetrating groundstroke style, I recommend 13.0-13.5 oz. When optimized, a heavier racquet in this range will be best for directional accuracy, especially against hard-hit incoming balls, or against heavy incoming spin. If you would prefer to be a little more defensive-minded or consistency-oriented player, I recommend a static weight closer to 12.5 oz. For best results, I recommend that there is 0.5 to 1.5 oz. between your starting strung weight and your desired final weight.

An aside note: When choosing your playing style, I encourage you to be open-minded, ignore your current strengths and weaknesses, and select the setup of the player you most desire to play like. When I use a well-balanced, Federer-like polarized setup, I find myself going for inside-out sharply angled dipping forehands. When I set my racquet up like Coria, my strokes become loopy and spinny but I feel like it’s impossible to miss. But when I set my racquet up like Blake, I can’t resist going for flat penetrating forehands to the corners. And when I use the Sampras setup, my serve-and-volley confidence shoots skyward. In other words, my racquet setup influences my playing style more than my physical skills do. Unless you have an obvious physical limitation, your game may be more versatile than you think.

Step 3. Add lead at 3 and 9. I recommend adding about 5-10 grams total (about 5 grams for starting stock swingweight of 330, plus an additional gram for every 5 kg-cm^2 drop in stock swingweight below that) with two layers of strips on each side. It is better to use 2 layers of 4" strips than to spread one layer over an 8-inch length because the former will increase swingweight less. Also, significantly better torsional stability can be achieved by putting the lead on the outside of the frame rather than the inside, since the change in moment of inertia about the longitudinal axis is proportional to the square of the distance from added lead to the centerline. Use ¼”-wide strips on each side of the string plane. Eight grams is a rough guideline. The total amount that you add here can be adjusted later when you troubleshoot your setup. But I definitely advise against adding more than 10-12 g at this location, since the swingweight will likely become unmanageable.

Step 4. Measure the new weight and balance of your racquet.

Step 5. Calculate the amount of additional weight to be added using this equation:

m’ = M – m

m’ = additional mass to be added, in ounces.
M = desired final static weight in ounces.
m = static weight measured in step 4, in ounces.

Step 6. Calculate final balance point using this equation:

R = 44.57 / sqrt(M)
R = distance to final balance point from butt end.
M = desired final static weight.

Step 7. Calculate location to add concentrated mass m’ using this equation:

r’ = (MR – mr)/m’
r’ = location of center of mass for m’, in inches from butt end.
r = distance to balance point in inches measured in step 4.

Step 8. Add mass m’ at location r’ by wrapping lead tape around handle (under grip). Make sure that the center of mass for m’ is within 0.1” of location r’. As other racquet technicians such as John Cauthen have correctly noted, the location of this mass is critical to having a high-performance setup. The value for r’ determined by the above equation will optimize the plough-through effect of the racquet for a male player of normal strength. Moving the mass m’ a quarter inch up will likely decrease power due to higher swingweight, while moving it a quarter inch down will likely decrease power due to lower hitting weight. For best results, the total width of the leaded zone centered around r’ should not exceed 1 inch.

Step 9. Adjust tension. This depolarized leaded setup may be higher powered than your regular setup. If so, an increase in string tension will be required to optimize control. For final weights around 12.5 oz., you likely will be fine with the tension that works for you in the stock frame. But for setups over 13.0 oz., an increase of 5 lbs or so will probably be necessary.

Step 10. You are ready for a playtest.

Step 11. Troubleshooting your setup:

If your frame feels overpowered or underpowered, there are two preferred options. The first option is to adjust the string tension. Another option is to adjust the desired final static weight and repeat steps 2 through 8. If your racquet is overpowered, a lower static weight will reduce the power. And if it is underpowered, increasing static weight will help.

You can use the amount of weight at the 3 and 9 region to tune your swingweight. Increasing the weight at the 3 and 9 region will flatten your serve and groundstrokes, while decreasing the weight will add spin. I recommend making these adjustments in 1 gram increments. Also, you might get better results if you repeat steps 2 through 8 after you tweak the amount of lead at 3 and 9.

Lastly: remember that these are just general guidelines to get you started on your way to a sweet feeling setup that will best suit your game. Don’t be afraid to keep tweaking things.

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In the future, I plan to contribute some guidelines to customizing your racquet with well-balanced polarized setups also. I have so far designed a number of well-balanced polarized setups with specific frames. But polarized setups are more sensitive to the weight and balance of the starting platform frame, so it is more complicated to devise a general template like the one above.

Also, please understand that I will not be hanging around to read TT posts anymore, so don’t take it personal if I don’t respond to a question.[/QUOTE]
 
Rafter is a notable exception – his polarized setup allowed him to hit slow, high-bouncing kick serves
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looks like lead tape at 3 and 9 to me
 
If you set up your racquet just "like an ATP pro", will you be able to play like an ATP pro?
No.

And if you set up your racquet not "like an ATP pro", will you be able to play like an ATP pro?
No.


It really does not matter.
 
This thread is too complicated, so which stock frames are polarized? Babolat AeroProDrive 2006? It was the same as any other racquet to me, and couldnt hit with spin like Nadal o_O
 
I either botched the formula or picked the wrong racquet for this but i just added 32g at 11.4" from the buttcap!!

Guessing the stock racquet with an even balance is not a good choice when i add 40g or so to the handle.

Anyhow anyone have any tipps on adding 16g to each side if the frame in a way that doesnt mess up the off hand? I added the lead which wraps around the frame and is 1/2" or less high and wrapped with grip tape its bulky and rough...

Target weight was 13.4 oz
 
From my experience, the targeted strung specs should not be too differ from the original one. My central point of mass adding to the handle following formula is 7". What a nice surprise.
 
I either botched the formula or picked the wrong racquet for this but i just added 32g at 11.4" from the buttcap!!

Guessing the stock racquet with an even balance is not a good choice when i add 40g or so to the handle.

Anyhow anyone have any tipps on adding 16g to each side if the frame in a way that doesnt mess up the off hand? I added the lead which wraps around the frame and is 1/2" or less high and wrapped with grip tape its bulky and rough...

Target weight was 13.4 oz

Yeah I just plugged everything into excel, im pretty sure i entered it right... yet it is telling me to add weight 21 inches from the butt end. :confused:

Did OP mean 21 inches from the racket end? Because that would kind of make sense being near the handle of the racket to counter-act the weight added at 3 and 9 o'clock.

I know nothing about physics but i'm not sure how adding more weight 21 inches from the butt end (basically smack in the middle of my stringbed... :eek: ) can counterbalance the weight added at 3 and 9 o clock
 
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