HS experience and NTRP rating

[chay337]

According the USTA NTRP chart, it does allow HS players to play at a 3.0 level but the cut off is "successful HS experience". What does that mean?

So aplayer who has played HS, has a winning record, and played in the State tournament can play as a 3.0?

How about a player who has a 3-8 record?

 

[Fuji]

3.5 all the way.

To avoid ANY, ANY questions of sandbagging just go to 3.5. It's what a lot of high school players end up as. Your number 1 guys usually are around 4.0-4.5; most people else however go to 3.5, and if are successful there then 4.0.



-Fuji

 

[J_R_B]

According the USTA NTRP chart, it does allow HS players to play at a 3.0 level but the cut off is "successful HS experience". What does that mean?

So aplayer who has played HS, has a winning record, and played in the State tournament can play as a 3.0?

How about a player who has a 3-8 record?

The minimum guidelines for HS players are:

1. Regular HS players - 3.0
2. Post-season experience - 3.5
3. Ranked Top 20 in 18s in section - 5.5

This is a HUGE loophole that there is no guideline between 3.5 and 5.5. That is an enormous range of ability, and captains around here have been recruiting kids that they know are 4.5 players and self-rating them at 4.0 because there is no guideline against it.

 

[Mike Hodge]

The minimum guidelines for HS players are:

1. Regular HS players - 3.0
2. Post-season experience - 3.5
3. Ranked Top 20 in 18s in section - 5.5

This is a HUGE loophole that there is no guideline between 3.5 and 5.5. That is an enormous range of ability, and captains around here have been recruiting kids that they know are 4.5 players and self-rating them at 4.0 because there is no guideline against it.

Agreed. The loopholes are big enough to drive a truck through. Postseason experience is rather vague, because theoretically you can win a couple matches in postseason, but not be good enough to be state ranked, which means you could play 3.5. Well, if you're good enough to win postseason matches, chances are you're not a 3.5, probably a 4.0 or above.
The kids that I've that seen that play on the competitive HS teams in Florida are not 3.5, even at Nos. 4 and 5 singles.

 

[tennis_tater]

According the USTA NTRP chart, it does allow HS players to play at a 3.0 level but the cut off is "successful HS experience". What does that mean?

So aplayer who has played HS, has a winning record, and played in the State tournament can play as a 3.0?
How about a player who has a 3-8 record?

If you advanced to a championship round in HS, then you have to rate no lower than a 3.5.

To me, if you played HS, but also took lessons and played USTA tournaments (so you played competitively) and have a state ranking, you really shouldn't rank yourself any lower than a 4.0. Depending on your state ranking and where you fall in sectional ranking (if not in top 20), then you should probably be between a 4.5-5.0 if you do have a sectional ranking.

 

[J_R_B]

If you advanced to a championship round in HS, then you have to rate no lower than a 3.5.

To me, if you played HS, but also took lessons and played USTA tournaments (so you played competitively) and have a state ranking, you really shouldn't rank yourself any lower than a 4.0. Depending on your state ranking and where you fall in sectional ranking (if not in top 20), then you should probably be between a 4.5-5.0 if you do have a sectional ranking.

Around here, any kid with a sectional ranking is going to be at least 4.5. Even some kids with no ranking are 4.5s. There are HS kids that are 4.0 or 3.5, but generally not the kids that play enough USTA tournaments to be ranked.

 

[goober]

The minimum guidelines for HS players are:

1. Regular HS players - 3.0
2. Post-season experience - 3.5
3. Ranked Top 20 in 18s in section - 5.5

This is a HUGE loophole that there is no guideline between 3.5 and 5.5. That is an enormous range of ability, and captains around here have been recruiting kids that they know are 4.5 players and self-rating them at 4.0 because there is no guideline against it.

So what do you think should be the new guidelines. I am thinking

Between 20-50 sectional ranking= 5.0,
50-100=4.5
Above 100 = 4.0

I guess this would partly depend on the section and how strong it is in tennis. Maybe stronger sections make the range even broader for 4.5

If you advance more than 2 rounds in your state tourney= 4.5. If you get to semis or finals = 5.0 or 5.5

 

[chay337]

The minimum guidelines for HS players are:

1. Regular HS players - 3.0
2. Post-season experience - 3.5
3. Ranked Top 20 in 18s in section - 5.5

This is a HUGE loophole that there is no guideline between 3.5 and 5.5. That is an enormous range of ability, and captains around here have been recruiting kids that they know are 4.5 players and self-rating them at 4.0 because there is no guideline against it.

Is there a link on the USTA website that states this? Thanks.

