How to stop these ridiculous bathroom breaks?

SteffiGoat

Semi-Pro
What do you guys think should ATP do to combat the obvious cheating that players like Tsitsipas are indulging in?

It's not fair to the opponents and also to the fans to wait all these ridiculous amounts of time.

Time limits for bathroom breaks?
Requiring players to submit all their communication devices at the start of the match? (seems like back to school)

Or just simply allow coaches to coach at all times or maybe add a coaching break or something of the sort that you can take like once per match? (not really a fan of it but I've seen it mentioned)
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
I think not having their mobile phones on court is a valid call. Considering the hoo haa we have seen over on court coaching yet these players could potentially get texted tactics and information? Seems absurd.

Not 100% certain of what the go is now but the player should be escorted to the bathroom and it should be definitely made sure the coach or anyone in the team is in the path to the bathroom. Thought I read somewhere that Stefanos father may have spoken to him during his toilet break the other day.
 

Open Stance

Semi-Pro
Don’t the rules forbid using mobile phones? Not sure if that means you aren’t allowed to bring them on the court. Also not sure how a rule barring bring mobile devices on court gets enforced short of every player getting their bags searched.

Also wasn’t Zverev once accused (and later cleared) of cheating with his cell phone against Tsitsipas at the 2019 ATP final? Kind of ironic.
 

Open Stance

Semi-Pro
Tsitsipas really tried to have us believe he needed almost 10 minutes to drop a monster deuce after a whopping 43 minute first set.

Like my god he took almost 20 percent of the time it took to complete an entire set to ostensibly take a crap.
And while he was taking that deuce his dad was seen on camera mashing his phone and then Tsitsi comes out with a sudden change of tactics in the second set.
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
Don’t the rules forbid using mobile phones? Not sure if that means you aren’t allowed to bring them on the court. Also not sure how a rule barring bring mobile devices on court gets enforced short of every player getting their bags searched.

Also wasn’t Zverev once accused (and later cleared) of cheating with his cell phone against Tsitsipas at the 2019 ATP final? Kind of ironic.
Are you referring to the incident when he was using the blood sugar monitor that was mistaken for a cell phone?
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
What do you guys think should ATP do to combat the obvious cheating that players like Tsitsipas are indulging in?

It's not fair to the opponents and also to the fans to wait all these ridiculous amounts of time.

Time limits for bathroom breaks?
Requiring players to submit all their communication devices at the start of the match? (seems like back to school)

Or just simply allow coaches to coach at all times or maybe add a coaching break or something of the sort that you can take like once per match? (not really a fan of it but I've seen it mentioned)
Since it’s becoming clear that 99.99% of toilet breaks are not due to nature’s urge but used for other purposes, I think just ban them altogether.
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
There should be one sanctioned bathroom break of a specified time (five minutes) allowed at the end of the third set.

No one from the player's team should be allowed to communicate with the player in any way during this break, including electronic communication.

Anyone requiring to leave the court at any point outside the official break or communicating with their team in any way, including electronically, forfeits the match.
 

accidental

Hall of Fame
Should be bathroom breaks under drug test type conditions only. If someone has to actually see the person doing their business up close, watch how few will take these breaks all of a sudden
 

tex123

Professional
What do you guys think should ATP do to combat the obvious cheating that players like Tsitsipas are indulging in?

It's not fair to the opponents and also to the fans to wait all these ridiculous amounts of time.

Time limits for bathroom breaks?
Requiring players to submit all their communication devices at the start of the match? (seems like back to school)

Or just simply allow coaches to coach at all times or maybe add a coaching break or something of the sort that you can take like once per match? (not really a fan of it but I've seen it mentioned)
ATP should allow players to poo in their pants. Problem solved.



 

Visionary

Professional
I think not having their mobile phones on court is a valid call.
Yeah! Tsitsi took the whole bag with him. Who knows what was in; and, who know who his dad was texting to at that very moment of the break.
Jam mobile signals in the bathrooms, problem solved.
One of my tennis kids on the court just suggested that very thing now (we just finished the practice). Chinese high schools routinely use jammers during exams, so western toilets (at least at the ATP events) could follow the Chinese educational concept too.

Tsitsi wanted to do it all over after the second set when the umpire suggested something related to penalties after every 25 seconds. Interesting for that could have been done for the over 3 minutes over the 5 minute limit time that Tsitsi broke after the first set in the toilet. Failing to come back after 5 minutes and 25 seconds should mean 0:15, after 5 minutes and 50 seconds 0:30 and so on. How difficult is that for the ATP to enforce against longer bathroom breaks???

drug test type conditions
That's also arousing curiosity. When is the next test for the semi competitors? On second thought, I am wondering what pill Zverev was given when calling the doc. I know, he wouldn't be given anything illegal from a pro in front of the cameras but I'd like to know what it was (to give him energy). Zverev-Will it give me energy? (could not hear the answer from docs on the court).
 

ibbi

Legend
Put urinals in the corner of the court. Doesn't help with the ladies, but it seems a less prevalent issue there anyway.
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
Yeah! Tsitsi took the whole bag with him. Who knows what was in; and, who know who his dad was texting to at that very moment of the break.
One of my tennis kids on the court just suggested that very thing now (we just finished the practice). Chinese high schools routinely use jammers during exams, so western toilets (at least at the ATP events) could follow the Chinese educational concept too.

