Hybriding X1 Biphase to cut cost

clutch21

Rookie
Settled in on full bed of x-one biphase in my RF97 after tinkering with several polys. The only problem I have with this set up is the cost, as I'm only getting about 5-6 sets per string job. Durability isn't a huge concern since I string myself.

I'm going to try some string savers to increase durability, but I wonder if it might also be a good idea to try putting a cheaper syn/multi in the crosses. Looking for some suggestions on a cheap multi or syn gut cross string that might pair well with the biphase (i.e. minimal change in the way the biphase plays). Thanks ahead of time!
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
Are the mains are notching, then breaking? Or is the entire string bed fraying? If only the mains, then a good SG cross is Bab Spiraltec or POSG. If it is the center of the stringbed that is fraying, I would try a pack of string savers in an 8x8 or 8x10 pattern. 2 cents.

I assume that you are aware of Mikeler's Multi thread. Hasn't been updated for a while, but there are more durable multi mentioned in there.
 

clutch21

Rookie
Are the mains are notching, then breaking? Or is the entire string bed fraying? If only the mains, then a good SG cross is Bab Spiraltec or POSG. If it is the center of the stringbed that is fraying, I would try a pack of string savers in an 8x8 or 8x10 pattern. 2 cents.

I assume that you are aware of Mikeler's Multi thread. Hasn't been updated for a while, but there are more durable multi mentioned in there.
Appreciate the reply. The entire sweet spot frays until finally something snaps, usually the cross. I'm not so much looking for a durable multi per se. I'm more looking for a cheap soft string that won't change the way biphase plays. I don't mind having to re string often. I just can't justify re stringing every 6 sets if the string costs $15 per set (biphase in bulk). I will scope out his thread on multis though. Thanks!
 

kiteboard

Banned
Settled in on full bed of x-one biphase in my RF97 after tinkering with several polys. The only problem I have with this set up is the cost, as I'm only getting about 5-6 sets per string job. Durability isn't a huge concern since I string myself.

I'm going to try some string savers to increase durability, but I wonder if it might also be a good idea to try putting a cheaper syn/multi in the crosses. Looking for some suggestions on a cheap multi or syn gut cross string that might pair well with the biphase (i.e. minimal change in the way the biphase plays). Thanks ahead of time!
Big ace micro crosses.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Are the mains are notching, then breaking? Or is the entire string bed fraying? If only the mains, then a good SG cross is Bab Spiraltec or POSG. If it is the center of the stringbed that is fraying, I would try a pack of string savers in an 8x8 or 8x10 pattern. 2 cents.

I assume that you are aware of Mikeler's Multi thread. Hasn't been updated for a while, but there are more durable multi mentioned in there.
When I do a full bed of X1 my crosses fray and break.
 

clutch21

Rookie
Big ace micro crosses.
Hmm looks like an interesting string. Wouldn't a 19g poly chew right through the biphase mains in a matter of minutes though? Also, for $8 a pack, I'd probably be best off sticking to a full bed of biphase since it doesn't help out much cost wise.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Great suggestion. I remember trying a full bed of that years back and enjoying it.
Try it again full bed or hybrid it w/X1 if you want. I'm not sure if you're using X1 in 17 gauge or not but a thicker gauge will help longevity a lot without reducing playability too much. Another string that is not bad is Forten nylon. That stuff is almost free at $16/720' reel and your crosses won't break any more with Forten in the crosses and X1 mains.
 

clutch21

Rookie
Try it again full bed or hybrid it w/X1 if you want. I'm not sure if you're using X1 in 17 gauge or not but a thicker gauge will help longevity a lot without reducing playability too much. Another string that is not bad is Forten nylon. That stuff is almost free at $16/720' reel and your crosses won't break any more with Forten in the crosses and X1 mains.
Yeah I think first I'll try a full bed again with some string savers. I also just ordered some 16 gauge of the X-one in hopes of bumping up the durability a bit as well. If that fails then I'll try a cross. I actually have two reels of forten sweet sitting around so that'll be the first hybrid job I try!

One more question Irvin. Would you recommend pre-stretching the X-one? I know there is some controversy surrounding this but I want to try to avoid that drop in tension from x-1 after the first few hours. Thanks!
 

Muppet

Legend
Add Alpha Gut 2000 17g to your shopping cart to go with X-1 16g mains. It's only $5.90/set and has a feel that's very similar to X-1. It has a pearlized coating that will help the X-1 deflect easily for better spin and durability. Although it's not rated as being very durable by itself.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
One more question Irvin. Would you recommend pre-stretching the X-one? I know there is some controversy surrounding this but I want to try to avoid that drop in tension from x-1 after the first few hours. Thanks!
Primarily I only manually pre stretch to reduce memory, if you're talking about a machine prestretch that would have a greater effect on reducing the tension drop but then it also makes the string bed tighter after stringing. Then again machine pre stretching is not all the same.
 

clutch21

Rookie
Primarily I only manually pre stretch to reduce memory, if you're talking about a machine prestretch that would have a greater effect on reducing the tension drop but then it also makes the string bed tighter after stringing. Then again machine pre stretching is not all the same.
I'm working with a wise so I primarily meant using the pre-stretch function on it. I just strung a stick at 60 lbs using the 10% pre-stretch so I'll see if it makes a difference.

I had a feeling you were playing a thinner string.
I haven't used the 16g X-1 in awhile but I seem to recall the durability being pretty similar to the 17g. The outside coating is what holds the filaments together and once that goes, the string is on borrowed time. I'm not sure if that coat is any thicker in the 16g. I got decent life out of the 17g x-1 in my PS85 but the RF97 is a string murderer. Sort of a bummer that I couldn't take a liking to any poly in it.
 

frank52

Semi-Pro
Appreciate the reply. The entire sweet spot frays until finally something snaps, usually the cross. I'm not so much looking for a durable multi per se. I'm more looking for a cheap soft string that won't change the way biphase plays. I don't mind having to re string often. I just can't justify re stringing every 6 sets if the string costs $15 per set (biphase in bulk). I will scope out his thread on multis though. Thanks!
I suggest Ashaway Monogut ZX. The ZX has a dent-resistant outer surface upon which the slightly sticky X-One BiPhase mains can slide. Should last longer than using Biphase in both mains and crosses. The ZX absorbs some shock and does not go dead like poly. A very good choice for a cross string. I usually string the ZX crosses 3-4 pounds less than the mains. But that's my preference.

Gosen syn gut is another option. I would not use a multi in the crosses. A syn gut will work better for less money.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm working with a wise so I primarily meant using the pre-stretch function on it. I just strung a stick at 60 lbs using the 10% pre-stretch so I'll see if it makes a difference.
The Wise works like overshoot, it pulls to an set tension plus pre set then drops to your set tension. You going to get some extra stretch on the string because it was pulled harder. Your string is still going to relax in the racket but because the Wise allowed it to pre relax while stringing it will not relax as much. If that makes sense.
 
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