Hybrid Stringing Newb

Cullin Kin

Rookie
Hellurr!

New to the forum and to hybrid setups. Started stringing my own racquets back in high school and now play 5.0 club tennis at college.

My usual setup is Babolat Pro Hurricane 16g at 64lbs in a Wilson PS97.

Recently gained a big deal tennis mentor and he pointed out about the beauty of hybrid string setups and I am intrigued. I picked up some Wilson Natural Gut 16g and got a recommendation to string at 52lbs in the mains with the Babolat PH in the crosses. I really appreciate the person that has been helping me with this setup and do not want to bother him with too many questions. Don't want to overimpose my welcome.

Thus I am here. I like my racquets strung tight for the control, but I know Natty gut is different. Will this setup still provide some control?

What are the recommended stringing tensions of natural gut?

What differences can I expect to feel while playing in contrast to a full Babolat PH string setup?

I also picked up some Boris Becker - Bomber Co-Poly... Has anyone used this string before? In a hybrid setup? The 2 reviews on TW praised it highly for how cheap it was so I thought I would pick some up.

Thanks for any info. Thanks for providing this great forum. I can't wait to spend some time on here and learn more about my favorite sport.

Cullin Kin
 

Anton

Legend
What Racket? lock out stringer?

Without having seen much, right off the bat I can tell you that going from 64lbs stiff poly to 52lbs ngut will feel SUPER loose and out of control unless you change how you play drastically. I would definitely recommend you starting at no lower than 60 on the mains for non 18x20 stringbed.

Most polys will do ok in the crosses, Bomber should be just fine to start at 58lbs ( assuming 60lb NGUT)
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
What Racket? lock out stringer?

Without having seen much, right off the bat I can tell you that going from 64lbs stiff poly to 52lbs ngut will feel SUPER loose and out of control unless you change how you play drastically. I would definitely recommend you starting at no lower than 60 on the mains for non 18x20 stringbed.

Most polys will do ok in the crosses, Bomber should be just fine to start at 58lbs ( assuming 60lb NGUT)
Thanks for the reply! Racquet was mentioned above, the Wilson PS97. The stringer is the ATS Super Stringer II, and older drop weight stringer.

Okay, cool. So we're looking at the gut in the mains at 60lbs and the poly in the crosses at 58lbs?
 

Anton

Legend
Thanks for the reply! Racquet was mentioned above, the Wilson PS97. The stringer is the ATS Super Stringer II, and older drop weight stringer.

Okay, cool. So we're looking at the gut in the mains at 60lbs and the poly in the crosses at 58lbs?
Yes, thats a reasonable starting point.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
If you are stringing NG for the first time, make sure the clamps are adjusted and cleaned before starting. Also clean your gripper. NG is easily damaged if your clamps slip. And even though you are using only a 1/2 set, it still cost $$$. 2 cents.
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
Yes, thats a reasonable starting point.
Awesome, thank you for your help.

If you are stringing NG for the first time, make sure the clamps are adjusted and cleaned before starting. Also clean your gripper. NG is easily damaged if your clamps slip. And even though you are using only a 1/2 set, it still cost $$$. 2 cents.
Thank you. Could you detail this a little more for me? How should I adjust the clamps? Make them less tight? For the gripper, should I just use some water?

Thanks for any info. :) I certainly don't want to screw up my $50 strings...
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
Also, since I will be using half of the natty gut and won't string my second racquet the same until I know I like it... How should I store the natty gut? Is it okay being exposed to air? Or should I throw the remaining 20' into a ziplock bag?
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
I assume you are using the old diamond dust flying clamps. Open the spacing up and wipe down the inside surface with a paper towel or old shoe lace soaked in rubbing alcohol. This will remove residue from prior string jobs. Do the same to the gripper area where the string will be placed. Let dry or use a dry paper towel. Before stringing, use part of the NG to adjust how tight you are clamping the string. Tighten or loosen the flying clamps so that the strings hold and you minimize white marks on the string. I have never been able to avoid some ghosting, but that is better than having the string slip thru the flying clamps.

