Fuji
Legend
Not a chance. :razz:
It's definitely a half point difference. I'm a 4.5, and I lost back in January 7-5 to a 5.0 woman. We were definitely competitive, but if you think you will badly trounce a 5.0 woman you are out of it.
-Fuji
How would a S. Errani vs a 5.0 Male from your League, play out????
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Not a chance. :razz:
It's definitely a half point difference. I'm a 4.5, and I lost back in January 7-5 to a 5.0 woman. We were definitely competitive, but if you think you will badly trounce a 5.0 woman you are out of it.
-Fuji
Champs990411
Rookie
Didn't read this whole thread but I know that in 1998 a bottom half (4-6) player at a top DII program beat Chanda Rubin in a pro-set. I worked with him at a Nike Tennis Camp. He was damn good and a top junior in Canada.
SassyRamirez
Banned
I understand OP's frustration, Errani is a bit of a joke of a player. Another weak era girl with very minimal talent that just takes advantage of the lack of depth in todays women's game with her consistency and fitness. :neutral:
Regardless, even though she makes a mockery of what you'd want a good strong WTA #5 player to encompass, she is still obviously a top 100 level player at the very least so you have to give her the edge over any 5.0 Male.
So just get over your dislike of her and her powderpuff game and be reasonable.
Regardless, even though she makes a mockery of what you'd want a good strong WTA #5 player to encompass, she is still obviously a top 100 level player at the very least so you have to give her the edge over any 5.0 Male.
So just get over your dislike of her and her powderpuff game and be reasonable.
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Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
This thread should be renamed to "Case study of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action on online tennis forums".
70後
Hall of Fame
Never mind Errani, there are people on this board who can defeat Laver and Rosewall, if they were playing back then.
I guess your argument about the rating difference is with the USTA and not me as I didn't publish the FAQ. There are a wide range of 4.5s and an even wider range of 5.0s so your loss doesn't necessarily contradict what they said. I have no idea but it seems right from what I have seen.
As for me though, I will stand by my statement.
But you claim to be 4.0 and Fuji claims to be 4.5. That would mean that the .5 difference applies, not the 1.0 difference.
I find that it's only useful to compare medians and not extremes. There are players newly bumped to 4.0 that will lose to 3.5 that are just on the cusp of being bumped, and a 4.0 knocking on 4.5 may beat a 4.5 on the decline. That doesn't mean that a 3.5 can beat a 4.5 though.
Are you a median 4.0? Is Fuji a median 4.5? Or are you guys at the extremes of your rating? Errani is not some newbie on the WTA. She's median or above. Even giving a male 5.0 the 1 point difference I don't see him winning.
chatt_town
Hall of Fame
That is saying a lot coming from a 5.0 male player. I guess we can close this conversation.lol
roman40
Rookie
As a strong 4.0 who can probably beat you :twisted:, I can definitely say that I am unlikely to beat a 5.0W badly. I've played some strong 4.5 women, who'd lose handily to strong 5.0W, that were very competitive. I usually win, but it's not easy. A strong 5.0W singles player would likely beat me, or if I win, it will be an extremely tough match. Basically, you're full of it
I can believe that at above 5.0 the rating system breaks down somewhat, since it's not necessary based on direct competition, but rather ranking and other factors, so it's entirely possible that the difference there is greater than .5 between men and women.
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Loose Cannon
Rookie
I understand OP's frustration, Errani is a bit of a joke of a player. Another weak era girl with very minimal talent that just takes advantage of the lack of depth in todays women's game with her consistency and fitness. :neutral:
Regardless, even though she makes a mockery of what you'd want a good strong WTA #5 player to encompass, she is still obviously a top 100 level player at the very least so you have to give her the edge over any 5.0 Male.
So just get over your dislike of her and her powderpuff game and be reasonable.
:shock:
Interesting!
As a strong 4.0 who can probably beat you :twisted:, I can definitely say that I am unlikely to beat a 5.0W badly. I've played some strong 4.5 women, who'd lose handily to strong 5.0W, that were very competitive. I usually win, but it's not easy. A strong 5.0W singles player would likely beat me, or if I win, it will be an extremely tough match. Basically, you're full of it
I can believe that at above 5.0 the rating system breaks down somewhat, since it's not necessary based on direct competition, but rather ranking and other factors, so it's entirely possible that the difference there is greater than .5 between men and women.
This seems to be the normal response here. I am the god of 4.0 tennis and nobody who really is a 4.0 can beat me. All ratings should be based around this simple fact that I rule. It's funny how it is impossible for me to win against a 5.0W but you as the GOAT 4.0 tennis could be competitive.
