Hybrid Poly/Syn Gut - poly as main or cross

[veecee]

So I started with full poly and I need some extra softness so I'm looking at a hybrid setup with synthetic gut (Gosen OG). I love the spin of poly and I know I won't get as much spin once I hybrid it with synthetic gut.

So my question is, for maximum spin potential should I run the poly as mains or crosses? I have these poly's at my disposal - Cyclone, V-Torque and Black Shark.

 

[SpinToWin]

For synthetic gut, I'd put the polys in the mains, otherwise the durability will be much too short and there is no real advantage in spin, as the string snapback is not as extreme as multi/poly or even gut/poly.

However, different people have different preferences, so string both setups (poly main and poly cross) at the same tension and see what you prefer.
Cheers.

 

[Out?]

if your prioritizing spin potential then yes poly in mains

 

[veecee]

Thanks guys. I wasn't sure with synthetic, as I've read that people run their gut in the mains with their gut/poly hybrids.

 

[mikeler]

Thanks guys. I wasn't sure with synthetic, as I've read that people run their gut in the mains with their gut/poly hybrids.

My opinion is contrary to most people here but I've always seen more action on my shots with polyester in the mains versus gut. The heaviest shots I hit are with all polyester.

 

[SpinToWin]

Thanks guys. I wasn't sure with synthetic, as I've read that people run their gut in the mains with their gut/poly hybrids.

Gut is a whole other issue as it is much softer. Syn Gut is fairly stiff, stiffer than multis most of the time, so whether it is in the mains or the crosses doesn't matter that much.

Gut however... Put it in the mains if you use it. Like, seriously.

 

[veecee]

Thanks for all the replies. I realised that gut would be a very different beast which is why I started this thread. And it sounds like I should be keeping my polys in as mains.

I currently have a full bed of Volkl V-Torque at 50lbs in my Head Extreme Pro 2.0. So if I'm after a bit more comfort and perhaps a touch more pop, what tensions should I go to with the V-Torque/Gosen OG combo?

 

[SpinToWin]

Thanks for all the replies. I realised that gut would be a very different beast which is why I started this thread. And it sounds like I should be keeping my polys in as mains.

I currently have a full bed of Volkl V-Torque at 50lbs in my Head Extreme Pro 2.0. So if I'm after a bit more comfort and perhaps a touch more pop, what tensions should I go to with the V-Torque/Gosen OG combo?

Keep the poly tension the same. I'd first string them both at the same tension and adjust from there. If it launches, string the syn gut a bit tighter.

 

[KYHacker]

I would actually recommend a very slippery round poly like Prince Tour xc and a hardened Syn gut with a coating like Head PPS. I would start with thick Syn gut in the mains and see if the durability is suitable. Shaped poly in the crosses will not have enough durability as it will cut through Syn gut mains very quickly.

 

[Korso]

Your going to get more pop with the hybrid. Keep the poly the same and string up the synthetic 3 lbs higher.

 

[BlueB]

I would actually recommend a very slippery round poly like Prince Tour xc and a hardened Syn gut with a coating like Head PPS. I would start with thick Syn gut in the mains and see if the durability is suitable. Shaped poly in the crosses will not have enough durability as it will cut through Syn gut mains very quickly.

I like that combo too! PPS 17 I brake quickly, but 16 is ok. I string up to 10lbs looser poly crosses.

 

[veecee]

Your going to get more pop with the hybrid. Keep the poly the same and string up the synthetic 3 lbs higher.

Thanks mate. I'll give that combo a try.

 

[anubis]

So I started with full poly and I need some extra softness so I'm looking at a hybrid setup with synthetic gut (Gosen OG). I love the spin of poly and I know I won't get as much spin once I hybrid it with synthetic gut.

So my question is, for maximum spin potential should I run the poly as mains or crosses? I have these poly's at my disposal - Cyclone, V-Torque and Black Shark.

Maximum spin potential: always put the smoothest strings in the crosses, period.

You can put anything you want in the mains: gut, nylon, multi, kevlar, zyex, whatevs. But just keep your cross strings smooth -- which means poly. And keep them looser than the mains as well.

 

[Irakli]

Maximum spin potential: always put the smoothest strings in the crosses, period.

You can put anything you want in the mains: gut, nylon, multi, kevlar, zyex, whatevs. But just keep your cross strings smooth -- which means poly. And keep them looser than the mains as well.

+1.
Absolutely agree from my personal experience. I always put poly in crosses no matter what I use in mains. For me, durability is pretty good, but that's mostly because I use Prestige MP with 18X20 pattern, in 16X19 pattern soft main poly cross would break much faster I guess.

Irakli

 

[veecee]

So after a bit of deliberation, I bit the bullet and had my racquet restrung with V-Torque mains (50lbs) with Gosen synthetic crosses (54lbs). And I am very pleased with this combo!

The extra pop and comfort I was seeking are both there and my 1st serves have become more of a weapon. And best of all, I don't think I am missing much spin compared to a full bed of V-Torque.

I'm going to stick with this combo for a while and see how long they last before I have to cut them out. Then I'll be giving the Black Shark a try.

Thanks for everyone's advise!

 

[Elburz D Kipge]

Maximum spin potential: always put the smoothest strings in the crosses, period.

You can put anything you want in the mains: gut, nylon, multi, kevlar, zyex, whatevs. But just keep your cross strings smooth -- which means poly. And keep them looser than the mains as well.

Why do i put the ALU on the cross and the synthetic gut in the mains ? What will be the advantage ? As far as i believe it wont last more than 5-6 hours. It doesnt seem durable depending on the synthetic gut.

