How would rate Agassi of the USO 05 final?

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RS

Legend
I left out 10 to replace a . 5 option but if think that is 10 you can add it in the comments.
 

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Started with 8 as my vote, went down to 7.5. You could realistically go down to about 6.5 but anything below that is a big nope.

Played a great middle two sets and his ballstriking that day was pretty stunning. His movement was below par but honestly it didn't really start being a big problem till the end of the third set. That fourth set is what stops him from being, say, an 8/10 or so. It was pretty bad from him, he just ran out of gas.

In the grand scheme of things, he's probably Fed's best US Open finalist that he beat (but, as you know, Fed often faced his best competition at the USO in semis and quarters). He'd also be top 5 or something like that for US Open finalists the Big 3 as a whole have beaten. I think the only ones I might take over him would be Nadal in 2011, possibly Djokovic in 2010, and maybe Fed in 2015 and Djokovic in 2013. Certainly up for debate there.
 
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PETEhammer

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I mean he was Fed's first ATG in a slam final, so he was a sign of progress at least.
 

mike danny

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6.5 to 7, something like this. Not bad, not amazing either.

But certainly not weak like many here are saying. About the same level as 2013 Djokovic and whatever rating he gets, Agassi should get too.
 

RS

Legend
Started with 8 as my vote, went down to 7.5. You could realistically go down to about 6.5 but anything below that is a big nope.

Played a great middle two sets and his ballstriking that day was pretty stunning. His movement was below par but honestly it didn't really start being a big problem till the end of the third set. That fourth set is what stops him from being, say, an 8/10 or so. It was pretty bad from him, he just ran out of gas.

In the grand scheme of things, he's probably Fed's best US Open finalist that he beat (but, as you know, Fed often faced his best competition at the USO in semis and quarters). He'd also be top 5 or something like that for US Open finalists the Big 3 as a whole have beaten. I think the only ones I might take over him would be Nadal in 2011, possibly Djokovic in 2010, and maybe Fed in 2015 and Djokovic in 2013. Certainly up for debate there.
Good comment. It was good I added a .5 option.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Started with 8 as my vote, went down to 7.5. You could realistically go down to about 6.5 but anything below that is a big nope.

Played a great middle two sets and his ballstriking that day was pretty stunning. His movement was below par but honestly it didn't really start being a big problem till the end of the third set. That fourth set is what stops him from being, say, an 8/10 or so. It was pretty bad from him, he just ran out of gas.

In the grand scheme of things, he's probably Fed's best US Open finalist that he beat (but, as you know, Fed often faced his best competition at the USO in semis and quarters). He'd also be top 5 or something like that for US Open finalists the Big 3 as a whole have beaten. I think the only ones I might take over him would be Nadal in 2011, possibly Djokovic in 2010, and maybe Fed in 2015 and Djokovic in 2013. Certainly up for debate there.
IMO, if 2015 Fed didn't come back in the 4th to make it a difference of only 1 break and even force another BP, he wouldn't be ranked above Agassi.
 

RS

Legend
I felt before doing this the 6 to 8 range would be the most popular and 7 would win the poll.
 

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G.O.A.T.
Federer who hit 92 winners is slightly better than limping, Mummy Agassi raised by the book of Amon-Ra?
Have to give props for the metaphor.

But I'd never use total winners as a reliable stat. Not by itself, anyway. Otherwise we'd be talking about how incredible Isner played in that marathon with Mahut, he hit over 200 winners there.

I'd stick with the winner-UFE ratio. Bit more relevant imo.
 

BGod

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7. He was great still on ground strokes but his mobility against a prime Fed was a massive handicap. Even had he won that 3rd set it was over.

To compare to finalists of the 21st century I'd say better than half.
 
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PETEhammer

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Watching Andre move that bad was painful. Too bad he couldn’t have won and left on a high note. Instead he limped to the end and had to be put down by diet Becker.
Yes, but when he broke Fed at love in the 3rd set I think? By hitting a return winner? That made it worth it. The crowd cheering, Fed lowering his head in respect and batting over the ball to the linesmen on the other side, etc.
 
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PETEhammer

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Have to give props for the metaphor.

But I'd never use total winners as a reliable stat. Not by itself, anyway. Otherwise we'd be talking about how incredible Isner played in that marathon with Mahut, he hit over 200 winners there.

I'd stick with the winner-UFE ratio. Bit more relevant imo.
Thanks, I enjoyed it myself.

Winners to UFE for Fed is still +32 in the 2019 Final (94 Winners, 62 UFE) which is insanely good especially with as high a winner count as 94...
 

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G.O.A.T.
Thanks, I enjoyed it myself.

Winners to UFE for Fed is still +32 in the 2019 Final (94 Winners, 62 UFE) which is insanely good especially with as high a winner count as 94...
TA has it at 89 winners and 76 UFEs, wonder where that differential comes from. Where are you getting the stats?
 

Red Rick

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In all seriousness, this was back when Super Saturday was still a thing right? Agassi played 5 sets the day before, and in the QF?

So while I'm not high on this match at all, it's also very logical. Agassi wasn't that much of a threat anymore in 2005 and mostly rode joke draws to deep runs at the HC tournaments. His only top 10 wins in 2005 were Gaston Gaudio (2x) and Guillermo Coria, all on HC.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
2005 is a really difficult one to rate given the disparity in performance from set to set. I think he's in between a 6 & 7.

If we look at a 7 as an average "C" grade, he was easily above that for some of the match. But by the final set he was below a 6 (aka failing grade).
 
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PETEhammer

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In all seriousness, this was back when Super Saturday was still a thing right? Agassi played 5 sets the day before, and in the QF?
I think so, though going 5 against Ginepri never helps the cause. Granted, it was Imho-Andre but still...
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
You are so against Agassi. It has something to do with that Andy Murray ATG thread made by @Nole Slam 90% sure :D
It has to do with me watching 90s tennis after that thread.

Granted, Agassi would embarrass himself less in the late 2000s to 2015 than Sampras would.
 

RS

Legend
It has to do with me watching 90s tennis after that thread.

Granted, Agassi would embarrass himself less in the late 2000s to 2015 than Sampras would.
So I was partly correct:D

Do you think Sampras and Agassi would be Murray level or lower today?
 
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