How would Federer of 2006 do vs Nadal 2016?

Jaitock1991

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This is a question I've thoght about a lot. Say they were to play 10 matches on each surface(fast hard, slow hard, clay, grass and indoors). How would their H2H look like on each surface?

I personally can't see Rafa trouble Roger too much on any surface but clay tbh.

Fast hard: Fed 9-1
Slow hard: Fed 8-2
Clay: Fed 8-2
Grass: Fed 9-1
Indoor: Fed 9-1

Correct me if you think I'm wrong, but I just don't see how Nadal's current game can trouble maybe the absoulte best version of Federer. All the parts of Rafa's game that used to be the reason for his dominance over Fed have declined so much.
 
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Checkmate

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Even the 2016 Federer can have 5-5 H2H against this Nadal who I predict will not pass the Quarter Finals of French Open. Sorry,not impressed.
 

Jaitock1991

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Even the 2016 Federer can have 5-5 H2H against this Nadal who I predict will not pass the Quarter Finals of French Open. Sorry,not impressed.

But hypothetically. Say they were to play 10 times on each surface. What would their H2H look like?
 

Jaitock1991

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If the thread isn't thought-provoking or in any way original, what's the point of it?

Maybe I should have written this in my OP, but if you must know, I'm actually working on a statistical project(believe it or not) as a part of my education. This is just a small part of my collecting of data. I don't care about originality, nor am I interested in the philisophy behind the thread's existential value. I just want people's opinions :)

Care to give me yours?
 
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Obviously Nadal. Tennis has evolved way beyond what it was in 2006. Federer of 2006 isn't half the player he is today. He's improved and become the best player he can be. That said, Nadal would clearly dominate Federer of 2006 everywhere.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
Obviously 9-1 or with some luck even 10-0. Nadal isn't what he used to be, and Federer got a real mental block against Nadal after Rome '06, and if Nadal of 2006 was replaced with Nadal of 2016, that loss would not happen and Federer would feel free to execute.
 

Dave1982

Professional
So what would happen if you put 2008 Nadal vs 2013 Federer...

No doubt Nadal is a long way from his most dominant at the minute (although still good enough to reach the SF of arguably the best M1000) & with the injuries he's had coupled with his age such decline should be expected & understood instead of mocked.

The guy is a legend of the game & in many ways he might just be more likely to win number 15 before the Swiss maestro claims number 18....with Rafa you just never know!
 

Tennisanity

Legend
probably be a lot closer than one would think. It's not about tennis when it comes to Nadal, it's something mentally gone wrong in Fed. Heck even last year Nadal struggling, Fed on his best indoor surface barely closed him out. Yes Fed was peak in 2006, and I bet Fed would win most of the H2Hs, but it won't be that lopsided except maybe on fast HC and grass.

Haven't we seen it so many times played? Particularly at AO.
 

dudeski

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This is a question I've thoght about a lot. Say they were to play 10 matches on each surface(fast hard, slow hard, clay, grass and indoors). How would their H2H look like on each surface?

I personally can't see Rafa trouble Roger too much on any surface but clay tbh.

Fast hard: Fed 9-1
Slow hard: Fed 8-2
Clay: Fed 8-2
Grass: Fed 9-1
Indoor: Fed 9-1

Correct me if you think I'm wrong, but I just don't see how Nadal's current game can trouble maybe the absoulte best version of Federer. All the parts of Rafa's game that used to be the reason for his dominance over Fed have declined so much.

How is the world would 2016 Nadal beat 2006 Fed anywhere but clay? Even on clay 2006 Fed need to be sick or something like that to lose to 2016 Nadal.
 

Jaitock1991

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How is the world would 2016 Nadal beat 2006 Fed anywhere but clay? Even on clay 2006 Fed need to be sick or something like that to lose to 2016 Nadal.

Haha. Maybe you're right. I just kind of thought that Rafa 2016 could still be a bad match up, even for 2006 Fed on a bad day(which he is likely to have every once in a while). Besides. I think it would be a little too ignorant to say that Fed would win 100% of the time. After all, Rafa is still in the top 5, and has always been Fed's cryptonite.
 