Store your other 1/2 set in a zip lock bag in a cool dark place not subject to temperature extremes.

Have fun with the NG. I break strings within 12-16 hours, so NG is not a good fit for me $$ wise. One last note - Pro Hurricane is not the longest tension maintaining poly out there. RF uses something like this, but he can afford it. You may want to use a thinner poly that holds tension. Get some opinions.
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
I assume you are using the old diamond dust flying clamps. Open the spacing up and wipe down the inside surface with a paper towel or old shoe lace soaked in rubbing alcohol. This will remove residue from prior string jobs. Do the same to the gripper area where the string will be placed. Let dry or use a dry paper towel. Before stringing, use part of the NG to adjust how tight you are clamping the string. Tighten or loosen the flying clamps so that the strings hold and you minimize white marks on the string. I have never been able to avoid some ghosting, but that is better than having the string slip thru the flying clamps.

Store your other 1/2 set in a zip lock bag in a cool dark place not subject to temperature extremes.

Have fun with the NG. I break strings within 12-16 hours, so NG is not a good fit for me $$ wise. One last note - Pro Hurricane is not the longest tension maintaining poly out there. RF uses something like this, but he can afford it. You may want to use a thinner poly that holds tension. Get some opinions.
Thank you for all of your help. I really appreciate it!!!

Here are the clamps I'm using, as well as the roller that secures the string (I removed the screw). It looks like there is some metal sandpaper in there? Never took the time to actually look in there. Is that safe on gut?







I actually got a great deal on the gut... $10 :) One time thing though, Amazon Giftcard for signing up for prime lol. I'm a college student so there is no way I will ever be able to regularly afford gut. Probably will keep it as a treat for here and there.

As for the poly, that's why I picked up some of the Boris Becker Bomber stuff... If I like it, in bulk it's only $6.02 per roll. :)

While we're here, what is the dif between poly, co-poly, synthetic gut, and multifilament? It's okay if you don't want to answer, I'd be happy to read about it. Sometimes it's nice to get a direct response though.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
That grit is 'diamond dust.' Just make sure the surface is not greasy or slippery. Rubbing alcohol will remove any greasy buildup.

Go to the Learning Center section of TW. Select the String database and generate a report on all poly strings with columns String Name, Tension 51# (uncheck box), medium speed swing (uncheck box), total tension loss, sort by total tension loss. See which poly string has the best tension maintenance. Select 61# as tension and regenerate report.

Cost and playability should be the factors to consider when selecting strings. By 6$ per roll, you mean per string job or per 40', correct? $6 for a 330 or 660' reel of poly is really outrageously cheap. You should look in the Strings Section for other people's opinion of the value they receive from various strings.

Poly - polyester string normally monofilament normally 1st gen
Co-poly - polyester string with additives to improve playability or softness, whatever normally 2nd or 3rd gen
SG - Nylon normally monofilament with various coatings
multi - Nylon made of twisted, bonded smaller strands of Nylon
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
That grit is 'diamond dust.' Just make sure the surface is not greasy or slippery. Rubbing alcohol will remove any greasy buildup.

Go to the Learning Center section of TW. Select the String database and generate a report on all poly strings with columns String Name, Tension 51# (uncheck box), medium speed swing (uncheck box), total tension loss, sort by total tension loss. See which poly string has the best tension maintenance. Select 61# as tension and regenerate report.

Cost and playability should be the factors to consider when selecting strings. By 6$ per roll, you mean per string job or per 40', correct? $6 for a 330 or 660' reel of poly is really outrageously cheap. You should look in the Strings Section for other people's opinion of the value they receive from various strings.

Poly - polyester string normally monofilament normally 1st gen
Co-poly - polyester string with additives to improve playability or softness, whatever normally 2nd or 3rd gen
SG - Nylon normally monofilament with various coatings
multi - Nylon made of twisted, bonded smaller strands of Nylon
Wow! What a cool feature. I had no idea this site had that... Now I see why everyone uses Luxilon 4G 16L. Loads better than the rest in that aspect.

Yeah, by roll I meant 40' lol. Thanks again for all of your help, I really do appreciate it!
 

