How would this Djokovic have done if he faced 2017 Fed’s or 2022 Ned’s draws?

[jl809]

EDIT: reminder here that Djoker REPLACES Fedal in their draws - he does not play them


3 ATGs, 3 wins at the Aussie Open aged 35 (sorry Stef).

Obviously anyone who follows tennis and isn’t a Djokovic stan knows that his draw for this AO is one of the absolute weakest since the heady early 00s. And to be fair to Novak, he has been treating it as such, smashing his way through it.

But how would Djoker do in the draws of his 2 ATG rivals’ title runs? Would he have been a champ regardless of the inflation era draw?

Addressing Nadal 2022 first, I think it’s fair to say that Berrettini would have been no obstacle and that Shapo…. Lol… but I am sure some people on here will attempt to argue that Medvedev, hot off USO 21 and a tricky opponent for Djoker most of the time, would have posed a serious challenge in the final. I still back Djoker here though.


As for Federer 2017, while I think that Berdych would have done a better job of exposing any hamstring issues in early rounds, I still think 2023 Djoker gets through that match. Then he gets his pigeon Nishikori and M Zverev… no problem there. I also think in the final, 2023 Djoker’s big serve and newfound aggression would be too much on a fast court even for a younger Nadal, especially coming off 2016.
However, in the semifinal, he would have reached this:

And there I think his journey might well have ended. That edition of Stan was fit and in form, the reigning USO champion, still not super slow, and loved a bit of Djokovic in slams, whom he’d beaten in their last 2 Bo5 meetings (I am sure Djoker fans will disagree though)

Thoughts????

 

[NatF]

It's nearly impossible to gauge Djokovic's form because of the mugs he's been facing but he has his hands full with Stan and Nadal. He beat Medvedev in 2021 with half his stomach missing so I think he wins 2022 unless Medvedev is able to aggravate the hamstring to an extreme degree.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Wins '22 with ease. Wins '17 with difficulty unless the injury is significant (yeahlol).

 

[Spencer Gore]

He wins both with ease. Unless the injury worsens.

 

[StrongRule]

Peak Istomin is just too good for Djokovic in AO, even the magic injury wouldn't help.

 

[D.Nalby12]

Nadal' 22 win is one of the most unimpressive wins of this era. Now sure why op thinks outcome would have different for Djoko.

 

[weakera]

Loses to Wawrinka and Medvedev

 

[StrongRule]

Nadal' 22 win is one of the most unimpressive wins of this era. Now sure why op thinks outcome would have different for Djoko.

According to you, every Nadal win is unimpressive, especially outside of clay. So not sure how seriously we should take you in this question.

 

[InsideOut900]

Loses to Wawrinka and Medvedev

Peak Medvedev on 21 matches winstreak and fastest AO court ever

 

[InsideOut900]

Wins 2022 dropping no more than 2 sets whole tournament (maybe 1 to Berr and 1 to Med).

2017 Stan would be rough, depends on how he does early into the match. If he goes up 2 sets, he wins, but otherwise it's a 50-50.
Ditto with Ned in the F, it can go either way.

Novak's level and ballstrinking in the last 2 rounds against De Minaur and Rublev was good enough to beat virtually everyone from 2017-2022, except 2017 Stan and Ned. Now let's see how he does in the last 2 rounds

 

[weakera]

Peak Medvedev on 21 matches winstreak and fastest AO court ever

USO 21

 

[StrongRule]

Wins 2022 dropping no more than 2 sets whole tournament (maybe 1 to Berr and 1 to Med).

2017 Stan would be rough, depends on how he does early into the match. If he goes up 2 sets, he wins, but otherwise it's a 50-50.
Ditto with Ned in the F, it can go either way.

Novak's level and ballstrinking in the last 2 rounds against De Minaur and Rublev was good enough to beat virtually everyone from 2017-2022, except 2017 Stan and Ned. Now let's see how he does in the last 2 rounds

If we assume Nadal still comes from a physical 5 hours semifinal against Dimitrov then Djokovic wins it easily.

 

[InsideOut900]

USO 21

Because a match at USO is more important than a match at AO against Djokovic.

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Breeze through both obviously. He’s a far better player in Australia than either guy. And it isn’t even close.