Also what will be the advantage of -1 point tension on the cross if it is a co poly or exc.? Thanks.
I did a new hybrid, ALU Power on main , X-1 BIPHASE on crosses, with 24.5/25.5 kg tension. Can you please give me feedback anyone ?

 

[anubis]

Why do i put the ALU on the cross and the synthetic gut in the mains ? What will be the advantage ? As far as i believe it wont last more than 5-6 hours. It doesnt seem durable depending on the synthetic gut.

Also what will be the advantage of -1 point tension on the cross if it is a co poly or exc.? Thanks.
I did a new hybrid, ALU Power on main , X-1 BIPHASE on crosses, with 24.5/25.5 kg tension. Can you please give me feedback anyone ?

The advantage of putting a rough poly in the cross, such as ALU Power rough or Solinco tour Bite diamond rough, is that you also get additional "string to ball" friction. Where a smooth poly will allow great main string movement, those smooth crosses slide laterally over the ball without gripping it at all.

but then again, it all depends on how you generate your spin. If you swing slowly and rely on string to ball friction, then using the roughest strings possible will help most. If you swing very fast and rely on string elasticity/snap back motion to apply spin to the ball, then you want your mains moving freely as much as possible.

As to tension differences, I don't know what you mean by "exc.". my rule of thumb is: homogeneous string bed: string the same tension in mains and crosses. gut/poly hybrid in standard 16x19 or 18x20 frames, string crosses 4 lbs looser. spin effect frames, i.e. reduced cross string frames, always string same tension mains and crosses regardless of the strings.

For ALU power mains plus x-1 biphase on crosses, what you're going to get is a slightly more powerful string bed than a full ALU power bed. However, you're going to likely snap your x-1 biphase crosses before the poly strings die. lastly, you're not going to get much if any mains string movement: so for topspin you're relying on string to ball friction only.

 

[Elburz D Kipge]

The advantage of putting a rough poly in the cross, such as ALU Power rough or Solinco tour Bite diamond rough, is that you also get additional "string to ball" friction. Where a smooth poly will allow great main string movement, those smooth crosses slide laterally over the ball without gripping it at all.

but then again, it all depends on how you generate your spin. If you swing slowly and rely on string to ball friction, then using the roughest strings possible will help most. If you swing very fast and rely on string elasticity/snap back motion to apply spin to the ball, then you want your mains moving freely as much as possible.

As to tension differences, I don't know what you mean by "exc.". my rule of thumb is: homogeneous string bed: string the same tension in mains and crosses. gut/poly hybrid in standard 16x19 or 18x20 frames, string crosses 4 lbs looser. spin effect frames, i.e. reduced cross string frames, always string same tension mains and crosses regardless of the strings.

For ALU power mains plus x-1 biphase on crosses, what you're going to get is a slightly more powerful string bed than a full ALU power bed. However, you're going to likely snap your x-1 biphase crosses before the poly strings die. lastly, you're not going to get much if any mains string movement: so for topspin you're relying on string to ball friction only.

Thank you for the usefull comment.

So at the last sentence u said; that i would rely on the ball friction in this setup. But also you said softer poly's like Alu power(not rough), that u depend on string elasticity instead of friction. So but in the last sentence u said that we depend on friction in this hybrid. Why is ALU full bed depends on elasticiy, while a hybrid(ALU Main,Bipahse 17 Cross) depend on friction ? Does the Biphase reducesea the elasticity of the ALU ?

And also what kind of hybrid will you advice, similar to this where we can benefit from fricton and elastacity together.

 

[anubis]

So at the last sentence u said; that i would rely on the ball friction in this setup. But also you said softer poly's like Alu power(not rough), that u depend on string elasticity instead of friction. So but in the last sentence u said that we depend on friction in this hybrid. Why is ALU full bed depends on elasticiy, while a hybrid(ALU Main,Bipahse 17 Cross) depend on friction ? Does the Biphase reducesea the elasticity of the ALU ?

Because the biphase crosses are a very rough string and will not allow the poly mains to slide across, however smooth those poly mains are. After 20 minutes of hitting those poly mains are forever glued to the biphase crosses. Therefore you're looking at string to ball friction.

Any time you put a smooth poly in the cross, then virtually any type of main strings (poly, rough multi, or otherwise) will slide freely over them, meaning you're getting good elasticity and snap-back.

And also what kind of hybrid will you advice, similar to this where we can benefit from fricton and elastacity together.

Personally I don't like hybrids. I never recommend them. IF someone wants me to string their racquet with a hybrid, I will do it, but I don't believe they offer the average rec player any advantages. They only make for more expensive string jobs with reduced life expectancy and spin potential.

I generally recommend a full bed of poly strung low. I use the Wilson Ultra 100 with Solinco Tour Bite Soft 16 @ 35 lbs and it is perfect for me. I think most would get better longevity, spin, power and control by following a similar idea.

 

[rider4ever]

So after a bit of deliberation, I bit the bullet and had my racquet restrung with V-Torque mains (50lbs) with Gosen synthetic crosses (54lbs). And I am very pleased with this combo!

The extra pop and comfort I was seeking are both there and my 1st serves have become more of a weapon. And best of all, I don't think I am missing much spin compared to a full bed of V-Torque.

I'm going to stick with this combo for a while and see how long they last before I have to cut them out. Then I'll be giving the Black Shark a try.

Thanks for everyone's advise!

Did you try black shark mains and Gosen OG sheep crosses? This is my current setup at 51/55 and happy so far