Did you ever think there was the slightest possibility that you weren't the 4.0 GOAT?
I can state with almost near certainty that if you play in the Bay Area or even Norcal you are not, and actually if you are competitive with 4.5 women then you are certainly not.
Gut4Tennis
Hall of Fame
I like your style brother
Loose Cannon
Rookie
roman40
Rookie
I didn't say you couldn't win, look back at your previous post, you said you could win easily against 5.0W, and I am disputing that.
Also, what's wrong with NorCal? Are you saying competition is weak in NorCal?
Fugazi
Professional
Here's where you're wrong: she doesn't hit soft. You'd understand if you saw her live.
S&V Specialist
Rookie
I've seen her live. She is usually just "drinking balls back", but every few baseline groundies she actually hits through the ball and it is those shots alone that have any heft to them.
corbind
Professional
Pickle, you certainly have a way with words.
I do not know Errani. I've heard the name but would not recognize her on tv. There is something extremely important here. If she is #5 in women's pro tennis -- she is number five IN THE WORLD!
Not the US, not Iceland, the planet. That means there are thousands of others who are good but not as talented at winning as Errani.
For some 5.0 man to beat her in 2 of three sets he would have to win on serving. If he is only a 5.0 (rather than 5.5 or 6.0+) he makes too many errors. Pros make less errors or more winners and usually both.
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tennis_ocd
Hall of Fame
lol. I'd never heard of this but a blurb from wiki:
"Dunning and Kruger noted earlier studies suggesting that ignorance of standards of performance is behind a great deal of incompetence. This pattern was seen in studies of skills as diverse as reading comprehension, operating a motor vehicle, and playing chess or tennis.
Dunning and Kruger proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:
1.tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
2.fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
3.fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
4.recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill."
One wonders if they subscribe to ttw.
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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" -- Charles Darwin
Perfection
Agreed.
One only has to get "good" at something, to realized how much they actually suck.
Fugazi
Professional
You're being delusional again. And besides, being #5 on the WTA implies much better timing, consistency and overall skill than any legit 5.0 male.
I used to tell my ex-husband that I am just good enough to know how bad I actually am...
Akin to a scene from one of my favorite films, Good Will Hunting. When the Professor tells Will only a handful of people know how much more talented he is than the Prof because it takes knowledge to know knowledge.
JoelDali
Talk Tennis Guru
The #1 5.0 male in Queens would castrate the 4.5 fem top tier benchmark.
can't conjure up an image of that...
Gut4Tennis
Hall of Fame
I once saw an injured benchmark 4.0 beat a 5.0 d1 player
Gut4Tennis
Hall of Fame
I wonder if Errani would have a chance against the injured 4.0(B)
roman40
Rookie
Must have been a 5.0 doubles player who had a lobotomy the night before.
Fuji
Legend
Since I've never played on clay, I must slide at a 1.0 level. I can only imagine how good that must be. I aspire to slide at a 3.5 GOAT level eventually.
-Fuji
Thud and blunder
Semi-Pro
People get too hung up on styles....a player several levels higher is a player several levels higher, end of story.
People get these absurd ideas, such as a 5.0 would get killed by a hard-hitting woman's 6.0, but be competitive with a grinding 7.0. Level trumps style. It's only 'about match-ups' when players are on similar levels.
People get these absurd ideas, such as a 5.0 would get killed by a hard-hitting woman's 6.0, but be competitive with a grinding 7.0. Level trumps style. It's only 'about match-ups' when players are on similar levels.
LuckyR
Legend
I like to imagine that I post topical information that gets to the heart of issues brought up in this Forum, but this may be the best post I can think of... ever.
lots of ego involved but some ask what Errani has tha will bug a a 5.0 man,.....well what does a 5.0 man have that will bug Errani point after point? sure she played like crap against Serena, it was a joke. but watch her doubles final match she can handle spin and power just fine. Its a shame she is as high in ranking as she is, its more sad that after a decade the WTA still can't answer with a challenge to Serena, but its even more of a joke to say a 5.0 man would beat her......i'll admit it is possible but not very likely at all.
AtomicForehand
Hall of Fame
SUCH an interesting picture.
These guys have all said they can beat errani on a good day 64 64
Good lookin' Patriots..
storypeddler
Semi-Pro
Well, clearly THAT statement is wrong.
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Since Errani is top 10 in WTA - which is a tour professional and a guy who is a 5.0 is just an amateur tennis player; it would be quite a shock to see a score that is like 1, 2 for the Errani. If on clay it could be goose eggs.
OrangePower
Legend
Pickle9
Professional
The immortal quan???
