Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by r2473, Oct 16, 2012.
Are you happy with your current health and fitness level?
Why or why not.
Yeah, I can do what I want to do. Of course when I have more free time, I'll be able to do more, but I'll have the time to train so I can do it.
Scale of 1 (deathbed) to 10 (high school varsity football and varsity basketball) ?
I'm about 3.
Junior high 100 yards, 11.6 seconds with jeans, tennis shoes, and no warmup in 55 degree temps, fully fogged in SanFrancisco. Now, more than 30 seconds, as I can't run.
Standing long jump jr high... 9'2". Now, barely 5'9".
Standing vert. Jr high, 40", no BS. Now, having grown a foot, can't reach the bottom of the basketball net...
Long jump, 8th grade 21'7" in all city, admittedly my best by 2' ever, but the 6 guys who beat me did their personal bests also. Went from dirt track to cork at KezarStadium. Now, for sure no better than 10'.
In college, we ran 6 miles around 38 minutes, if we wanted a shower before the next class. I wanted a shower. Now, I can't go 6 miles period....even in 3 hours.
Happy to be alive.
A few incidents have used up 3 of my 9 lives. Modern American medicine in intensive care units have kept me alive. Alternative medicine keeps me healthy and has close to conquered the viral/bacterial/other malaise that messed me around for a couple of years that standard medicine couldn't cure (maybe caught it in the hospital, or result of so many bad things happening to my body).
Tennis and other exercise keeps me fit and healthy. Unfortunately, tennis (and previously basketball) is taking quite a toll on my body and joints specifically and often it is hard to walk. Still enjoy playing, though, even if only at a 4.0 level.
What alternative medicine do you use?
Lots of vitamins and food supplements, home and ancient remedies, magnets (especially for injuries and recovery), and also yoga and massage.
what supplements, what home remedies
From a post a while ago:
Not happy with it. Lost to one of my main playing partners in a league match about 3 weeks ago after being up 5-2...mainly because of being worn down by some extremely long points. I haven't been running much or doing non-stop hitting sessions for the last 4 months or so..it really caught up to me. I was gassed after choking that first set, probably operating at about 70% the rest of the way.
So, I've been running at least a mile 5 days per week....one mile on weight lifting days, 2 miles on non-weight days, and no running on the day of a match.
We'll see what happens the next time we play.
The guy I lost to competes in endurance races, 5K's and this mudder stuff, so I'm never going to have his level of fitness, but I shouldn't need it as I can control points with strokes and I have a much bigger serve. He's a ball retriever so shots I put past most guys come back. We were having rallies of 20 shots+ that night, where i was basically standing in the middle of the court and he was running back and forth. I won most of them..up until it was 5-2. :cry:
If you recalibrated to: 1 (deathbed) to 10 (normal young adult humanoid), you'd probably be a 6.
To quote Johnnie Mac: "the older I get, the better I used to be..."
"Better" is different from #'s I posted as a youth. "Better" is direved from memory alone.
#'s are recalled from something I actually did, was posted in the school records (both APGianini and LincolnHigh have actual results posted on cardboard all around the top of the men's locker room.
Lincoln's record of 10'2" in the standing long jump lasted until sometime in the mid '90's, having been posted in 1964, by one DomondLee.
That is not conjecture, not memory, nor is it "when I was younger"... stuff.
Is it derived?, I didn't pass English6.
I apologize for being difficult to understand. It never crossed my mind that your numerical values were not accurate. I was commenting on the fact that you, as an individual, are going to be "set up" for appearing currently worse than you really are in the population, specifically because you are comparing your current status, which is likely average for your age, to an astronomically high "peak". Thus coming up with a close to deathbed status for someone who can play tennis, after all.
not as good as it used to be
Compared to the AVERAGE population, my fitness is closer to an 8.5.
Compared to my personal fitness as a youth, barely a 4.
I was king in the urban assault gymnastics, where kids find an abandoned warehouse, or better yet, CoastalArtillery gun emplacements, and do all sorts of stupid jump off the top, climb hanging upside down, stuff. 1963, or thereabouts. What kept me from being the best was my fear of injury, since I'd committed to playing school sports by 8th grade. As a spider, I could climb the length of the bunkers, around 150', hanging upside down using the electric conduits, over and over again.
Now, I can barely ride 39 miles on my road bike.
Can't run one step.
Can't surf in waves over 5'.
Can't snowboard 9-4.
Still can windsurf with the nation's fastest windsurfers, and jump as high as the best in the SF Area. But that is skill more than physical.;
And singles tennis, barely bumpup 4.0, or what I call high 3.5 because even when I can get there, I cant get there with the feet in hitting position and balanced. That's a full point level drop.
I am doing the multivitamin, garlic and fish oil too.
That fish oil thing....