Tsitsi wanted to do it all over after the second set when the umpire suggested something related to penalties after every 25 seconds. Interesting for that could have been done for the over 3 minutes over the 5 minute limit time that Tsitsi broke after the first set in the toilet. Failing to come back after 5 minutes and 25 seconds should mean 0:15, after 5 minutes and 50 seconds 0:30 and so on. How difficult is that for the ATP to enforce against longer bathroom breaks???

That's also arousing curiosity. When is the next test for the semi competitors? On second thought, I am wondering what pill Zverev was given when calling the doc. I know, he wouldn't be given anything illegal from a pro in front of the cameras but I'd like to know what it was (to give him energy). Zverev-Will it give me energy? (could not hear the answer from docs on the court).
Players drink and eat energy stuff all the time. As long as it’s legal stuff, I don’t see the problem. However, do you know what was in the bag that Tsitsipas took along to the toilet? Is it possible that he could inject himself with some illegal substance while behind the closed door where the monitor is not able to see him? Not saying that he did it, but it is a possibility that should be taken in consideration during toilet breaks.
 

thrust

Hall of Fame
What do you guys think should ATP do to combat the obvious cheating that players like Tsitsipas are indulging in?

It's not fair to the opponents and also to the fans to wait all these ridiculous amounts of time.

Time limits for bathroom breaks?
Requiring players to submit all their communication devices at the start of the match? (seems like back to school)

Or just simply allow coaches to coach at all times or maybe add a coaching break or something of the sort that you can take like once per match? (not really a fan of it but I've seen it mentioned)
Ban the toilet breaks, they never had them until fairly recently.
 

darkhorse

Semi-Pro
A 3-5 minute time limit from when they enter the dressing room (have to take into account that some facilities aren't close to the courts) seems reasonable to me, that would give enough time to have a complete change of clothes or use the toilet. After the clock is up, they're on their own time, and a code violation would be given if they don't make it back in time. Maybe you could also limit what players are allowed to bring with them, but that would require somebody to search their bags which seems a bit too much IMO.

I know Medvedev expressed a bit of frustration about not getting an additional comfort break after a long delay, so perhaps you could make it so players get 5 minutes to use over the course of the match to spend off court for comfort breaks. I.E., if you need to change clothes twice in a match you could as long it took 5 minutes or less combined.
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
Don’t the rules forbid using mobile phones? Not sure if that means you aren’t allowed to bring them on the court. Also not sure how a rule barring bring mobile devices on court gets enforced short of every player getting their bags searched.

Also wasn’t Zverev once accused (and later cleared) of cheating with his cell phone against Tsitsipas at the 2019 ATP final? Kind of ironic.
Zverev’s “phone” was not a phone. It was a Dexcom Blood sugar monitor. That’s why he was cleared. Can’t receive coaching on one of them. It’s clear that Zverev is diabetic. He has been seen in pictures with the monitor, checking his blood sugar during practice, seen with an insulin pen and his ex girlfriend mentioned “insulin in the room” during a description of her abuse allegations.
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
Yeah! Tsitsi took the whole bag with him. Who knows what was in; and, who know who his dad was texting to at that very moment of the break.
One of my tennis kids on the court just suggested that very thing now (we just finished the practice). Chinese high schools routinely use jammers during exams, so western toilets (at least at the ATP events) could follow the Chinese educational concept too.

Tsitsi wanted to do it all over after the second set when the umpire suggested something related to penalties after every 25 seconds. Interesting for that could have been done for the over 3 minutes over the 5 minute limit time that Tsitsi broke after the first set in the toilet. Failing to come back after 5 minutes and 25 seconds should mean 0:15, after 5 minutes and 50 seconds 0:30 and so on. How difficult is that for the ATP to enforce against longer bathroom breaks???