The_18th_Slam

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My post is a retort.
His post is discourse.
The point of it is the rapport between me and the person I am responding to.
This is a public message board. If you want personal rapport, send him a private message.
If you needed to question that, what is the point of you?
The point of myself is to point out that your "retort" is as unoriginal and worthless as his post. Perhaps more so, because his encourages discourse (however tedious) while yours is just whine.
 
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I would have to think Federer would win most matches, even on clay just because there is a limit to how much one can be troubled by a bad matchup or whatever, if that bad matchup is struggling so much.

However, the very close Basel final last year on fast indoor hard, wasn't exactly promising.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
So what would happen if you put 2008 Nadal vs 2013 Federer...

We already saw 2013 nadal vs 2013 federer. (4x)

But obviously federer hasn't had such luck to consistently meet a rafa who was sub-par that many times.
 

djokerer

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This is a question I've thoght about a lot. Say they were to play 10 matches on each surface(fast hard, slow hard, clay, grass and indoors). How would their H2H look like on each surface?

I personally can't see Rafa trouble Roger too much on any surface but clay tbh.

Fast hard: Fed 9-1
Slow hard: Fed 8-2
Clay: Fed 8-2
Grass: Fed 9-1
Indoor: Fed 9-1

Correct me if you think I'm wrong, but I just don't see how Nadal's current game can trouble maybe the absoulte best version of Federer. All the parts of Rafa's game that used to be the reason for his dominance over Fed have declined so much.
You need a fantasy world to see Fed on winning side.. lol pathetic
 

I am the Greatest!

Professional
I would have to think Federer would win most matches, even on clay just because there is a limit to how much one can be troubled by a bad matchup or whatever, if that bad matchup is struggling so much.

However, the very close Basel final last year on fast indoor hard, wasn't exactly promising.

2006 not 2015. Or would you like to echo the sentiments of other Djokovic fans that Federer has not declined?
 

moonballs

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Did Federer 2006 have a knee operation? Not that I know of. So the answer is no ;)
Darn it. I thought it was 2016 fed vs 2016 rafa. Who in their right mind would wonder about 2006 Fed vs 2016 Nadal? 10:0 every surface they play. Remember 2006 Fed made RG final, bageled Nadal in wimbledons, and 2016 Nadal is likely not going to be in the RG final.
 

Fed881981

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So, Nadal has one good set against Djokovic (and still lost it), and suddenly people are bringing Fed 2006 into the discussion?
 
Federer was pushing a better Nadal in best of 5 finals on clay. If they played the very same matches with the 2016 version of Nadal Fed would win at least 2 of those 3 clay matches.

Except tennis is not that simple. Federer got a set from Djokovic at the Australian Open this year at 34, does that mean he would win most of the time prime for prime? He also did better than the 2008 or 2011 Federer was able to do (and 2008 against a much weaker Djokovic). Federer more in his prime than Murray was losing a bunch of times they met in Masters and non slam events in 2008-2010, yet now Murray cant buy a win over grandpa Federer.

The only match Federer was truly close to winning vs Nadal on clay anytime outside his 1 win in Hamburg 2007 from 2005-2008 was Rome 2006. Other matches, even if he sometimes got a set in a best of 5, he was never in with a real shot at winning and everyone watching knew it.
 
2006 not 2015. Or would you like to echo the sentiments of other Djokovic fans that Federer has not declined?

I think his point is that while Federer has declined, Nadal has obviously declined much more. I don't think anyone sane would dispute Nadal is even much further from his own say 2008 or 2010 level of tennis than Federer is his 2005 and 2006 (even though for both it is a considerable distance). Federer last year was the 2nd best player and Nadal something like the 10th, and Federer was challenging Djokovic while Nadal was barely winning points, yet Federer barely won on Nadal's absolute worst court in his home country.
 

I am the Greatest!

Professional
He didn't elaborate on it so I missed his point. But again, one match won't tell the whole story. Federer 6-3, 6-0 Nadal in 2011. It's a subpar year from Federer and a good one for Nadal.
 
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