Hurkacz quarter left barren

Who makes SF from this quarter?

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The player with the highest grass-court elo (according to Tennis Abstract) is actually David Goffin. I wouldn't have expected that.
 
that's the winbledon i grew up loving, where you would always have a couple of journeymen like schüttler, baghdatis, björkman and the scud in the semis

the cinderella slam
 
Norrie's opportunity if there ever was one, but remember he's only ever made R3 of each major - never beyond! He will literally do well to make R4 as far as his career results go. I'd love him to smash that and make the QF or SF. What about ADF after he actually ended Hurkacz' campaign?
 
Third Serve said:
I’d rather have it at the end of my career because then I could be able to win Slams I would have no business getting otherwise.
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Nadal/Djokovic have still been facing each other, as well as Medvedev, Zverev, Berretini who are all same level or better than Roddick, Hewitt, Bagdhatis. Today’s era is a little stronger than 2004-2007 overall but still below 2008-2019 which was the Gold era for mens tennis
 
vamos22 said:
Nadal/Djokovic have still been facing each other, as well as Medvedev, Zverev, Berretini who are all same level or better than Roddick, Hewitt, Bagdhatis. Today’s era is a little stronger than 2004-2007 overall but still below 2008-2019 which was the Gold era for mens tennis
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But everything is going to be below 2008 - 2019. :cautious:

If there were four Agassi's (and there are not four Agassi's) all playing great tennis, it still would not be at the level of 2008 - 2019.
 
vamos22 said:
Nadal/Djokovic have still been facing each other, as well as Medvedev, Zverev, Berretini who are all same level or better than Roddick, Hewitt, Bagdhatis. Today’s era is a little stronger than 2004-2007 overall but still below 2008-2019 which was the Gold era for mens tennis
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There is peak Hewitt (and Safin), and other Hewitt and Safin. Those are practically two separate players.
 
Aabye5 said:
But everything is going to be below 2008 - 2019. :cautious:

If there were four Agassi's (and there are not four Agassi's) all playing great tennis, it still would not be at the level of 2008 - 2019.
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Not all of these years belong with one another.
 
The saddest thing of all is that we have transitioned from a Weak Era to a Mug Era.
And it will get even worse. Alcaraz has too big shoes to fill in.
 
Aabye5 said:
There is peak Hewitt (and Safin), and other Hewitt and Safin. Those are practically two separate players.
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Peak Hewitt was basically a worse version of Medvedev with weaker serve. Roddick=Berretini. Zverev = Safin but actually shows up more than once every 5 years. Also Nadal and Djokovic have each other and late prime Federer until 2019.
 
Aabye5 said:
It depends on what you are talking about.

Not all of these years are equal, but the big 3 were still battling it out in 2019.
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Well, then you had Agassi and Fed in 2004 - 2 ATGs

Federer, Nadal and Agassi in 2005 - 3 ATGs

Federer and Nadal in 2006- 2 ATGs

Federer, Nadal and Djokovic in 2007 - 3 ATGs.
 
Third Serve said:
I’d rather have it at the end of my career because then I could be able to win Slams I would have no business getting otherwise.
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What you and many others fail to realize is that on a surface like grass he will always be a mountain to climb in order to beat over best of 5. How can Djokovic have no business winning Wimbledon titles with such a strong serve game where he is holding 90-95% of the time and hitting hitting aces left right and center combined with his returning cababilities. Even if his ground game may seem below standards these last few editions his serve/return game will always be there to help him. And his serve is the most improved shot these last few years.

The fact that you percieve it as "no business winning" despite going for 4th title defence and tying Pete shows you how strong his game is here. Djokovic's combined first two strikes is exactly why he has had such a success combined with all his other outstanding qualities and why he hasn't lost in 5 years now (if you want to look past his injury in 2017) and why Nadal nor Federer or anyone else for that matter can get the better of him on this surface so far.

Lets see how this Wimbledon goes. Maybe this is the year his run ends, but it Will take some effort to break him him down, that is for sure.
 
