Hybrid spin potential

[Jonathan Hong]

Hey guys, Ive been using a hybrid with volkl cyclone 17g and tecnifibre x1 biphase, but I want to maximize spin potential. I keep hearing that putting the poly in the mains will be more spin friendly, but upon trying it out, it seems that the poly doesn't have much of an ability to have any snap back from the multi crosses. So in terms of spin potential, should I put the poly in the mains or the crosses? And what tension?

 

[ricardo]

Maximum spin potential
Grippy mains/slippery crosses

example:

Volkl Cyclone/Monogut ZX

 

[Jonathan Hong]

Maximum spin potential
Grippy mains/slippery crosses

example:

Volkl Cyclone/Monogut ZX

But what about the strings that I already have?

 

[ricardo]

But what about the strings that I already have?

Volkl Cyclone is grippy and slippery.
However, X1-Biphase is neither grippy nor slippery.

Having said that, try X1-biphase mains/volkl cyclone crosses.
Tension X1 higher than Cyclone by at least 5lbs.

 

[Daniel_K]

Poly mains with either gut or multis is not very spin friendly, contrary to belief.

if you have gut and multi put the multi in the mains and the poly in the cross. Spin is good, but durability is pretty poor.

 

[CopolyX]

spin potential is really squat unless you have the skills to create spin.

 

[fjcamry]

I agree you have to generate your own spin. Try lower tension in the co poly regardless if in mains or crosses to find yourself dialed in the most . Try syngut as a hybrid with co poly to gain feel for the ball , then generate spin from the correct form .


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[Holliman]

Probably best to stick with a full bed of a shaped poly. Hyper G, Tour Bite, Cyclone, etc...

 

[2nd Serve Ace]

Hey guys, Ive been using a hybrid with volkl cyclone 17g and tecnifibre x1 biphase, but I want to maximize spin potential. I keep hearing that putting the poly in the mains will be more spin friendly, but upon trying it out, it seems that the poly doesn't have much of an ability to have any snap back from the multi crosses. So in terms of spin potential, should I put the poly in the mains or the crosses? And what tension?

Just do a full bed of the cyclone @ 48 lbs and see if you can trade the biphase with somebody.

 

[fjcamry]

Probably best to stick with a full bed of a shaped poly. Hyper G, Tour Bite, Cyclone, etc...

I don't advise full bed unless you know the feel of the ball. Its impossible with the stiffness as much with co poly vs the feel with some syngut. At least to maximize dialing in the shot.

Multi filaments I don't know . I'm referring to a hybrid with syngut and copoly .

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[Allcourtguy]

I agree you have to generate your own spin. Try lower tension in the co poly regardless if in mains or crosses to find yourself dialed in the most . Try syngut as a hybrid with co poly to gain feel for the ball , then generate spin from the correct form .


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Agree with this 100%. I am currently using HyperG 18g / Vokyl Classic Syn gut 17 g and really feel like I am getting the best of both worlds. Great spin and comfort.

 

[seekay]

But what about the strings that I already have?

Cyclone is tricky because of its gear shape and sharp edges. You've already found that Cyclone mains don't slide sideways across soft cross strings. If you put the strings you have in the other configuration, the edges on the Cyclone would cut into the Biphase as it slides back and forth. You'd get good performance, but poor durability.

The strings you have don't tend to bring out each other's strengths, which is why you're not getting a lot of advice in how to effectively hybrid them together. If I were in your place, I'd get a set of non-textured, round, slippery string and try that as a cross with Cyclone and Biphase mains. Comparing those two setups should tell you a lot about all the strings involved as well as what naturally works well for you.

 

[LocNetMonster]

Try Tier One Firewire 18g mains and a slick 15g round poly for crosses. Straighten the crosses when you pull tension. This forces the sharp edge of Firewire to stick out. If you are string breaker go with 17g Firewire instead. You can put Firewire in the crosses but I feel it lowers spin potential.

 

[njhmusicman]

Try Tier One Firewire 18g mains and a slick 15g round poly for crosses. Straighten the crosses when you pull tension. This forces the sharp edge of Firewire to stick out. If you are string breaker go with 17g Firewire instead. You can put Firewire in the crosses but I feel it lowers spin potential.

This is a interesting setup. What got you to try this and why the thinner gauge in the main and the thicker in the crosses?

