Hypothetical: Federer vs Djokovic AO '19 final

Four-ever

Rookie
Assuming both players are fresh and ready to battle after the off-season, this would be quite interesting:

-First final ever in Australia
-Tiebreaker between two 6 time champions for all-time record
-2 time defending champion looking to equal the other on 3 consecutive wins
-Double career plate vs single career plate
-Federer equals Lendl on 11 losses (all-time record) vs Djokovic equals Federer on 10 losses
-Oldest slam champion vs 3rd time winning 3 consecutive slams & shot at 2nd NCYGS
-First win over Djokovic at a slam in 6 1/2 years vs 10th win over Federer at a slam

Let me know what else this encounter has to offer.
 

True Fanerer

G.O.A.T.
In the event that Federer wins, Djokovics's chances at surpassing him are damaged severely with the FO following it. Nadal is the man there until proven otherwise. 21-18-14 with Wimbledon looming and an aging Djokovic trying to defend a UO after chasing Fedal all year.
 

CYGS

Legend
Assuming both players are fresh and ready to battle after the off-season, this would be quite interesting:

-First final ever in Australia
-Tiebreaker between two 6 time champions for all-time record
-2 time defending champion looking to equal the other on 3 consecutive wins
-Double career plate vs single career plate
-Federer equals Lendl on 11 losses (all-time record) vs Djokovic equals Federer on 10 losses
-Oldest slam champion vs 3rd time winning 3 consecutive slams & shot at 2nd NCYGS
-First win over Djokovic at a slam in 6 1/2 years vs 10th win over Federer at a slam

Let me know what else this encounter has to offer.
Fed's not making finals. He will lose to either Djokovic or Nadal in the semi.
 
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TennisFan97068

Guest
Very likely final unless they are rigged to be in the same half again
Djokovic will win in 3 or most probably 4 sets.
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
I would have loved to see W’17 Fed vs W’18 Djoko...what a match that would have been. It’s 50/50 IMO.
 

timnz

Legend
Isn't that Djoker already ?
Its currently Federer. The 6 all cancels each other out, but Federer’s other performances there are a large gap ahead of Djokovic. Federer’s next best 8 performances at the AO are a runner-up and 7 semi-final placings. Djokovic’s next best 8 performances are 3 quarter finals, 2 4th rounds, a second round and 2 first rounds
 
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oldmanfan

Legend
Federer can't hold his serve anymore against mug returners. Will be broken at least once pr set by the Master of Returns.

Djokovic will probably win two, maybe three more AOs.
You're optimistic.
Is it possible? Sure.
Probable? I don't think so. At least not yet.
Djokovic is unproven at the new AO surface introduced since 2017. I understand that he wasn't 'there' or 'injured', but still... unproven.

AO is actually Fed's most consistent slam, even though he won more WBs. Yes, Djokovic is in better form atm, but AO19 is a ways away. IMO they are neck and neck for AO19 all things considered, with Djokovic having the age advantage.
We'll know very soon. ;)
 

Xavier G

Hall of Fame
Djokovic would be the rightful favourite in all Slam matches vs Roger now.
Fed hasn't won a best of five sets match vs Novak in a long while.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
You're optimistic.
Is it possible? Sure.
Probable? I don't think so. At least not yet.
Djokovic is unproven at the new AO surface introduced since 2017. I understand that he wasn't 'there' or 'injured', but still... unproven.

AO is actually Fed's most consistent slam, even though he won more WBs. Yes, Djokovic is in better form atm, but AO19 is a ways away. IMO they are neck and neck for AO19 all things considered, with Djokovic having the age advantage.
We'll know very soon. ;)
The way Federer has looked this year, gives me very little hope of him reaching Djokovic at AO.

Losing to Coric, Kokinakkis, Millman on HC - no chance against Djokovic in Cinci... Losing to Anderson and Coric on grass...