Wes

Professional
Cullin,

First, welcome to the site as well as the stringing forum.

Yes, seal up your extra gut in something airtight. Preferably something dark and dry. Humidity and unnecessary light are NOT good friends of natural gut.

Also, you may very well want to consider getting 3 sets of mains (rather than just 2) out of your $50 set of natural gut.

Take a close look at the following thread:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...-natural-gut-on-the-center-mains-only.539673/

Your racquet shouldn't be very hard to accomplish this since it's a 16x19 with mains that end at the throat.
You'd only string the center 12 mains with the NG instead of all 16. You'd then tie-off your mains at 6T, rather than using 8T.

NOTE: you will need to employ the "Yonex Loop" on both sides (string sequence will be: 1,2,3,4,6, and THEN 5th mains) in order for you to tie-off at 6T.
Unfortunately, you only have flying clamps - which makes doing the Yonex Loop harder to execute nearly as effectively as fixed clamps would (because of the wide span/gap between the strings at the point where you'd be clamping the 6th main to the 4th main, just prior to doing the 5th/final main.

The remaining 7th & 8th mains AND all of your crosses will be done with just one length of poly (which will need to be slightly longer [approximately 4 feet longer to account for the 4 additional mains] than the length you would normally use for only the crosses)
If you plan it out correctly, you will be able to tie-off your poly at the 5H & 8T locations.

However, if you opt to try this out, I highly suggest you do it with Syn. Gut FIRST, to familiarize yourself, before attempting it with the $$$ natural gut (primarily because of the flying clamp issue mentioned above).
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
If one is going to try to get three sets out of the gut strings you must also consider the PH cross strings. A set of PH will be enough to do one racket with a lot left over to throw in the trash. You may want to consider buying a long set like TNT2 which also comes in 46' lengths. You could also buy ~70' of PH from someone that has a reel. I believe there is a thread for buying / trading strings in the For Sale or Trade section.
 

seekay

Semi-Pro
Wow! What a cool feature. I had no idea this site had that... Now I see why everyone uses Luxilon 4G 16L. Loads better than the rest in that aspect.
Check out The Gut Poly Thread for lots of recommendations on good crosses for your hybrid. I don't particularly like Pro Hurricane's high-friction surface; it'll impede your spin generation and notch the gut faster. You can do better with newer, slicker strings.
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
Cullin,

First, welcome to the site as well as the stringing forum.

Yes, seal up your extra gut in something airtight. Preferably something dark and dry. Humidity and unnecessary light are NOT good friends of natural gut.

Also, you may very well want to consider getting 3 sets of mains (rather than just 2) out of your $50 set of natural gut.

Take a close look at the following thread:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...-natural-gut-on-the-center-mains-only.539673/

Your racquet shouldn't be very hard to accomplish this since it's a 16x19 with mains that end at the throat.
You'd only string the center 12 mains with the NG instead of all 16. You'd then tie-off your mains at 6T, rather than using 8T.

NOTE: you will need to employ the "Yonex Loop" on both sides (string sequence will be: 1,2,3,4,6, and THEN 5th mains) in order for you to tie-off at 6T.
Unfortunately, you only have flying clamps - which makes doing the Yonex Loop harder to execute nearly as effectively as fixed clamps would (because of the wide span/gap between the strings at the point where you'd be clamping the 6th main to the 4th main, just prior to doing the 5th/final main.

The remaining 7th & 8th mains AND all of your crosses will be done with just one length of poly (which will need to be slightly longer [approximately 4 feet longer to account for the 4 additional mains] than the length you would normally use for only the crosses)
If you plan it out correctly, you will be able to tie-off your poly at the 5H & 8T locations.

However, if you opt to try this out, I highly suggest you do it with Syn. Gut FIRST, to familiarize yourself, before attempting it with the $$$ natural gut (primarily because of the flying clamp issue mentioned above).
Thanks for the welcome and good advice. That will definitely stretch the money out a bit more. I wan't to see if I even like it first, so I think I'll do two stringings and if I like it, I will start practicing this.

I haven't heard of the Yonex loop, but will check it out asap.