 

[travlerajm]

Maximum spin potential
Grippy mains/slippery crosses

example:

Volkl Cyclone/Monogut ZX
Volkl Cyclone is grippy and slippery.

However, X1-Biphase is neither grippy nor slippery.

Having said that, try X1-biphase mains/volkl cyclone crosses.
Tension X1 higher than Cyclone by at least 5lbs.

Listen to this guy.

 

[LocNetMonster]

QUOTE="njhmusicman, post: 11060587, member: 735985"]This is a interesting setup. What got you to try this and why the thinner gauge in the main and the thicker in the crosses?[/QUOTE]

Long story, really, really short ... After lots of trial and error, with Firewire in the mains I figured out I needed a low power string in the crosses in my Pure Storm to keep the ball in the court. A full bed in this frame was too much in Pure Storm and Pure Control sticks and for my swing dynamics. The initial run was with Firewire and a 16g nylon string. My thinking was the thinner, sharp Firewire would bite the ball better with a thicker string pushing that edge up higher off the string bed. Plus, I wanted/needed a thicker string to reduce power so I could take what feels like a natural swing for me.

After one set the FW roughed up the nylon enough that strings didn't glide easily back into place. It did make things slightly better performance-wise for me on the court. With soft multi, Sgut and nylon for a cross string, the edge 'bites' into the softer material hampering both the exposing that sharp edge and string movement during play.

Just before Christmas I found Prince XC 15g yellow reels on sale for $56 online. I bought one and should have got three since there are selling now between $130 and $180. Reviews said it was low powered, but what got my attention was the super slick coating, which I thought would, and do, help the mains snap back faster thus increasing spin. I had proved this theory only days earlier using Tier One's Strike Force RIP in the crosses. It is a slick poly like XC, except it was overpowered for my sticks. In a lower power or softer racquet, FW 18g /RIP 16g combo would be dynamite combination.

What I noticed is when I straighten the XC cross string with tension on it while stringing, the Firewire mains adjust so that one flat edge rests on the stiff, round cross at nearly every intersection pushing the sharp edge up on the racquet face - does that make sense? Now, just about any slice shot I hit - drop, serve, FH, BH - I can put some seriously nasty, nasty spin on it. I play in two different doubles clubs. I overhear guys warn their partner, who may not haven't faced me before, to watch out because I hit with "massive" spin ... lol

FWIW, my current go-to set up is FW(18g, 58#)/XC(15g, 55#).

 

[LocNetMonster]

Grippy mains/slippery crosses

Sounds like the name of grunge band .... LOL

 

[fjcamry]

Agree with this 100%. I am currently using HyperG 18g / Vokyl Classic Syn gut 17 g and really feel like I am getting the best of both worlds. Great spin and comfort.

Where do you place the syngut ? Are you noticing any locking up on string movement?


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[njhmusicman]

QUOTE="njhmusicman, post: 11060587, member: 735985"]This is a interesting setup. What got you to try this and why the thinner gauge in the main and the thicker in the crosses?

Long story, really, really short ... After lots of trial and error, with Firewire in the mains I figured out I needed a low power string in the crosses in my Pure Storm to keep the ball in the court. A full bed in this frame was too much in Pure Storm and Pure Control sticks and for my swing dynamics. The initial run was with Firewire and a 16g nylon string. My thinking was the thinner, sharp Firewire would bite the ball better with a thicker string pushing that edge up higher off the string bed. Plus, I wanted/needed a thicker string to reduce power so I could take what feels like a natural swing for me.

After one set the FW roughed up the nylon enough that strings didn't glide easily back into place. It did make things slightly better performance-wise for me on the court. With soft multi, Sgut and nylon for a cross string, the edge 'bites' into the softer material hampering both the exposing that sharp edge and string movement during play.

Just before Christmas I found Prince XC 15g yellow reels on sale for $56 online. I bought one and should have got three since there are selling now between $130 and $180. Reviews said it was low powered, but what got my attention was the super slick coating, which I thought would, and do, help the mains snap back faster thus increasing spin. I had proved this theory only days earlier using Tier One's Strike Force RIP in the crosses. It is a slick poly like XC, except it was overpowered for my sticks. In a lower power or softer racquet, FW 18g /RIP 16g combo would be dynamite combination.

