How will you rank top 15 wta players in 21st century?

boredone3456 said:
1. Serena
2. Henin
3. Venus
4. Sharapova
5. Clijsters
6. Swiatek
7. Osaka
8 Sabalenka
9. Barty
10. Capriati
11. Azarenka
12. Kerber
13. Halep
14. Muguruza
15. Davenport
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This is also acceptable list. Barty left tennis at the peak of her career. Would have been amazing to see her meeting Swiatek in RG
 
1. Serena
2. Henin
3. Venus
4. Sharapova
5. Capriati
6. Clijsters
7. Swiatek
8. Osaka
9. Sabalenka
10. Barty
11. Kerber
12. Azarenka
13. Halep
14. Muguruza
15. Wozniacki
 
Berrettini_Fan said:
1. Serena
2. Henin
3. Venus
4. Sharapova
5. Capriati
6. Clijsters
7. Swiatek
8. Osaka
9. Sabalenka
10. Barty
11. Kerber
12. Azarenka
13. Halep
14. Muguruza
15. Wozniacki
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This is controversial. Swiatek and Clijsters are more successful than Capriati by a lot. Especially in 2000s.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
This is controversial. Swiatek and Clijsters are more successful than Capriati by a lot. Especially in 2000s.
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Both Clijsters and Capriati won the same number of Slams but Capriati did it on multiple surfaces. Capriati also competed in a tougher era than Swiatek, having to face Peak Serena, Venus, Henin, and Clijsters.
 
Berrettini_Fan said:
Both Clijsters and Capriati won the same number of Slams but Capriati did it on multiple surfaces. Capriati also competed in a tougher era than Swiatek, having to face Peak Serena, Venus, Henin, and Clijsters.
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The four ladies you mentioned, Capriati beat them a combined of 1 time in her 3 slam wins. She is also part of 90s gen and got very young Serena in 2001.
 
Hitman said:
Kuznetsova over Wozniacki on that list for me, she has multiple slams on multiple surfaces.
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my #15 spot was between her and Davenport. It was NOT an easy decision in all honesty. In the end it was tough weighing out the Extra major against Davenport making 2 more major finals. Davenport also won roughly 30 titles in the 2000s compared to 18 for Kuzzy. Kuzzy also wasn't ever #1. It still wasn't easy to choose.
 
boredone3456 said:
my #15 spot was between her and Davenport. It was NOT an easy decision in all honesty. In the end it was tough weighing out the Extra major against Davenport making 2 more major finals. Davenport also won roughly 30 titles in the 2000s compared to 18 for Kuzzy. Kuzzy also wasn't ever #1. It still wasn't easy to choose.
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Yep, issue for Davenport is, her USO and W wins were in 98 and 99. In a direct comparison, she is clearly superior.
 
Hitman said:
Yep, issue for Davenport is, her USO and W wins were in 98 and 99. In a direct comparison, she is clearly superior.
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She won the AO in 2000 though, so she counts for this discussion.
She also made 4 other finals at majors in the 2000s (2000 Wimbledon and USO, 2005 AO and Wimbledon). So in the 2000s Davenport made 5 major finals, winning 1. Kuzzy made 4 major finals, winning 2. Arguably you could also say she only won the US Open because Davenport ironically got injured in their SF match.
Was a 3 time year end #1 in the 2000s (Kuznetsova never got to #1 and off the top of my head I dunno how close she was to being #1 when she was #2)
She won 7 Tier 1/WTA 1000 level tournaments (Kuznetsova only won 3)
Won 29 titles in the 2000s compared to 18 for Kuznetsova.

Even just focusing on the 2000s alone, there is a pretty solid argument to put Davenport over Kuznetsova.
 
boredone3456 said:
She won the AO in 2000 though, so she counts for this discussion.
She also made 4 other finals at majors in the 2000s (2000 Wimbledon and USO, 2005 AO and Wimbledon). So in the 2000s Davenport made 5 major finals, winning 1. Kuzzy made 4 major finals, winning 2. Arguably you could also say she only won the US Open because Davenport ironically got injured in their SF match.
Was a 3 time year end #1 in the 2000s (Kuznetsova never got to #1 and off the top of my head I dunno how close she was to being #1 when she was #2)
She won 7 Tier 1/WTA 1000 level tournaments (Kuznetsova only won 3)
Won 29 titles in the 2000s compared to 18 for Kuznetsova.

Even just focusing on the 2000s alone, there is a pretty solid argument to put Davenport over Kuznetsova.
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Yes, there are, but I am a slams first kind of guy.
 
I think this is fascinating topic as there are so many wta top players with 1/2 slams but vast differences in overall careers.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
My ranking would be something like

1. Serena
2. Henin
3. Venus
4. Sharapova
5. Swiatek
6. Clijsters
7. Osaka
8. Azarenka
9. Sabalenka
10. Capriati
11. Kerber
12. Barty
13. Halep
14. Muguruza
15. Wozniacki
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Are we just considering what they did from 2000 on?
Actually, I need to research just a little, if that's the case. I'd like to compare Mugu, Kuz and Kvitova, and Woz.

Without checking records, I think Barty belongs higher and Azarenka seems too high.
 
In order to rank the players, the only information that I need to know is what‘s the share of slams they won between 34 and 37 years of age.
 