I think age finally got to Federer. He struggles holding serve and his neo backhand return that solved Nadal, is gone with the wind.
I sensed a fighting spirit in Basel, though. Hopefully, he cares more now. Looked indifferent & helpless in losses mentioned.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Federer has declined alot since 2017 AO, its extremely doubtful he will reach another AO final, and if he manages to get the luck of the draw and somehow grind through, theres no way he is beating a 31 year old Djokovic anymore, specialy in a 5 set match, not gonna happen.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
You're optimistic.
Is it possible? Sure.
Probable? I don't think so. At least not yet.
Djokovic is unproven at the new AO surface introduced since 2017. I understand that he wasn't 'there' or 'injured', but still... unproven.

AO is actually Fed's most consistent slam, even though he won more WBs. Yes, Djokovic is in better form atm, but AO19 is a ways away. IMO they are neck and neck for AO19 all things considered, with Djokovic having the age advantage.
We'll know very soon. ;)
The AO did not get fast overnight and Nadal complained about it being too fast even back in 2014. By 2015, multiple players were complaining that the outer courts were fast and the show courts were slower making the tournament speed not consistent overall, and made it difficult for them to adjust. 2016 was ultra quick overall, even on the show courts, and Djokovic easily defeated Federer. So you can say 2017 was a bit quicker but not drastically so and Djokovic is anything but unproven at AO.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
The way Federer has looked this year, gives me very little hope of him reaching Djokovic at AO.

Losing to Coric, Kokinakkis, Millman on HC - no chance against Djokovic in Cinci... Losing to Anderson and Coric on grass...

I think age finally got to Federer. He struggles holding serve and his neo backhand return that solved Nadal, is gone with the wind.
I sensed a fighting spirit in Basel, though. Hopefully, he cares more now. Looked indifferent & helpless in losses mentioned.
Would be good to see another Fedal match, which is possible if theyre on the same side of the draw.
Both not in great shape as we speak, but Nadals is with injury, which should be fine by January. Fed has major form issues which I don't think will be fixed against a decent field.

Either way, Fed loses against Djokodal.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Its currently Federer. The 6 all cancels each other out, but Federer’s other performances there are by a large gap ahead of Djokovic. Federer’s next best 8 performances at the AO are a runner-up and 7 semi-final placings. Djokovic’s next best 8 performances are 3 quarter finals, 2 4th rounds, a second round and 2 first rounds
That's what I was thinking. I couldn't understand why people started off this thread saying Djokovic is already the best at AO.
I guess half of these people never watched tennis before 2011.
 
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TennisFan97068

Guest
Either way, Fed loses against Djokodal.
LOL.Nice try trying to group Djokovic and Nadal together.
Djokovic and Nadal at AO are not the same.
Federer will have million times better chances against Nadal than against Djokovic.

Now that Nadal's master is back on top he is back to avoiding tournaments as much as possible citing bogus injuries.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Isn't that Djoker already ?
I think they are more le less tied, in the sense that you can find arguments pro-Fedefer (1 more final) and arguments pro-Djokovic (leads the H2H 3-1 over Federer). One of them needs to surpass the 6, to be the absolute king of the AO. Given the age difference, Djokovic is more likely to end up as the AO king.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Its currently Federer. The 6 all cancels each other out, but Federer’s other performances there are by a large gap ahead of Djokovic. Federer’s next best 8 performances at the AO are a runner-up and 7 semi-final placings. Djokovic’s next best 8 performances are 3 quarter finals, 2 4th rounds, a second round and 2 first rounds
I thught Federer'z entire resume is padded with opponents who were mugs like Safin, Sampras, Agassi, Baghdatis etc, at least that is what the experts here tell me.
 