RF-18 said:
What you and many others fail to realize is that on a surface like grass he will always be a mountain to climb in order to beat over best of 5. How can Djokovic have no business winning Wimbledon titles with such a strong serve game where he is holding 90-95% of the time and hitting hitting aces left right and center combined with his returning cababilities. Even if his ground game may seem below standards these last few editions his serve/return game will always be there to help him. And his serve is the most improved shot these last few years.

The fact that you percieve it as "no business winning" despite going for 4th title defence and tying Pete shows you how strong his game is here. Djokovic's combined first two strikes is exactly why he has had such a success combined with all his other outstanding qualities and why he hasn't lost in 5 years now (if you want to look past his injury in 2017) and why Nadal nor Federer or anyone else for that matter can get the better of him on this surface so far.

Lets see how this Wimbledon goes. Maybe this is the year his run ends, but it Will take some effort to break him him down, that is for sure.
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I can make it easy for you:

Look at what Federer had to deal with at Wimb compared to what Djokovic has. Djokovic would not win Wimb against his 2014/2015 self, I'm pretty sure of that. And I doubt he'd be winning Wimb at an old age against 2 ATGs back to back like in 2019.
 
vamos22 said:
Peak Hewitt was basically a worse version of Medvedev with weaker serve. Roddick=Berretini. Zverev = Safin but actually shows up more than once every 5 years. Also Nadal and Djokovic have each other and late prime Federer until 2019.
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Please, Berrettini won 5 games against a 38 years old Federer in Wimbledon. :rolleyes:

I'm not one of those who try to find excuses for Roddick's horrible record against Federer. But comparing him to Berrettini is a joke.
 
Third Serve said:
In your view, is Roddick essentially a less evolved version of Berrettini?
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Very similar level players, perhaps Roddick moved a bit better but stylistically they pose the same challenge to the top guys. Berretini consistency at slams has been very impressive in the last couple of years and he has only lost to Nadal or Djokovic.
 
StrongRule said:
Please, Berrettini won 5 games against a 38 years old Federer in Wimbledon. :rolleyes:

I'm not one of those who try to find excuses for Roddick's horrible record against Federer. But comparing him to Berrettini is a joke.
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That was then. The 2021- version of Berretini is much more accomplished and developed on grass.
 
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mike danny said:
I can make it easy for you:

Look at what Federer had to deal with at Wimb compared to what Djokovic has. Djokovic would not win Wimb against his 2014/2015 self, I'm pretty sure of that. And I doubt he'd be winning Wimb at an old age against 2 ATGs back to back like in 2019.
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Djokovic has had to deal with Federer 4 times and 2 times against Nadal. Djoko managed to convert these 6 meetings into 5 titles. That's an outrageous conversion against such elites..
 
mike danny said:
I can make it easy for you:

Look at what Federer had to deal with at Wimb compared to what Djokovic has. Djokovic would not win Wimb against his 2014/2015 self, I'm pretty sure of that. And I doubt he'd be winning Wimb at an old age against 2 ATGs back to back like in 2019.
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Why are you putting a player against himself btw? That's completely irrelevant.
 
RF-18 said:
Djokovic has had to deal with Federer 4 times and 2 times against Nadal. Djoko managed to convert these 6 meetings into 5 titles. That's an outrageous conversion against such elites..
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Even his worst run had Shapovalov and Berretini.Better than the Hewitt and Roddick Federer faced in 05.
 
i still root for djoker winning it but without any challenge to the final might not be good for his preparation except saving energy
 
ImmorTAL Big 3 said:
From more than 40 votes you were the only 1 who choose Norrie,i am extremely confused.The guy may not be the greatest grasscourter but is by far the most consistent players from that group.He would hardly make a miracle and defeat really top player but also will hardly be eliminated by mediocre one contrary to Dimitrov or Tiafoe for exemple. I think he and Ruud are the more consistent but Ruud game is far more clayoriented so pick Norrie.
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So weird, at 40 votes it was just the 1 i cast. Now he's waaay out in front. Looks like everyone came to their senses lol
 
This really is Norrie’s quarter to lose. Winning quickly today and not being delayed by today’s backup gives him a leg up on the two other Section 4 Wimby veterans Mannarino and Dimitrov.