 

[weakera]

Because a match at USO is more important than a match at AO against Djokovic.

More recent so yea

 

[D.Nalby12]

According to you, every Nadal win is unimpressive, especially outside of clay. So not sure how seriously we should take you in this question.

No sane person would say it was impressive win.

 

[jl809]

Breeze through both obviously. He’s a far better player in Australia than either guy. And it isn’t even close.

Do please regale us with all of prime and peak Djoker’s results against Stan at the AO, and then tell us, how is it that it “isn’t even close”?

 

[mike danny]

USO 21

USO != AO.

 

[StrongRule]

No sane person would say it was impressive win.

Right, 35 years old Nadal coming back from 2-0 down and winning a 5 and a half hours match is surely not impressive at all. Weren't you predicting that Medvedev will destroy Nadal before this match? And now trying to present him as a mug. Had it been Federer or Djokovic you would be saying it's one of the most impressive wins ever.

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Do please regale us with all of prime and peak Djoker’s results against Stan at the AO, and then tell us, how is it that it “isn’t even close”?

Do please regale us with all of prime and peak Djoker’s results against Stan at the AO, and then tell us, how is it that it “isn’t even close”?

oh one match during a down year for djoker. It’s not even close because djokovic has systematically destroyed bothFed and nadal time and time again there and is soon to have 10AO titles and has overall dominated the tournament more than either guy. Yes. Not even close. Heck when’s the last time Fed even took a set from Djoker there?

 

[Herald]

oh one match during a down year for djoker. It’s not even close because djokovic has systematically destroyed bothFed and nadal time and time again there and is soon to have 10AO titles and has overall dominated the tournament more than either guy. Yes. Not even close. Heck when’s the last time Fed even took a set from Djoker there?

Beat me to it.

 

[Third Serve]

I think he could lose to Stan which is why I voted the way I did, but let’s wait till the last two rounds are played.

 

[Hitman]

He's playing here injured, so difficult to know.

 

[D.Nalby12]

Right, 35 years old Nadal coming back from 2-0 down and winning a 5 and a half hours match is surely not impressive at all. Weren't you predicting that Medvedev will destroy Nadal before this match? And now trying to present him as a mug. Had it been Federer or Djokovic you would be saying it's one of the most impressive wins ever.

He almost destroyed Nadal Lol.

 

[jl809]

oh one match during a down year for djoker. It’s not even close because djokovic has systematically destroyed bothFed and nadal time and time again there and is soon to have 10AO titles and has overall dominated the tournament more than either guy. Yes. Not even close. Heck when’s the last time Fed even took a set from Djoker there?

Ahh you meant not close to Fed or Ned, as opposed to not close to Stan. Yeah that’s fair.

 

[Kralingen]

Federer of AO 17 thrashes him, what is this poll lel

 

[spottishwood]

Hard to gauge his level when all he's played are a bunch of mugs. Stan of AO'17 beats him imo given he's got an injured hamstring.

 

[spottishwood]

Federer of AO 17 thrashes him, what is this poll lel

Well he'd not meet him would he? Lol. We're placing Djo in Fed's draw.

 

[StrongRule]

He almost destroyed Nadal Lol.

So close to destroying that he didn't even win the match.

 

[WeekendTennisHack]

Don't think he'd win AO17.

 

[EdMcMush]

2017 is coin flip. 2022 no doubt in my mind. there is zero way nadal beats djokovic. maybe Medvedev gives him a tough battle since med beat djok in straights in 21 USO

 

[Lauren_Girl']

2017 was his worst season. Of course not, ... if he couldn't beat Istomin he was never going to win anything this year.

2022 is just lol. His draw was : Kecmanovic, Paul, Sonego, Monfils, Berrettini, Nadal, Medvedev. No way he was losing against one of these players. Paul was nowhere near his current level. Monfils, Berrettini and Nadal are pigeons on hard courts. Medvedev from 2022 would win max 1 set. The most difficult round would have been Sonego, that's saying a lot...
Nadal's draw was Giron, Hanfmann, Khachanov, Mannarino, Shapovalov, Berrettini and Medvedev. I can't see any of these guys winning 3 sets against Djokovic.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Don't know really.