oldmanfan

Legend
The AO did not get fast overnight and Nadal complained about it being too fast even back in 2014. By 2015, multiple players were complaining that the outer courts were fast and the show courts were slower making the tournament speed not consistent overall, and made it difficult for them to adjust. 2016 was ultra quick overall, even on the show courts, and Djokovic easily defeated Federer. So you can say 2017 was a bit quicker but not drastically so and Djokovic is anything but unproven at AO.
Read my post again. I said AO surface of 2017-present. What were Djokovic's results in 2017? And 2018? Yes, it could've been lack-of-motivation/injury, but still, unproven.
I said it as tongue-in-cheek, but it's also true. ;)
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Read my post again. I said AO surface of 2017-present. What were Djokovic's results in 2017? And 2018? Yes, it could've been lack-of-motivation/injury, but still, unproven.
I said it as tongue-in-cheek, but it's also true. ;)
What was Djokovic's form like in 2017 and 2018? The increase in speed of the court is irrelevant, especially considering it was being sped up for years before 2017. A 6 time champion who has already won on a quick AO court is anything but unproven.
 

oldmanfan

Legend
The way Federer has looked this year, gives me very little hope of him reaching Djokovic at AO.

Losing to Coric, Kokinakkis, Millman on HC - no chance against Djokovic in Cinci... Losing to Anderson and Coric on grass...

I think age finally got to Federer. He struggles holding serve and his neo backhand return that solved Nadal, is gone with the wind.
I sensed a fighting spirit in Basel, though. Hopefully, he cares more now. Looked indifferent & helpless in losses mentioned.
I see your points.

I'm simply a bit more optimistic from what I saw of Fed2018 (even the last few months) and trust my gut in regards to tennis. In 2014, I thought Bouchard was top40-top60 level, even when she had that crazy 2014, making top10, and then all that hype. She shouldn't be outside top100 like now, but she's definitely not top10 level without massive improvements.

OTOH, Fed is just crazy good at tennis (surprise! :D ). Even when he plays crap, he still keeps matches close (see Cincy18 vs. Djokovic), or wins them (of course there are losses too). He has been bad the last few months, but not to the point where I'd write him off yet. He said he hurt his hands during grass. Some saw that as an excuse, but I see that as an explanation.

2019 will tell us better. One thing I WILL say is, if he ends 2019 outside top8, THEN I'll have to admit that he'd truly declined.
 

oldmanfan

Legend
What was Djokovic's form like in 2017 and 2018? The increase in speed of the court is irrelevant, especially considering it was being sped up for years before 2017. A 6 time champion who has already won on a quick AO court is anything but unproven.
Play along. There's a reason I mentioned 2017-present. You fell for it. ;)

Of course Djokovic is a crazy good AO champ (overall). 6 titles prove it. But until he wins with this new surface, he simply hasn't.

Want a different example? Look at Federer at USO. He went from 5-in-a-row, to nada. Made only 2 finals in the next 10 years. So until Fed wins another USO, he's unproven at USO's new 'conditions'.
Simples! ;)
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
I see your points.

I'm simply a bit more optimistic from what I saw of Fed2018 (even the last few months) and trust my gut in regards to tennis. In 2014, I thought Bouchard was top40-top60 level, even when she had that crazy 2014, making top10, and then all that hype. She shouldn't be outside top100 like now, but she's definitely not top10 level without massive improvements.

OTOH, Fed is just crazy good at tennis (surprise! :D ). Even when he plays crap, he still keeps matches close (see Cincy18 vs. Djokovic), or wins them (of course there are losses too). He has been bad the last few months, but not to the point where I'd write him off yet. He said he hurt his hands during grass. Some saw that as an excuse, but I see that as an explanation.

2019 will tell us better. One thing I WILL say is, if he ends 2019 outside top8, THEN I'll have to admit that he'd truly declined.
I absolutely believe Federer can win big tournaments, if he catches fire and it clicks like first half of 2017. Feels like it's more down to how he feels, how he sees the ball.
I don't see that determination and intent in every stroke, as we saw back then. It's almost two years ago, and thats's a lot for an old geezer ;)

Federer will be crazy good at tennis when he is 60, too. But there's no doubt playing slams at 37 is heavy metal for the body. I don't like how he loses sets to nobodies. And I think it's an implied pressure involved; he knows he can't afford to lose sets to players he should cruise through.
 

ak24alive

Legend
What was Djokovic's form like in 2017 and 2018? The increase in speed of the court is irrelevant, especially considering it was being sped up for years before 2017. A 6 time champion who has already won on a quick AO court is anything but unproven.
Djoker has 5 WTFs, 4 Shanghai, 4 Paris and 4 Wimbleys. There is no doubt about his game on faster courts. On a fast hard court the ball comes very early and being able to handle that without losing advantage in the rally is really important. Nole is very good at that. I see no problem here. He will keep hitting the ball at the opponent's legs.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Play along. There's a reason I mentioned 2017-present. You fell for it. ;)

Of course Djokovic is a crazy good AO champ (overall). 6 titles prove it. But until he wins with this new surface, he simply hasn't.