RaulRamirez said:
Are we just considering what they did from 2000 on?
Actually, I need to research just a little, if that's the case. I'd like to compare Mugu, Kuz and Kvitova, and Woz.

Without checking records, I think Barty belongs higher and Azarenka seems too high.
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Yes this makes sense. Barty has a few years of peak dominance.

I think azarenka is a victim of Serena peak and players post 2015 had a bit easier to rack up slams. But I think azarenka should be a few spots down now.
 
RaulRamirez said:
Are we just considering what they did from 2000 on?
Actually, I need to research just a little, if that's the case. I'd like to compare Mugu, Kuz and Kvitova, and Woz.

Without checking records, I think Barty belongs higher and Azarenka seems too high.
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I'm also still researching. Love Barty's game, but she probably beat the least number of top 10 players in winning her 3 majors than anyone in history(not counting the depleted majors of 70s). She only played one top 10 player in winning those 3 majors. Also she played only 4 tournaments(and only 1 major) in 2020, but because of COVID they count all those weeks in 2020 as weeks at #1 for her which seems a bit unfair when you compare to other year end #1's. Azarenka had to deal with pretty tough competition with Serena in 2 USO finals, and I find her year end #1 in 2012 more impressive than Barty's 2 year end #1's(again I don't count 2020)

Also Azarenka won ten 1000 level events, Barty only 3(but she did win YEC). Azarenka beat Serena in the finals of 4 of those 1000 level events and Sharapova in 3 of them. Barty beat Jill Teichmann in the final of one of her 1000 level events :oops:
 
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not even sure Sabalenka and Iga can be ranked that high the way they have been crapping the bed like that have. When you start losing slams to career journeymen like Keys and Andreeva who’s in third grade still, you got some issues you need to fix. If swiatek and Sabalenka truly were top elite leaguers they should be in every final today playing against each other with the state the WTA is in at the moment
 
Moose Malloy said:
I'm also still researching. Love Barty's game, but she probably beat the least number of top 10 players in winning her 3 majors than anyone in history(not counting the depleted majors of 70s). She only played one top 10 player in winning those 3 majors. Also she played only one event in 2020, but because of COVID they count all those weeks in 2020 as weeks at #1 for her which seems a bit unfair when you compare to other year end #1's. Azarenka had to deal with pretty tough competition with Serena in 2 USO finals, and I find her year end #1 in 2012 more impressive than Barty's 2 year end #1's(again I don't count 2020)

Also Azarenka won ten 1000 level events, Barty only 3(but she did win YEC). Azarenka beat Serena in the finals of 4 of those 1000 level events and Sharapova in 3 of them. Barty beat Jill Teichmann in the final of one of her 1000 level events :oops:
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Azarenka was going toe to toe with Serena Sharapova for a few years.
 
TheGoldenEra1990’s said:
not even sure Sabalenka and Iga can be ranked that high the way they have been crapping the bed like that have. When you start losing slams to career journeymen like Keys and Andreeva who’s in third grade still, you got some issues you need to fix. If swiatek and Sabalenka truly were top elite leaguers they should be in every final today playing against each other with the state the WTA is in at the moment
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Keep this kind of yapping for ATP at least and troll alcaraz fans. Don't pollute for no reason like mindless troll.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Azarenka was going toe to toe with Serena Sharapova for a few years.
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this is kind of messed up to say, but I think Azarenka's pregnancy really derailed her as an elite player. She was getting her '12/'13 form back in '16(won IW and Miami back to back) and looked to be a real contender for majors that year then unexpectedly got pregnant. And her pigeon Kerber(Azarenka was 10-1 vs her) surprisingly won 2 majors in '16 and ended year end #1. Then a custody battle then delayed her comeback.
 
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nolefam_2024 said:
My ranking would be something like

1. Serena
2. Henin
3. Venus
4. Sharapova
5. Swiatek
6. Clijsters
7. Osaka
8. Azarenka
9. Sabalenka
10. Capriati
11. Kerber
12. Barty
13. Halep
14. Muguruza
15. Wozniacki
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1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Henin
4. Sharapova
5. Swiatek
6. Clijsters
7. Osaka
8. Sabalenka
9. Azarenka
10. Capriati
11. Barty
12. Kerber
13. Halep
14. Mauresmo
15. Muguruza

Many of these spots are pretty much interchangeable, I weighed amount of 1000 level events, YEC etc in some of the closer decisions. I do stand by my ranking of Venus over Henin though for several reasons - 1) her career was affected by prime Serena more than anyone else here(she lost 4 straight major finals to her!) 2) I believe her level of play in her back to back 2 slam seasons of '00 & '01 was higher than anyone sans Serena on the list and against the strongest field. 3) Even though Henin won 3 of the 4 majors, while Venus only won 2 of the 4, I think Henin was only an all time great on clay while imo Venus had a higher level on hardcourt(both Serena and Venus missed '03 USO which Henin won - not sure if she was really ready to dethrone them there yet) and possibly reached the highest level on grass that I've ever seen. 4) '03 was the only 2 slam season of Henin's career, and like I said the USO that year sort of has an * to me. Plus a W/USO season just ranks higher to me than a RG/USO season.

Not sure how to rank Davenport for just her 21st century career(she actually was year end #1 for three years - '01, '04, '05 - during that span. Another player who had it rough having to deal with Serena and Venus(no Brady or Collins type opponents for her in major finals)
 
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