What I noticed is when I straighten the XC cross string with tension on it while stringing, the Firewire mains adjust so that one flat edge rests on the stiff, round cross at nearly every intersection pushing the sharp edge up on the racquet face - does that make sense? Now, just about any slice shot I hit - drop, serve, FH, BH - I can put some seriously nasty, nasty spin on it. I play in two different doubles clubs. I overhear guys warn their partner, who may not haven't faced me before, to watch out because I hit with "massive" spin ... lol

FWIW, my current go-to set up is FW(18g, 58#)/XC(15g, 55#).[/QUOTE]

How is the durability/playabilty of this setup?

 

[Allcourtguy]

Where do you place the syngut ? Are you noticing any locking up on string movement?


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The syn gut is in the crosses. Slight denting after a couple hours on it, so I move each main back and forth across the crosses to smooth them out a little before each match and they slide very well throughout the entire match.

 

[LocNetMonster]

How is the durability/playabilty of this setup?

Playability in my PS and PC sticks are heavenly. Pace is so-so because of the thick, stiff XC in the crosses which why I string it 3-5# under the mains' tension. Spin, OTOH, is incredibly stupid. Balls will look like they are going to sail long and then dive into the court. The kick after the bounce is explosive. Control is awesome for about 10-12 hours for me. The strings are still playable after that for another probably 8-10 hours, IMHO. When my placement starts getting inconsistent, cut them out. I have six clients, mostly 3.5-4.0s, who use this set up with RIP in the crosses instead of XC. They love the increase spin and generally play it until they break a string. For someone who is primarily a slice player, the durability is probably significantly longer.

 

[njhmusicman]

Playability in my PS and PC sticks are heavenly. Pace is so-so because of the thick, stiff XC in the crosses which why I string it 3-5# under the mains' tension. Spin, OTOH, is incredibly stupid. Balls will look like they are going to sail long and then dive into the court. The kick after the bounce is explosive. Control is awesome for about 10-12 hours for me. The strings are still playable after that for another probably 8-10 hours, IMHO. When my placement starts getting inconsistent, cut them out. I have six clients, mostly 3.5-4.0s, who use this set up with RIP in the crosses instead of XC. They love the increase spin and generally play it until they break a string. For someone who is primarily a slice player, the durability is probably significantly longer.

I am thinking about trying this setup but with Gamma iO soft 15l cause it is lower powered and is slipperier than the prince XC

 

[LocNetMonster]

I am thinking about trying this setup but with Gamma iO soft 15l cause it is lower powered and is slipperier than the prince XC

Sounds cool. Let me know how it works out for you. I will have to give iO a try.

 

[TRU PRO Official]

After reading this post, we would like to mention our brand new Firewire BOOST. Some of you know that T1-Firewire offers one of the highest spin potential in the industry. We listened to our customers and just release Firewire BOOST which is a hybrid poly/poly set. We recommend T1-Firewire in the mains and our new round poly (Neos-2) in the crosses. Having a round poly in the crosses a) improves the durability of the setup and b) gives Firewire the ability to snap back to its original position more easily thus resulting in even greater spin potential. We believe this is an ideal setup for players who are a) used to playing with a poly setup b) are looking for a setup with more spin potential and c) would rate oneself 3.0-5.0 NTRP.

 

[njhmusicman]

Sounds cool. Let me know how it works out for you. I will have to give iO a try.

One more quick question. When the playability died in your setup, was the thick round string notched at all? If not, could you just change the mains?

 

[fjcamry]

One more quick question. When the playability died in your setup, was the thick round string notched at all? If not, could you just change the mains?

I don't think so because the crosses would have the starter knot around the main.


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[njhmusicman]

I don't think so because the crosses would have the starter knot around the main.]

Ok

 

[njhmusicman]

I don't think so because the crosses would have the starter knot around the main.


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Ok

 

[LocNetMonster]

One more quick question. When the playability died in your setup, was the thick round string notched at all? If not, could you just change the mains?

No notching. So I guess you could change just the mains as along as a cross string wasn't tied to it. That would save you money, but it may not make your level of play any better or consistent.

 

[njhmusicman]

No notching. So I guess you could change just the mains as along as a cross string wasn't tied to it. That would save you money, but it may not make your level of play any better or consistent.

Well, saving money is a key for me right now

 

[seekay]

Well, saving money is a key for me right now

You can't change just the mains, due to the way that racquets are supported in stringing machines. It's possible to replace just the crosses, but not many stringers will do that for paying customers since it won't be consistent with fresh strings and could reflect badly on the stringer.