I tried it for 4 weeks couple months ago.
I think it really worked! Seemed the smoothness came back in my hobbling, my ankle still hurt, but didn't bother me during tennis, and I actually felt I could swing my racket with the feet in the right place, for a change.
I'm heading over to the cupboard to take a couple of pills right now...seriously.
3 downed, but with a couple swigs of Bacardi Superior Puerto Rican Rum..
I'm could stand to lose 10 lbs. My fitness level isn't as good as it should be, but my heart rate at rest is in the high 40s. I should spend more time in the gym because I'm not nearly as strong as I used to be (or should be now). I need to find the motivation to work out more, particularly at the gym, but mostly I just run around 15 miles a week, walk the golf course and play tennis. I'm 57 and feel like I need to step things up to regain some of my faded capabilities.
Maybe I"m of weak mind, but by the time I turned 35, I didn't mind being out of shape at all, as long as I could still do the things I wanted to do. I think I ballooned to 150 lbs., from age 33 around 132 lbs. That's a spare tire around the middle for us guys. Maybe guys would kick sand in my face then, but I matured enough to just let it go, and get them back LATER...
Being a surfer, going out at least 5 days a week, I was at the beach LOTS.
Really can't run six miles in 3hrs better not run with me. Training for marathon number 11. Been running 8 miles 7 days a week 7:30 pace. Trying to run under 3hrs. 2:59 would be perfect haha. Wow 6 miles in 38 is fast. Did you run track in College?
I was a phys ed major in college.
Took 2 football/basketball classes, one CrossCountry, one modern dance/fencing/karate. I went to college 3 semesters. Figured, if I was gonna be a gym teacher, I might as well help out the teachers from the inside, their side of the equation.
6 miles in 38 minutes is slow for a runner of any kind. I could do that in junior high, 7th grade, when I was a midget.
Last time I ran for time, around 1979, for motocross training, 4.7 miles in never more than 33 minutes, age 30.
During a recent bicycle race, the Cinderella Century, I had to walk just about a mile from the car to registration, SIX times. Average 17 minutes to 20, gimping along and resting as often as overhang shielded me from the pouring rain.
Interesting that so few of you posters are willing to say how your fitness is, mayb exposing something you don't want known?
Well, that will loosen you up in other ways.
Well, I"m getting perilously close to the end anyways, so what's a swig or two going to do?
I just wonder... if my wheels were still good, what level would I be playing?
Probably exactly the same as now.
I'm "happy" with my current level of fitness (strength in my case) in that I think it's alright
But there's always room for improvement and that's exactly what I aim to do
Yes, and yes...I am...but that doesn't mean I don't intend to improve it (it being fitness...not health).
Why am I happy with my health ?? Because my latest blood analysis turned out perfect, the doctor said I was going to live 100 years (something about "good cholesterol numbers being unusually high...which is supposed to prevent cardiovascular issues and correlates with longevity"). I also don't have serious injuries or diseases (that I know of )...so there's no reason not to be happy.
Why am I happy with my fitness?? Because my cardiovascular fitness is way above most people my age I see around here.
I could get stronger though...and I intend to...in the last years I've limited myself to "playing sports" like tennis, football, table tennis...etc and some biking as all the physical activity I'm doing...and I feel there's a lot of room for improvement in the muscle/power building department....which I intend to work on this winter.
I'll never be a gym rat though... and also I don't care about isolation and how my muscles look, I'm all about function.
I prefer the more complex exercises...the "whole body workout approach" that enables usage of smaller stabilizing muscles as well as larger, more visible muscle groups.
If the function is as it should be...the "look" will follow. I'm in the camp that admires a "gymnast" type who can do anything with his own body much more than a "body builder/power lifter" type who can pump ridiculous amounts of weight in a gym and has bigger muscles...maybe more definition...etc.
Been a long time since I measured my maxes, jumps, and times. Being closer to 40 than 30, I can say that it is at some point in your 30's where fitness becomes harder.
Into my early 30's I would have done a sprint triathalon on a dare. Today, I'd worry about drowning before I made it to the bike.
However, I still make it to the gym 2-3x per week for weights before work. And I manage to get on the tennis court 3-4x per week. Might sneak a round of golf (still breaking 90 from time to time) and a long bike ride in a couple times a month. Basketball, flag football, and road races are in the past, but life could be worse.
I'm probably in the upper 25% of men my age.
My personal health and fitness levels for my age are off the charts.
Many here are talking athletic ability levels declining, and in that regard I don't run as fast, jump as high, or have the upper body strength I used to.
I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.
Sounds like we're being green-lighted to boast a bit. ..Ok, so here goes:
For 48 I think I'm doing very very well... Probably near the top 3%.
