Hybrid Setup for College player

wilstringing

New User
Hey guys!
I wanted to open up a new thread with a small question I that I've had on my mind these last couple of days. I'm currently a college tennis player and I use a full poly setup (Pro's Pro Concept, but I have also used Kirschbaum Pro Line 2 and Solinco Tour Bite), but I wanted to switch to a hybrid setup. Any suggestions?
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
what stick? what tensions? what kind of game? what kind of hybrid are you thinking of? why would you consider hybrids?
 

wilstringing

New User
Right now I'm using the Wilson KBlade 98, usually strung at 56, though I prefer to play with tensions near the 40's. I'm thinking of a poly/synthetic or a poly/multi hybrid. I wanted to try a hybrid setup again, there's not really a particular reason, I just like to try different things.
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
the kblade is a 18mains stick.

if you have a topspincentered game, a poly/syngut combo would provide a match in durability in regard to the two strings. either the poly breaks first but the syngut would be already very thinned out in the hitting area, or you go through the syngut crosses first but have already very deep notching on the mains. my issue with synguts as crosses is that after some 2hrs of intensive practice there is a certain tension drop which makes the sticks almost unplayable for the next hour until they break. there is almost no exception to this behaviour - and i have gone through some 20+ different synguts over the past year.

a multi as a cross will leave you with a major problem, that is unless you string yourself. most multis i have tried broke in the crosses after one session, while the poly in the mains is quite notched, but usually capable of going through another session until breakage. since i string myself i usually restring only crosses once, and at the end of the second session the mains will either have broken or the second set of crosses, leaving the mains deeply notched and on the last shots.

i string usually in the mid 40's but play a stiffer stick than the kblade with 16mains and modified to a very high sw, which, besides my topspincentered game explains the short durability of strings with me. the kblade has a rather high sw, around the 330 figure if my memory serves me right, but with the 18mains pattern it should not be "eating" up strings that fast.
 

wilstringing

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Yeah you're right. The last time I used a poly/synthetic hybrid I noticed the tension dropped pretty fast. I do string for myself though. I wanted a combination that has good bite on the ball, any suggestions?
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
i used for the last year and a half as my reference set-up (i do play competitional in my age bracket obviously) the kirschbaum helix 1.20 mains at 21,5kg with the mantis comfort synthetic / pro's pro hitech multifibre 1,30 also at 21,5kg. crosses regularly broke after 2 hours as stated already, i used to restring and after another two hours the mains would be on the last shots too. this thin kirschbaum is quite resistant - some other polys, even thicker ones break between 2-3 hours.

but i recently playtested the pro's pro lethal 5 1.24 in the mains. while it lasted just two hours, broke with the crosses being on the last strands too, it is dirt cheap and the playing characteristics have been very good for me. i missed a little bit of crispyness i get from the helix, but then i strung it up at 21kg as it was a thicker diameter. i would certainly go up with it at least to 21,5 if not 22.
i also played the pro's pro gutex ultra 1,25 and the 1,30 and it was spinning the ball a little bit better than the mcs/htmf and lasted about the same time.
so i really started considering to switch to the lethal 5 1,24 / gutex ultra 1,25, because i basically do get what i want out of the stringbed and recrossing with all the associated fuss (clamping the stick, removing crosses, etc.) only saves me 5 mins compared to a fresh stringjob.

this is a combo i have not played yet, so i'm not going to commit to it right away, but i will surely replace the mcs/htmf with the gutex ultra as a cross. then i'll also see if the "theoretical" matchup will also behave well on court.
 

wilstringing

New User
Hmm, so you use Pro's Pro too. What type of multi or synthetic from Pro's Pro do you like? And do you know a Pro's Pro poly that can give out spin? Concept is great for me, even in durability, the only thing I don't like is the fact that it doesn't give out too much spin. I really enjoy Pro's Pro, and it's my favorite brand, great price, and strings are really good, just less expensive which is helpfull in my case since I have a lower budget.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
I don't play that frame, but I've strung it for a few sluggers who do. We've been doing well with Isospeed Baseline 1.20mm (17L ga.) mains and Gosen OGSM 16 ga. crosses. One player likes it with the Isospeed tensioned in the mid 40's, Gosen in the low 50's. Another likes it at 55 lbs. for both.
 