Want a different example? Look at Federer at USO. He went from 5-in-a-row, to nada. Made only 2 finals in the next 10 years. So until Fed wins another USO, he's unproven at USO's new 'conditions'.
Simples! ;)
Lol ok I guess. As far as the USO, the conditions since 2017 are vastly different than when Federer won or either in 2015. Not exactly the same. It was pretty quick in 2015.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Djoker has 5 WTFs, 4 Shanghai, 4 Paris and 4 Wimbleys. There is no doubt about his game on faster courts. On a fast hard court the ball comes very early and being able to handle that without losing advantage in the rally is really important. Nole is very good at that. I see no problem here. He will keep hitting the ball at the opponent's legs.
Yea he is pretty good on fast hardcourt and won the USO a couple of times when it was quick. I see no reason why the faster AO court should be an issue for him.
 
LOL.Nice try trying to group Djokovic and Nadal together.
Djokovic and Nadal at AO are not the same.
Federer will have million times better chances against Nadal than against Djokovic.

Now that Nadal's master is back on top he is back to avoiding tournaments as much as possible citing bogus injuries.
Still can't understand nadal's injuries which somehow magically disappear for 10 weeks b/w monte carlo to french open
 
That won't happen. If Nole is in the finals, Fed will TANK the semis. He's been getting his rear kicked by Nole for the past 4-5 years. He can't even beat him in Cincy anymore
 

Enceladus

Hall of Fame
You're optimistic.
Is it possible? Sure.
Probable? I don't think so. At least not yet.
Djokovic is unproven at the new AO surface introduced since 2017. I understand that he wasn't 'there' or 'injured', but still... unproven.

AO is actually Fed's most consistent slam, even though he won more WBs. Yes, Djokovic is in better form atm, but AO19 is a ways away. IMO they are neck and neck for AO19 all things considered, with Djokovic having the age advantage.
We'll know very soon. ;)
Guy, did you watch this year's Shanghai Masters? Djoker had no troubles with the fast surface in Shanghai. If will Djoker in January 2019 is in the same form as it is today (which will certainly be), he will not be in troubles with the fast surface from the last two events AO.
 

oldmanfan

Legend
Guy, did you watch this year's Shanghai Masters? Djoker had no troubles with the fast surface in Shanghai. If will Djoker in January 2019 is in the same form as it is today (which will certainly be), he will not be in troubles with the fast surface from the last two events AO.
I was just messing around. ;)

But you DO realize that in tennis, 1+1 is not always 2 right?

Shanghai is Shanghai, AO is AO, and Cinci is Cinci.

Based on the logic in your post, then Djokovic should be king of Cinci, yet it took him 5 finals and an absolutely horrid Federer for him to finally win it.
Relax.
I do have Djokovic as the slightly biggest favorite for AO19 over Federer. But Fed won the last 2, and Djoker went R2/R4 for his. I know this is a different Djokovic, but this is also a different AO than when he domintated it. He definitely CAN win it, but nothing is 'certainly' there, as you put it.
It's all fun talk, and moot until the end of AO19. :)
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Fed is 37 years old. The #1 player should easily defeat him 6-2, 6-1, 6-2. And that's the reality. The fact Djokovic fans salivate over this shows their collective mindset. Dial back to '91 when Connors faced Courier in the USO semis. Historically Jimmy is the far greater player than Courier but he was on his last legs then.

The hands of time stop for no man, even the GOAT.
 
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