*Cracks Knuckles* Time for a philosophy thread! Now the following was taken from another site's forums that I found intriguing. NOTE: This is not mine and in no way take credit for it. Scientists say the universe began 12,000,000,000 years ago with the "big bang". Religious people say God created it. There argument for this is simple and convincing and usually done by anology: You're walking on the beach and you see a watch in the sand. You pick it up and you marvel at it's compexity. Something this precise and ingenious didn't just pop out of nowhere, right? A skilled crafstman made it. Now think about the human eye. Think about how complex that is and even our finest scientists have not figured it out. Surley something this complex didn't just come to be randomly. A skilled crafstman had to make it. Who is this sentient being? God. God in his almighty pulled the levers of the univers to the right setting and out popped the universe. NOTE: If the gravitaional pull of the universe was off by just a LITTLE BIT, the universe would have lasted a few seconds. NOTE: If the moon was a foot farther or closer to earth life would not exist on the planet. Therefor, the universe randomly happening is VERY UNLIKLEY. But then the question of where God came from arrises. If something so magnificent has to be created, then why not apply the same theory to God? Some say it is an infinite chain of Gods creating one another. But that still would hold no validity for some people because there would STILL HAVE TO BE A BEGINNING JUST LIKE THERE WAS A BEGINNING TO THE UNIVERSE. Then the scientists say the big bang was a random occurence: Say you buy 1,000 lottery tickets and you win. THIS IS VERY VERY UNLIKLEY. You have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than winning the lottery. Naturally you may think somebody rigged it to hit on the right note so you could win, but obviously they didn't. Why not apply the same principle to the universe? Maybe the universe is like the lottery in that it was the rare occurence where it hit on the right note and life became possible. Either way you can't PROVE or DISPROVE God's existence and for that matter HOW the universe came to be. Take it with a grain of salt and rely on faith a.k.a. beliefs. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Fairly interesting. What's your take on it? How and Why are we here? What created us, or who created us? Is anything, or anyone actually real? How did everything come to be? P.S. Try not to turn this into a religious flame war, m'kay? Ready....GO!!!!