I just picked up two Wilson Steam 99LS's today because I love the spin they help me generate. Will this technique still work with a 16X15 pattern?

If one is going to try to get three sets out of the gut strings you must also consider the PH cross strings. A set of PH will be enough to do one racket with a lot left over to throw in the trash. You may want to consider buying a long set like TNT2 which also comes in 46' lengths. You could also buy ~70' of PH from someone that has a reel. I believe there is a thread for buying / trading strings in the For Sale or Trade section.
Good point, thanks!

Check out The Gut Poly Thread for lots of recommendations on good crosses for your hybrid. I don't particularly like Pro Hurricane's high-friction surface; it'll impede your spin generation and notch the gut faster. You can do better with newer, slicker strings.
Will do. I certainly don't want the crosses to be overly abrasive on the gut. Thank you!
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
So I'm looking around and I found Luxilon Adrenaline 16 and Luxilon Adrenaline 16L Rough. Would these be good poly's to use as crosses? Any downside to using the 'rough' version in crosses? I love spin and need control but it seems the goal is to allow the gut to slide along the poly to hold the ball for longer, thus requiring as slick as possible of a poly. Would rough string inhibit this process?

What slick poly's do you all prefer? Tell me one and I will buy it.

Wow... This hybrid stringing is no joke. SO MUCH TO LEARN OMG!!!!
 

seekay

Semi-Pro
Here is my ridiculous cart so far... All over the place. Please help me refine it a bit?

What do you mean "refine?" You've almost got free shipping!

Joking aside, I'd pick one of:

Wilson Revolve
Genesis Black Magic
Head Hawk
Yonex Poly Tour Pro
Solinco Outlast

There are plenty others, but it's really hard to go wrong with those. Along with a decent set of natural gut, that's all you'll need for a while. Believe me, there will be plenty of time for more orders and experimentation after you've played with your first hybrid. And if you string it well, a gut/poly hybrid should last quite a while.
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
What do you mean "refine?" You've almost got free shipping!

Joking aside, I'd pick one of:

Wilson Revolve
Genesis Black Magic
Head Hawk
Yonex Poly Tour Pro
Solinco Outlast

There are plenty others, but it's really hard to go wrong with those. Along with a decent set of natural gut, that's all you'll need for a while. Believe me, there will be plenty of time for more orders and experimentation after you've played with your first hybrid. And if you string it well, a gut/poly hybrid should last quite a while.
Ha ha very true! Thank you for the definitive suggestions!

I put some Wilson Revolve in my cart. :) The problem is, the only poly's I have right now are the Babolat PH and Boris Becker Bomber. I know you said the PH is abrasive on gut, so would the bomber work well for the mean time? I've got a brand new unstrung 99LS that is just staring me down waiting to be strung lol.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
...I haven't heard of the Yonex loop, but will check it out asap...
The Yonex loop works well but it does have its problems. Your main tie off for the 99LS is 6T, but you can't very well tie off a main onto itself (possible but not easy.) So you skip the 5th main after tensioning the 4th and run in the 6th main. After running the 5 main tie off at 6T. LOL Easier said than done. There is a big groove in the grommet that directs the string normally running from 4T to 5T directly to the center of 5T. So the string going from 4T to 6T will block 5T. Using a very soft string like natural gut (which is also a multi) it will be difficult to get the 5th main out of 5T. You should know how you going to get that string out before you do it. A pathfinder awl works great for that. Insert the awl from outside to inside in 5T before tensioning the 6th main then put the 5th main in the awl and pull it through.

If you don't have a pathfinder awl use something to hold the loop from 4T to 6T away from the frame to create space for the 5th main to pass freely. You could use a small common screw driver for that just make sure there are no sharp edges.
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
The Yonex loop works well but it does have its problems. Your main tie off for the 99LS is 6T, but you can't very well tie off a main onto itself (possible but not easy.) So you skip the 5th main after tensioning the 4th and run in the 6th main. After running the 5 main tie off at 6T. LOL Easier said than done. There is a big groove in the grommet that directs the string normally running from 4T to 5T directly to the center of 5T. So the string going from 4T to 6T will block 5T. Using a very soft string like natural gut (which is also a multi) it will be difficult to get the 5th main out of 5T. You should know how you going to get that string out before you do it. A pathfinder awl works great for that. Insert the awl from outside to inside in 5T before tensioning the 6th main then put the 5th main in the awl and pull it through.