wilstringing

New User
Ohh nice setup! I heard about Isospeed before, seemed like a great string, also heard of Gosen OGSM I was thinking about buying a reel
 

kiteboard

Banned
Hey guys!
I wanted to open up a new thread with a small question I that I've had on my mind these last couple of days. I'm currently a college tennis player and I use a full poly setup (Pro's Pro Concept, but I have also used Kirschbaum Pro Line 2 and Solinco Tour Bite), but I wanted to switch to a hybrid setup. Any suggestions?
Use tier 1 fire wire 1.30mm mains, and x1biphase 16g crosses. See my thread: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/my-string-experience-experiment-for-today.546789/
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
Hmm, so you use Pro's Pro too. What type of multi or synthetic from Pro's Pro do you like? And do you know a Pro's Pro poly that can give out spin? Concept is great for me, even in durability, the only thing I don't like is the fact that it doesn't give out too much spin. I really enjoy Pro's Pro, and it's my favorite brand, great price, and strings are really good, just less expensive which is helpfull in my case since I have a lower budget.
the only synthetic worthwile is dynapower, but it comes in almost at the same price as the multis. it is definitely more durable, that is it lasts some 3hrs for me to breakage as opposed to the multis which get to 2hrs. but it notches the mains more and they also only last roughly 3hrs. the reason why i don't play with syngur crosses is, as already mentioned, and as is the case with dynapower too, after about 2hrs they really go down in tension and you have to adjust your strokes beyond what is reasonable for a proper targeted practice. the dynapower though is one of the few synguts that keeps going for roughly two hours, while quite a lot of the others, even higher priced ones already go down after one hour of serious hitting. gosen ogsm is similar to dynapower, as is prince syngut duraflex.

the multi i played for quite a while was/is hitech multifibre. hotstuff is a little bit softer even but also breaks at roughly 2hrs. the gutex ultra 1.30 last a little bit longer, but i'm talking 15mins here, but comes slightly stiffer and with less touch. i am about to order a reel of gutex ultra 1,25 which gives me about the same touch i like as the htmf, also lasts around 2hrs but has slightly more power while improving, slightly again, on control. it also allows for slightly better spin, so due to my stroking mechanics, this is where control comes from.

in regard to polys, the blackout 1.24 is a very decent and reasonable string with good durability too - usually lasted me about 2 sessions (4hrs) and took a recrossing. as i said, i'm seriously considering the lethal5 1,24 as my next "reference" poly mains but i will give the lethal 5 1,27 a shot too and will have to play them with the soon to arrive gutex ultra 1.25 crosses. the lethal5 1,24 i played with the htmf and was more than pleasantly and positively surprised - it simply did whatever i wanted (needless to say that this happened whenever i set up correctly, but it also bailed me out more often than not when on the run!).
the hexaspin twist is also a pretty spinny string, but i thought of it as being a little bit too stiff. others i haven't played yet, so i can't really comment.

the isospeed basline is a really great line of strings with very good performances, as long as you go through them quite fast. now this is a general problem for me in the sense that i simply can't comment on tension maintenance, as very few polys fade away in four hours of hitting, most of the time on two consecutive days, in wintertime basically with one day break inbetween sessions. i played the baselines in 1,20 and 1.25 in my old nblades 107s (18mains), but this was about 4-5 years ago. in that denser pattern they lasted for 5 respectively 7 hrs but both had a pretty significant tension drop at the 4hrs respectively 5hrs mark. since they are not expensive it is reasonable to cut them out and restring once the playability goes south.
 

wilstringing

New User
Nice! Hey I wanted to ask you, how does Pro's Pro Lethal feel? I'm about to order a reel but I wanted to know how well it played before I do so.
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
it is somewhat softer than the strings i usually play, but strung slightly higher it displays FOR ME!!! the same crispiness and liveliness i get from the helix 1,20. i only played the 1,24mm version of the lethal 5, the lethal 8 1,24 apparently spins the ball less for me and i have a little bit a more difficult time playing shortangled crosscourt-shots than i have with the lethal 5.

i have to mention again, maybe you skipped that part and i feel the urge to warn! you, it is a shortlived string - durability is in the two hours range while i usually get 4hrs out of the kirschbaum helix 1,20!!! the only reason why it is an option for me is that it comes really cheap and i basically would only "save" five minutes stringing time with what i did for the past two years, that is recrossing the helix once.
 

wilstringing

New User
Oh, okay. The reason I ask is that I was thinking of using lethal as a main for my setup, and I wanted to know how good it was. I was also thinking of stringing for some of my friends and didn't know if the string would be any good. Any recommendations of strings other than Lethal 5 that I could buy?
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
strings depend very much on the playing style of the respective person as well as the stick he/she uses and tensions employed. for an indication of what i find to be good strings, obviously for my heavily topspincentered game, look at my "structured/shaped polys playtest"-thread. in regard to plain round strings i also enjoyed kirschbaum competition 1.20, mantis power poly 1.25 or the quite expensive ashaway monogut zx. i played a few natty/poly hybrids i found really thrilling but i can't afford a set of natty mains for every 3-4hrs of play and i assume (most) college players are on a budget too.
in regard to crosses i'm sold to gutex ultra or hitech multifibre, but had a positive experience with black force 1.20 too, although, for me again, it does not match the playing experience of the multis.
as stated earlier i'm seriosly considering to switch my "competitional" sticks to the lethal5 1.24 / gutex ultra 1.25 combo as it could be a combo that provides a very good playing experience and it comes in, in europe at least, at a very "friendly" cost. the gutex proved by a little margin better in the combo with the helix 1.20 and i expect it to perform well with the lethal5 too, but this will soon show on court.
 
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