Section 3 was a mess even before today so trusting in someone like Bublik to win 4 matches to make QFs is discomfiting at best. Once he or another floater is there, I would pick Norrie.

The other Section 3 seeds left (Ruud, Baez and Tiafoe) are flawed on grass. Bublik fed Tiafoe a bagel FTW at Eastbourne a week ago. Was that a Tiafoe tank to get to Hurlingham for his precious appearance fee?
 
AnOctorokForDinner said:
Dimitrov is the only possily decent semifinal candidate but he is unreliable and will surely fail. No other player in this group should go anywhere near Wimbledon SF in any normal timeframe but this one isn't it. What it tells us?
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Did you miss WIM2000 where Vladimir Voltchkov made the sf?

How about WIM06 where 34 year old Bjorkman got to the sf?

There's quite a few more duds in WIM sf in its history too...

So what it tells us? You're not really much of a tennis historian...
 
vamos22 said:
Peak Hewitt was basically a worse version of Medvedev with weaker serve. Roddick=Berretini. Zverev = Safin but actually shows up more than once every 5 years. Also Nadal and Djokovic have each other and late prime Federer until 2019.
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Yes, Rafa and Nole have each other.

No, Safin was 10x Zverev, and peak Hewitt was more aggressive than Medvedev. Later...he was basically a pusher.
 
mike danny said:
Well, then you had Agassi and Fed in 2004 - 2 ATGs

Federer, Nadal and Agassi in 2005 - 3 ATGs

Federer and Nadal in 2006- 2 ATGs

Federer, Nadal and Djokovic in 2007 - 3 ATGs.
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By that logic --

2019 - Nadal, Djokovic, Federer
2020 - Covid, Nadal, Djokovic
2021 - Djokovic
 
D-Lite said:
Norrie's opportunity if there ever was one, but remember he's only ever made R3 of each major - never beyond! He will literally do well to make R4 as far as his career results go. I'd love him to smash that and make the QF or SF. What about ADF after he actually ended Hurkacz' campaign?
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The space between ADF's ears will keep him from winning. He has the game, just not the mind. The streak will end in a serious downer of a match, IMO. I hope I'm wrong. It'd be great to see him "come of age."
 
StrongRule said:
Please, Berrettini won 5 games against a 38 years old Federer in Wimbledon. :rolleyes:

I'm not one of those who try to find excuses for Roddick's horrible record against Federer. But comparing him to Berrettini is a joke.
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Come on, Matteo is MUCH improved since then. Picking one match in isolation doesn't really prove a point...

It's like saying 26 yr old Federer won 4 games v 22 yr old Nadal... so how does 29 year old Federer win 19 games vs 25 yr old Rafa at RG then?

I'd put him on level pegging with Roddick of 05-06 in terms of threat at majors.
 
AnOctorokForDinner said:
Dimitrov is the only possily decent semifinal candidate but he is unreliable and will surely fail. No other player in this group should go anywhere near Wimbledon SF in any normal timeframe but this one isn't it. What it tells us?
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My goodness, are we talking about a grand slam tournament or an ATP250?
 
T007 said:
Are you afraid of djoker...rudd is the weakest opponent in a final ever in open era
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Not that privilege belongs to Brian Gottfried, who in the final at RG 1977 against Guillermo Vilas won the ridiculous figure of three games.
Ruud is on another level.
:p
 
I like this quarter honestly, lots of entertaining players. I'd love Bublik to reach the SF but it's unlikely, or Tiafoe. It will be cool to watch, Hurcakz is usually more solid and consistent than a lot of these guys, but I find his game not very interesting and pleasing tbh.
 
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