If you don't have a pathfinder awl use something to hold the loop from 4T to 6T away from the frame to create space for the 5th main to pass freely. You could use a small common screw driver for that just make sure there are no sharp edges.
Thanks for taking the time to explain! Sounds a bit complicated. I think I would need to see a picture or video of this being done. Is there one? Google didn't bring up much.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Thanks for taking the time to explain! Sounds a bit complicated. I think I would need to see a picture or video of this being done. Is there one? Google didn't bring up much.
No I don't think there is a video (yet.) If you want one I will make one.
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
No I don't think there is a video (yet.) If you want one I will make one.
You certainly don't have to but I'm sure it would be a good video for others as well. I know I would watch it. A million hits on YouTube! Seriously though, I would really appreciate it but understand if not. Getting 3 uses out of a roll of gut would be fantastic!
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
Is there a certain height I should set my diamond dust clamp at for gut?



Here's where I set it at:


Also, when using the DD clamp, how many times should I wrap the gut around before threading through the diamond dust?
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
I believe your stringer has a ratchet feature which means if the weight bar goes below horizontal, you can ratchet the bar up until it is horizontal. That means you should not preposition your weight bar. It is not necessary. As far as how many times you need to go around the 'DD clamp' (which is the string gripper BTW), you could go around zero or one time. If the string slips when you lower the weight bar, then wrap the string around the gripper, otw don't. It will put less stress on the gut. 2 cents.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Go around the rotational gripper one time then through the gripper. The pressure from the string going over the top portion of the rotational gripper grips the string.
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
So I just got done stringing it. It was much easier than I thought, psyched myself out I guess. The beginning was a PITA because it was so tedious finding the perfect clamping pressure where the gut wouldn't slip, yet the clamps wouldn't damage the gut. Needless to say, the gut sustained a little damage.

Ended up doing the gut at 57lbs and Bab PH crosses at 54lbs just as a median between the two suggestions I got. It feels a bit tight but the gut slides well on the PH. Did the PH because I had someone tell me the Bomber is no good... lol





I am so stoked to try this out!

Thank you so much to everyone that has helped me.

Does anyone else feel that Babolat PH is a PITA to string? No matter what I did, the drop weight and bar would not lay horizontal so I ended up just clamping it wherever the bar stopped which was always above 45 degrees. It just didn't stretch or something...
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
I believe your stringer has a ratchet feature which means if the weight bar goes below horizontal, you can ratchet the bar up until it is horizontal. That means you should not preposition your weight bar. It is not necessary. As far as how many times you need to go around the 'DD clamp' (which is the string gripper BTW), you could go around zero or one time. If the string slips when you lower the weight bar, then wrap the string around the gripper, otw don't. It will put less stress on the gut. 2 cents.
Awesome, thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, the ratchet doesn't seem to do anything when twisted. The manual for the stringer said to take the bar to 45 degrees then to drop it and if it dropped below 0 degrees to re wrap around the gripped and do it again until it did. It worked great with the gut, however, the Babolat PH was a totally different story. That stuff is so stiff I don't even know.

Go around the rotational gripper one time then through the gripper. The pressure from the string going over the top portion of the rotational gripper grips the string.
Thank you! So I originally had the gripper spring loaded part fully open but no matter what I did, the string would slip. So I had to set the adjustable spring loaded part to where it was just about the same width as the string and tightened the bolt way down so that the adjustable part wouldn't even move. This worked but I know it's not the way it's supposed to work.

As you said, the pressure from wrapping the string around, threading it through the DD, then dropping the weight should close down on the string and hold it but it didn't seem to want to do that. The gut was getting all scratched.

It's a cheap stringer so I don't really expect much but it definitely has its quarks... Might be time for a new stringer, but I don't have $1000 to drop. :/
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
The Yonex loop can be done with flying clamps and a starting pin. You can make a starting pin with a key ring and a length of string.