Wt: 184lbs., which hasn't changed since college
I love working out and do each of the following 2 x week (2-day split. ..Including other exercises of course)
2 sets of bench-press (bar touches chest, no bounce) w/ 185 lbs for 15 unassisted reps;
2 sets of squats w/ 225 lbs to true parallel for 12 unassisted reps.
2 sets of 18 chin-ups (just shy of full extension, which is bad for elbows)
2 sets of 30" box jumps for 15 reps.
Cardio-wise, using a treadmill, I do 2.5 miles in 30 minutes but break it down into maximum sprints for 2 mins., then 3-4 minutes of walking, then repeat. ..I do this twice-per-week.
..And of course lots of USTA league tennis; some singles, mostly men's and mixed doubles.
While not quite as strong as when I power-lifted in college, I'm much healthier overall and a far far better tennis player these days.
Really most people I know are happy to run a 5k in 38 mins. Did u run in College or pro? What brand and cc dirt bikes did u have? I had a 1983 yz125, 1984 rm 250, 1985 cr 500.
1983 was my last year, I qualified for the Sat. Oakland SuperCross, and in my first race, crashed at the 3rd turn, knocking me out of any chance to go further or go into Sunday.
1978, while still playing Open level tennis, bought my bud's '77 YZ 125.
1979, bought DuaneJoice's YZ-250. He was top 5 ExpertPro in District 36, NorCal.
'79, bought new KX-125 air cooler.
'80, bought new KX-125 air cooler.
'80, bought used '79 Husky 390.
'80, bought new KX-250 air cooler.
'80 traded Husky for early model YZ-490.
'81 bought new KX-420.
'82, bought new RM-125 water cooler.
'82, bought used RM-250 air cooler.
'83, bought new RM-250 watercooler. Quit riding summer of '83, after greenstick ulnar (left forearm) in a CMC Expert 250 race at LakeMadera.
I was never a runner. I jumped long jump for junior high, then played basketball and football 3 years thru high school.....and entered 9 roadraces thru AFM, winning 3rd place overall in 1966's 250 Production class with a year old YDS-3C with DunlopTriangulars, cut baffle, richer jetting, no air box, cut slide, thinner head gasket, trimmed pistons, Thruxton handlebars, and raised footpegs. I crashed in 4 of the races, my history thoughout everything I've ever done.
Oh, one of the guys at the house raced Honda's. From 125's with 23" front wheels, to '83 watercoolers, 250's air and watercooled, and that beast (as you well know), the CR-500. I absolutely HATED that CR-500...scared the beejesuss out of me, when it came on the pipe. Notice I switched from YZ-490 to KX-420, and started top 3 in every Open race, novice thru intermediate, and every VetExpert race.
Couple years, during the TransAms at SearsPt., (where CR-500's dominated), I'm in the newspaper pictures walking around with 2 of my buds, the Honda guy and a Suzuki rider...as spectators, not riders.
I use to be able to play 4 hours of singles. Now I am 10 pounds overweight and not in great shape I am relegated to doubles usually on line 3. :-?
I thought I would have more free time as my kids got older. Actually I have significantly less. My 2 older kids are in a highly academic school with a pretty heavy workload. It is much more difficult than anything I did at the same age. I pretty much have to help them every weeknight in doing homework, looking over papers and preparing for tests. On weekends and sometimes during the week, there are all kinds of things I have to drive them to- violin and piano lessons, tennis, ice skating lessons. I exercise less and play tennis less compared to 5 years ago.
I watch and talk to player's at Hellman Courts, UCBerkeley. Even the very top singles players practice only for 2 hours. Maybe during off season they'll practice longer, but not 4 hours straight. The can hit and giggle tennis for 4 hours, but not play or practice that long.
I dunno- you watch a college singles practice for 2 hours and make deductions based on that? I don't know if you are trolling or are completely daft. The fact they practice for 2 hours doesn't mean they could hit for 4 hours if they wanted to. A lot of people that age (and older) are capable of playing 4 hours. Haven't you ever had to play two tournament matches in one day? Heck I played 3 tennis matches at a tournament in one day 2 singles and one doubles for a total of 6 hours+ of tennis.
With all of your "I remember playing A/Open tournaments back in the day with player blah, blah blah and I am good friends with Harold Solomon but I don't respect his game talk." I thought 4 hours would be nothing for you. Dude you are the motorcross/surf legend of TT that also led his varsity basketball team in rebounding at 5'5", don't let me down with 4 hours is too much tennis!
Sorry, 4 hours is too much for me, and for most tennis players.
Would you believe? Practice is harder than matches! Matches, your adrenalin is up, your interest is up, you've prepared for this moment.
I've hung around practices for CCSF and SFSU, and while TOTAL time of practice might go longer than 3 hours, the player's actual HITTING and movement practice times were closer to 2/3rds or half that.