That's also arousing curiosity. When is the next test for the semi competitors? On second thought, I am wondering what pill Zverev was given when calling the doc. I know, he wouldn't be given anything illegal from a pro in front of the cameras but I'd like to know what it was (to give him energy). Zverev-Will it give me energy? (could not hear the answer from docs on the court).
Could have been some glucose tablets
 

Visionary

Professional
Players drink and eat energy stuff all the time. As long as it’s legal stuff, I don’t see the problem. However, do you know what was in the bag that Tsitsipas took along to the toilet? Is it possible that he could inject himself with some illegal substance while behind the closed door where the monitor is not able to see him? Not saying that he did it, but it is a possibility that should be taken in consideration during toilet breaks.
I am not sure why you quotted me as your questions appear to question what I have written. On the whole, I am in agreement with you, and I have also questioned what Tsitsi did in the bathroom there. My mostly concern was the cell phone use as his dad coincidently texted very much at the same time of his son's toilet break. Yet, your point of the questionable substances off the people's eyes is very reasonably questionable. Why players to their bathroom breaks are allowed to take their whole bags instead of transparent plastic bag with a pair of socks, shorts and a t-shirt instead is beyond me (and I guess you).
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
I am not sure why you quotted me as your questions appear to question what I have written. On the whole, I am in agreement with you, and I have also questioned what Tsitsi did in the bathroom there. My mostly concern was the cell phone use as his dad coincidently texted very much at the same time of his son's toilet break. Yet, your point of the questionable substances off the people's eyes is very reasonably questionable. Why players to their bathroom breaks are allowed to take their whole bags instead of transparent plastic bag with a pair of socks, shorts and a t-shirt instead is beyond me (and I guess you).
I wasn‘t questioning your post at all. In the contrary, I was adding a couple of thoughts on it. I agree with all points you raised.
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
For Zverev, perhaps. That's what the docs may have given him in the third set. He's allegedly had some mild diabetic spells. But for Tsitsi's eight and a half minute toilet ordeal...
I believe Tsitsi was receiving coaching.
 

Visionary

Professional
@EllieK , my thought as well. Funny that the Greek came back from his toilet to loose his first two games of the second set. But he came really strong the next 7 games to win the second which is why we should be questioning the substances Stefanos (with his dad's suggestions) may have used above his toilet bowl.

WADA come down on the Russian Greeks too, not only on Russians!
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
For Zverev, perhaps. That's what the docs may have given him in the third set. He's allegedly had some mild diabetic spells. But for Tsitsi's eight and a half minute toilet ordeal...
More than “mild diabetic spells” He is an insulin dependent diabetic. Numerous references to glucose monitoring, insulin use, and seen in practice doing finger stick glucose monitoring. He’s also been seen with an insulin pen. If he had low blood sugar because of diabetes, that can be life threatening and he should be allowed to receive treatment for that. Tsitsi in my mind was receiving coaching. He’s off the
Court and Dad is furiously texting. Not a coincidence in my mind
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
What do you guys think should ATP do to combat the obvious cheating that players like Tsitsipas are indulging in?

It's not fair to the opponents and also to the fans to wait all these ridiculous amounts of time.

Time limits for bathroom breaks?
Requiring players to submit all their communication devices at the start of the match? (seems like back to school)

Or just simply allow coaches to coach at all times or maybe add a coaching break or something of the sort that you can take like once per match? (not really a fan of it but I've seen it mentioned)
The problem is "it's in the rules!" Players have been taking advantage of "the rules" for as long as I can remember! One person has little problem getting thru a match while the other may or may not need to relieve themselves, they take the break to break up the momentum of their opponent! I remember a WTA Clay Ch. back in '91 with Graf and Sabatini! Graf was winning comfortably, but Gabby took 2 breaks that were allowed by rule to change clothes right when Graf was about to serve for the set! Gabby came back to break serve both times, subsequently going on to win the match and tournament! It happens; almost happened to Zverev yesterday against Tsitsipas, but was able to win anyway! :sneaky:
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
More than “mild diabetic spells” He is an insulin dependent diabetic. Numerous references to glucose monitoring, insulin use, and seen in practice doing finger stick glucose monitoring. He’s also been seen with an insulin pen. If he had low blood sugar because of diabetes, that can be life threatening and he should be allowed to receive treatment for that. Tsitsi in my mind was receiving coaching. He’s off the
Court and Dad is furiously texting. Not a coincidence in my mind
I read in an old German article when he was 14 years old that he was diabetic and had a special pass from the relevant tennis authorities to use insulin. He had requested to keep his condition private hence it’s not well known among the fans.
 

Goosehead

Legend
Tsitsipas really tried to have us believe he needed almost 10 minutes to drop a monster deuce after a whopping 43 minute first set.

Like my god he took almost 20 percent of the time it took to complete an entire set to ostensibly take a crap.
maybe he was put off his deuce thinking about atp officials outside the door while he was stooling into the toilet bowl
 
Is it possible that he could inject himself with some illegal substance while behind the closed door where the monitor is not able to see him?
If he's doing #1 then he should use the urinal then the monitor would be able to observe if he is on the phone or injecting illegal substances. If he's performing #2 the stall door should be left open--the integrity of the game should override his privacy rights.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Begrudging someone a bathroom break seems rather coldhearted. I'm trying to think of another major sport where a player can be in action for hours, sometimes four or five hours, without the opportunity to use a bathroom.
 
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