To help getting through blocked grommets, place a piece of scrap poly string on the 5th grommet at the throat before weaving and tensioning the 6th main. When pulling through that grommet, follow the poly with the gut (keep the gut tip sharp).
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
You should be able to close the gripper using just finger pressure. If you can't, you need to adjust something. Check you manual.

We forgot to tell you that you can also start your stringing with the bar down resting on the table. Wrap/thread the string thru and then ratchet the weight up. You can do this for all strings, but that leads to a lot of ratcheting since some strings stretch a lot. That's how you do it for poly since it does not stretch much at all. FWIW, I am assuming that you are wrapping clockwise once around, then placing the string into the gripper (based on your images.)
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
You should be able to close the gripper using just finger pressure. If you can't, you need to adjust something. Check you manual.

We forgot to tell you that you can also start your stringing with the bar down resting on the table. Wrap/thread the string thru and then ratchet the weight up. You can do this for all strings, but that leads to a lot of ratcheting since some strings stretch a lot. That's how you do it for poly since it does not stretch much at all. FWIW, I am assuming that you are wrapping clockwise once around, then placing the string into the gripper (based on your images.)
Yeah something is weird with my gripper. If I don't tighten that screw all the way down, the string will actually slip behind the red parts.

Ooh! That would make sense for the Bab PH. I will give it a try with my second new racquet tonight.
 

Wes

Professional
Cullin,

Check your profile.
Find where the "Conversations" section is.
I sent you a message (started a "conversation" as they now call it).

I'm not sure if you knew that a message/conversation had been sent - hence my mentioning it here, to ensure you're aware.

Try getting back to me (ideally before you do that other racquet tonight).
I have some valuable info for you.

Cheers, Wes
 
Cullin, you sound like a pretty serious tennis player, and judging by your comments, you would seem to converse well and love the sport. I would think seriously about upgrading your machine and start stringing for others. A $500 machine would pay for itself in less than 50 string jobs. Of course, when in college, every dollar counts. But, I think in the long term, you'll be better off. Check out Craig's list or something for a used Neos, Gamma or Alpha upright. You want something sturdy if you're stringing for others. Just a suggestion.
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
Cullin, you sound like a pretty serious tennis player, and judging by your comments, you would seem to converse well and love the sport. I would think seriously about upgrading your machine and start stringing for others. A $500 machine would pay for itself in less than 50 string jobs. Of course, when in college, every dollar counts. But, I think in the long term, you'll be better off. Check out Craig's list or something for a used Neos, Gamma or Alpha upright. You want something sturdy if you're stringing for others. Just a suggestion.
Steve, thanks for the reply and the kind words. :) I've always had a passion for tennis. I had to take a year off because I destroyed my shoulder being stupid. So I'm recently back in and am getting better but am not where I used to be yet. :/ We'll get there though.

I would love a new stringer and you are totally right. I have some money saved up and should probably just buy a new one. It would probably save a lot of the torture this stringer puts you through as well lol.

My mom is in a 3.5 USTA league and has plenty of friends I could string for. I used to string for her friends charging $20 but I know that's kind of low. However, they don't know much about string and as long as the strings allow them to hit flat and add power they're happy.

Anyways, thanks for the suggestion. Looking forward to seeing you around the forum.
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
Just got done stringing my second new 99LS racquet, le hybrid style. Thank you all for the awesome suggestions :) Dropping the weight before securing the string then using the ratchet to get it up to horizontal was phenomenal. It was much easier and I wasn't worried about the string snapping. I'd say this is probably the most accurate string job I've ever done.

Speaking of accuracy... How accurate are those string tension gauges?

Got through it with much less ghosting on the gut this time... For my second order of gut, I went with the Babolat Tonic+ 16. Saving $7 is cool despite even minor inconsistencies.