I've sat in the boat while SammyDuval was practicing. He never did more than 10 slalom passes, or half that many jump practices in one day.
RonGrant and ArtBauman were friends of mine. They only took enough laps to familiarize the track, and had other rider's, including me, break in the various sets of tires.
I went from Novice to 125/Open Pro in motocross in 6 years. Never have I seen any rider practice longer than 45 minutes. Sometimes, they'll ride the bike longer, but it's not practice, and they're not pushing. I used to give rides to RodneySmith, bringing him from his home to our practice track behind Shell's Oil Refinery in Concord/Martinez.
For practice, most top performers warm up/stretch first, then go moderate intensity for a few minutes, then go full speed for less than an hour, because concentration don't last much longer, then cool down and cruise a few, adding the FUN FACTOR back into the equation.
I seriously doubt even a Nadal would practice more than 2 hours at a time, twice a day, during the off season. Nobody works harder than Nadal.
For a junior playing 14s, 4 hour sessions should be the norm. For college players, if they go all out for 2 hours...that's a heckuva load.
They might train that hard in the off season, but I doubt they are on the courts longer than 15 hours in a week and another 5 hrs on weights and conditioning.
Don't forget the running, both long distance and short sprint/recoveries, which take up maybe over an hour and a half 3 times a week.
The actual hitting time is short compared to all the work done away from the court, track, stadium, venue.
NCAA rules limit 20 hours a week for everything
A little over 3 hours a day, 6 days a week, for total practice time. I"m sure they can fudge in the running and sprints, or at least some.
Maybe that's why international players who don't go to US colleges seem to make it in the pros much more often than US college graduates.
I doubt they actually practice much more than 4 hours a day, as the body needs time to recover sometime. Talking 6 days a week schedules.
No. My fitness is not definitely where I want it to be.
I am hating myself for ending up in this situation where I am dealing with musculoskeletal
and repetitive strain injuries.
1. uncertainity involved in diagnosing musculoskeletal problems.
2. insurance costs for dealing with musculoskeletal problems.
3. slow recovery from musculoskeletal problems (draining away my motivation and confidence)
4. Last but not least time. Time it takes to keep up with recovery activities and other
home exercises besides daily chores.
Welcome to the club.
Add bad aging to the equation, lack of local courts, and too many distractions leading me away from tennis thru the years.
Who is thread directed at? College and elite level junior players? I would say that 99% posting on this forum are neither. We are talking about adult club players who don't have intense practice sessions.
Yes I agree that 4 hours of intense practice was a lot. I never claimed I was doing that. Did I say I was engaging in intense practices? LeeD is his usual self goes off on some tangent and threw that in there on his own, I simply said I have played 4 hours of singles in a day and I never said I did it regularly.
Anybody who plays tournaments will often have to play 4 hours in a day because you have to often play 2 matches in day. It is common and not that big of deal if you are in decent shape. Geez all this talk about Nadal only practicing 2 hours and D1 players only practicing 2 hours and some rec player claims to play 4 hours of singles in one day throws your panties into a bunch.
So basically, you're saying your post about your 4 hours is worthless, and contributes nothing to this thread because it's not applicable.
We were talking practice, not standing around, breathing on the courts while eating donuts and cupcakes.
Very cool bikes u had!! I also rode my friends 1982 kx 125 but my 83 125 yz was a better bike. All my bikes I bought used from dads who bought their son a bike with too much power. So all my used bikes I bought were almost new. Never got to ride any bikes from the 70's were they good to ride compared to the 80's bikes? I did ride a 1980 rm 100 but that's the oldest bike I ridden.
No it is not worthless. The OP asked how would you rate your fitness level. I said I was able to play 4 hours of singles which is not trivial but a gauge of how much I was able to do and what I can do now. Playing 4 hours+ of tournament tennis is not sitting around eating cupcakes unless that is what you did in your supposed glory days.
Actually your post is worthless because you contributed nothing to the ORIGINAL question. Instead you go off on your usual tangent about high level players and sprinkled in with how you somehow were associated with them. Why don't go on about how YOUR current fitness level is going and answer the original question?
height and weight
Ballooned to 150? how tall r u 5'6?
I"m 5'11", now a portly 150lbs., at age 63.
I was competitive in all 3 engine sizes because I was lightweight (for 125's). For 500's, it didn't matter, body weight. For 250's, since there's lots of bar banging and leaning on, heavier than me was better.
I used to crack up watching the 80 pros graduate to 125's, when they were still 5' tall. Of course, 80Pro becomes 125 ExpertPro, so they only rode faster. Watched TysonVoland turn faster lap times at Marysville's sand track faster than OpenExpert. Some farm kids can really ride, until that big crash just before he signed the factory Kawasaki contract.
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