 

[goober]

Is there a link on the USTA website that states this? Thanks.

Its from the NTRP experienced players guidelines.

http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/General _ Experienced Player Guidelines.pdf

Technically they are guidelines and enforcement seems to vary by section.

 

[arunstennis]

yeah just wondering rough approximate for where i would fit, i went 16-7 at #1 singles, came up 1 match of the district tournament, and held a rank of 25 in my region for 16s

 

[J_R_B]

yeah just wondering rough approximate for where i would fit, i went 16-7 at #1 singles, came up 1 match of the district tournament, and held a rank of 25 in my region for 16s

Without any further knowledge or video or anything, I would guess 4.5, but that's just a guess.

 

[Tennis Is Magic]

You should probably rate 4.5, as that's what a lot of players you'd see in junior tournaments would likely play. Really, unless you live in a REALLY small state, not many 4.5s make states. Almost every player that qualified for states this past season were 4+ star recruits, with a handful of 5-star and blue chip players.

 

[arunstennis]

yeah man i agree, i live in ohio and honestly if you make states for singles in DI (what i'm in) you are going to play Division I Men's Tennis. It's so hard to break in =(

 

[Tennis Is Magic]

yeah man i agree, i live in ohio and honestly if you make states for singles in DI (what i'm in) you are going to play Division I Men's Tennis. It's so hard to break in =(

I live in Ohio too, and we really don't get enough credit for having some really good players. No 4.5s qualified in D1 high school singles, I'll say that right now. Maybe D2 singles, but not D1.

 

[arunstennis]

I live in Ohio too, and we really don't get enough credit for having some really good players. No 4.5s qualified in D1 high school singles, I'll say that right now. Maybe D2 singles, but not D1.

yeah I couldn't even make it out of sectionals to get to districts! i got to the final 8 (only 4 make it out) and played a senior who is going to a Men's DI school, it's truly ridiculous! And on the other hand i played a kid during the season from a D2 High School who qualified for states and beat him 3 and 2. The discrepency is large in Ohio from Boys DI to D2 in my opinion (excluding Chris Diaz, even though Mueck beat him).

 

[Tennis Is Magic]

yeah I couldn't even make it out of sectionals to get to districts! i got to the final 8 (only 4 make it out) and played a senior who is going to a Men's DI school, it's truly ridiculous! And on the other hand i played a kid during the season from a D2 High School who qualified for states and beat him 3 and 2. The discrepency is large in Ohio from Boys DI to D2 in my opinion (excluding Chris Diaz, even though Mueck beat him).

And CVCA, those kids are something else.

 

[arunstennis]

And CVCA, those kids are something else.

yeah aleman and konstan probably would have won the DI doubles, they basically crushed everyone they played on route to their 2nd DII doubles title, that's crazy to dominate like that!!

 

[J_R_B]

I saw Peter and Maddie Kobelt play in the Middle States US Open Sectional Qualifier. My first impression was holy crap, those kids are super, but then they lost, so who knows?

 

[arunstennis]

yeah ohio is truly a crapshoot with talented guys. but you'll be surprised with how good Cleveland is in producing girls, 3 big time young players, Lauren Davis, Nicole Gibbs, and Kyle McPhillips.

 

[Sakkijarvi]

Post season experience = 3.5 unless there is some current health or injury issue.

 

[arunstennis]

Post season experience = 3.5 unless there is some current health or injury issue.

when they say postseason, does that mean states, or like districts/deep into sectionals?

 

[Sakkijarvi]

when they say postseason, does that mean states, or like districts/deep into sectionals?

When I say "postseason" I am talking getting past the first round or two (which would mean making sectionals) and winning some matches against the best players in your area.

 

[tennis_tater]

when they say postseason, does that mean states, or like districts/deep into sectionals?

As one of the posters above stated, "post-season" is a very vague term. And what you call "districts" or "sectionals," others in other places/states may call them something else. Where I live, you have the local league district play for the regular season. Then teams/players can advance into a regional round. Then a portion of plays from each "regional" throughout the state advance to the state tournament. Reading the USTA player guideline, I would say anyone who advanced to play in any tournament that takes place after the regular season has ended ("POST-season" should self-rate no lower than a 3.5. I understand that some players who play in a "regional" tournament, or maybe a level lower than the State tournament may actually be a 3.0...however, there's no way the USTA can rate each player on a player by player basis. If you play HS tennis and you advanced to play after your regular season is over, the rules say you can't self-rate any lower than a 3.5. Nothing vague about that in my opinion. The rules don't say anything about your individual record or how far you advanced. If you advanced, end of story!