Lastly, the first hybrid I did used Babolat PH in the crosses and it was an absolute PITA to weave through the mains. It was very abrasive to the mains so I had to keep shifting it so it wouldn't notch the gut. I would advise against PH in a hybrid as someone stated above. So this time I used the Boris Becker Bomber I had and that stuff is slick! It was very easy to weave as the crosses. I'm very happy with it. So, unless Wilson Revolve outperforms the Bomber, it's a cheap and awesome slick poly. :)

Giggity.
 

0d1n

Hall of Fame
The Yonex loop works well but it does have its problems. Your main tie off for the 99LS is 6T, but you can't very well tie off a main onto itself (possible but not easy.) So you skip the 5th main after tensioning the 4th and run in the 6th main. After running the 5 main tie off at 6T. LOL Easier said than done. There is a big groove in the grommet that directs the string normally running from 4T to 5T directly to the center of 5T. So the string going from 4T to 6T will block 5T. Using a very soft string like natural gut (which is also a multi) it will be difficult to get the 5th main out of 5T. You should know how you going to get that string out before you do it. A pathfinder awl works great for that. Insert the awl from outside to inside in 5T before tensioning the 6th main then put the 5th main in the awl and pull it through.

If you don't have a pathfinder awl use something to hold the loop from 4T to 6T away from the frame to create space for the 5th main to pass freely. You could use a small common screw driver for that just make sure there are no sharp edges.
Very good post. I agree there are some issues with this. I actually did try this and did not have problems getting the string out of the way for the 5T hole, but had massive problems getting the gut into the hole @ 6T for the tie-off.
I tried it with 15G (and it was actually thicker than that) naturalgutwholesale gut.
If one strings "normally" in my vantage (16x19, mains ending @ the throat, and skipping 7 and 9 T and H), the 6T tieoff hole is not covered by the actual string coming through because the string comes from the top (head), it is clamped near the 6T grommet and then naturally goes "away" from the 6T hole towards the 7-8 th grommet hole. This leaves plenty of space for the string to go through the tie off hole and finish with a nice knot.
If however...I skip the 5T one, and tension main 6 first and 5 after that...the string comes from the throat towards the head on main 6, which means it goes "diagonally" through the tie-off (6T) hole. After that you tension main no. 5 and come back trying to tie-off. Guess what...the hole is pretty much blocked by the thick string.
One has to plan ahead and put some sort of tubing in the grommet before tensioning main no 6, if one wants to avoid frustration when tying off.
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
OP... I thought the you were stringing a PS97 (16x19). Your photos are of a Steam 99LS (16x15). This could get expensive.
 

Anton

Legend
OP... I thought the you were stringing a PS97 (16x19). Your photos are of a Steam 99LS (16x15). This could get expensive.
Umm yea Steam LS is bit different from PS97 and I would recommend going with thickest gauge you can find.

I actually have 99LS 3/4 laying around in my closet with 4Gs strings (and a lot of lead) that I should probably sell. 4Gs works well in it.
 

Cullin Kin

Rookie
Thanks for the welcome and good advice. That will definitely stretch the money out a bit more. I wan't to see if I even like it first, so I think I'll do two stringings and if I like it, I will start practicing this.

I haven't heard of the Yonex loop, but will check it out asap.

I just picked up two Wilson Steam 99LS's today because I love the spin they help me generate. Will this technique still work with a 16X15 pattern?


Will do. I certainly don't want the crosses to be overly abrasive on the gut. Thank you!
OP... I thought the you were stringing a PS97 (16x19). Your photos are of a Steam 99LS (16x15). This could get expensive.
Yeah if you read above, I picked up two of the 99LS's about halfway through the thread. This wasn't really about which racquet but more about the string and the qualities that hybrid string setups provide. The yonex loop came in when someone suggested that as a way to possibly split the natty gut into 3 string jobs. Then I guess this thread turned into a stringing thread which is good because my stringer was having issues (really, I was having issues with my stringer lol).

So advice for either racquet is not wasted as both are used depending on the day and situation. :)

Umm yea Steam LS is bit different from PS97 and I would recommend going with thickest gauge you can find.

I actually have 99LS 3/4 laying around in my closet with 4Gs strings (and a lot of lead) that I should probably sell. 4Gs works well in it.
 
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