 

[Tennfan123]

Nishikori would have manhandled him in round 4, like he did at the USO that time.

 

[DSH]

Hard to gauge his level when all he's played are a bunch of mugs. Stan of AO'17 beats him imo given he's got an injured hamstring.

Wawrinka choked vs Federer in the fifth set; the lifelong story of his matchups against his "big brother" off the clay.

 

[TMF]

Djokovic wins every hypothetical match at TTW

 

[The Guru]

22 AO he sleepwalks through obviously but I'm inclined to say he most likely loses to one of Fed's tougher opponents. Nishikori is being overlooked here he was quite good in that match. Nadal struggles with Novak on hard but he did play a great match so that's certainly not a given either. Stan is obviously the biggest obstacle as he was actually in pretty great form here imo. I think Novak most likely goes down in 17 probably to Stan. We'll see what his levels like in the final though. As @NatF said who knows what Novak's level really is as he hasn't gotten out of first gear.

 

[maratha_warrior]

Man , are you joking ? Stan was fit and in form for Australian Open 2017 ?

Check the Fed vs Stan March thread , 2017 was Stan's worst form when u see his 2013-14-15 forms .

Stan was injured and took medical time outs for this match .

It was Federer who dragged the match to 5th set . Fed should have ended the match in 3-4 sets.

 

[jm1980]

Depends on the injury of course. A fully healthy Novak would be more than capable of navigating both draws

 

[DSH]

Depends on the injury of course. A fully healthy Novak would be more than capable of navigating both draws

Joker in this tournament has not played against any rival at a high level.
We'll see if Paul doesn't feel the pressure and at least gives the Serbian player a bit of a fight.

 

[TripleATeam]

We haven't seen Djokovic's SF and F performances yet. Based on his form so far, he makes the 2022 SF and the 2017 SF.

Also based on his current form (particularly 4R and QF) he'd make the 2022 final and probably win. In 2017? I'm not sure, Wawrinka and Nadal played quite a high level. I'd lean for Djokovic if he keeps up "Because I wanted to" form. Against him if he's in Dimitrov form.

 

[NatF]

22 AO he sleepwalks through obviously but I'm inclined to say he most likely loses to one of Fed's tougher opponents. Nishikori is being overlooked here he was quite good in that match. Nadal struggles with Novak on hard but he did play a great match so that's certainly not a given either. Stan is obviously the biggest obstacle as he was actually in pretty great form here imo. I think Novak most likely goes down in 17 probably to Stan. We'll see what his levels like in the final though. As @NatF said who knows what Novak's level really is as he hasn't gotten out of first gear.

Always glad to see a Novak fan who's not trying to talk up his draw

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Man , are you joking ? Stan was fit and in form for Australian Open 2017 ?

Check the Fed vs Stan March thread , 2017 was Stan's worst form when u see his 2013-14-15 forms .

Stan was injured and took medical time outs for this match .

It was Federer who dragged the match to 5th set . Fed should have ended the match in 3-4 sets.

lmao

 

[mike danny]

Man , are you joking ? Stan was fit and in form for Australian Open 2017 ?

Check the Fed vs Stan March thread , 2017 was Stan's worst form when u see his 2013-14-15 forms .

Stan was injured and took medical time outs for this match .

It was Federer who dragged the match to 5th set . Fed should have ended the match in 3-4 sets.

What is 15 doing there?

 

[maratha_warrior]

What is 15 doing there?

Yeah . That bagel was pathetic

 

[The Guru]

Always glad to see a Novak fan who's not trying to talk up his draw

Lol who is there to talk up? Rublev? Dimi wasn't awful for a third round opponent I suppose.

 

[Jonesy]

Unfortunately for Fedal, this Djokovic wants vengeance. No one stops that player when rage is his fuel.

 

[DSH]

Unfortunately for Fedal, this Djokovic wants vengeance. No one stops that player when rage is his fuel.

 

[rick kerr]

Unfortunately for Fedal, this Djokovic wants vengeance. No one stops that player when rage is his fuel.

Looking like the APEX PREDATOR of Tennis

 

[SonnyT]

Record 9 time champion would win them all! Just like Rafa at RG!