Hypothetical: the ATP bans poly strings. What changes?

It's not so simple, I think. This is why I initially said some players will have to rebuild their game from scratch. If you are relying on certain clearance and inertia that will no longer be there, your effectiveness is going down the drain. If a forehand to someone's backhand was reaching him at shoulder height, but this is now say 10 inches lower and 10% slower, you might be losing the initiative. It's a very complicated scenario.

I don't know if you are making a specific comparison between Rafa and Roger here ... but the primary reason for Rafa's spin game is his large hooped tennis racquet and his stroke technique ... not the string he uses. Rafa could still produce very high RPMs with a very high tension thick stiff synthetic gut. But he would have to change his racquets a lot more frequently during the course of a single match.

Borg was using tiny hooped racquets that were very heavy and natural gut strings. He was able to produce huge RPMs with that config. And Borg had a lot of racquets in his bag.

The great thing about elite tennis players is that they can develop their games to very high levels subject to the constraints they are presented with.

PS: for those wondering, the rpm triggers and regulates the Magnus Effect that ensures the ball goes downward after it clears the net despite the huge force the player exerts partially upwards. The rpm then also helps transhorizontalirizontal momentum once the ball hits the court. More rpm = more horizontal momentum (heavy ball).

You are only talking about topspin. Magus force can be effective in several directions.
 
@Kralingen @Russeljones - whatever changes in regulation, if any, will need to happen in juniors and challengers first.

Its too late for the curent crop of pros to adapt their games when they grew up with polys and big size heads.

Did you live through the last three decades of the 20th Century? The sport is always changing.

Who knows. We may end up with future generations using very light stiff 120 sq inch hoops
 
I don't know if you are making a specific comparison between Rafa and Roger here ... but the primary reason for Rafa's spin game is his large hooped tennis racquet and his stroke technique ... not the string he uses. Rafa could still produce very high RPMs with a very high tension thick stiff synthetic gut. But he would have to change his racquets a lot more frequently during the course of a single match.

Borg was using tiny hooped racquets that were very heavy and natural gut strings. He was able to produce huge RPMs with that config. And Borg had a lot of racquets in his bag.

The great thing about elite tennis players is that they can develop their games to very high levels subject to the constraints they are presented with.



You are only talking about topspin. Magus force can be effective in several directions.
I see it as the #1 impacted dimension in this scenario, yes.
 
It's just for fun and kicks. I doubt we'll ever see such a change.

If the sport loses its spectacle, that will trigger changes.

In relative terms, tennis is becoming less popular globally losing out to Football and Basketball as time passes.

The more tennis focuses on athleticism, the more it will lose players to other sports. And once the last of the Big 3 has retired, many will leave the sport for easier pastures. (Team sports are a lot friendlier to both juniors and their parents.)
 
Less easy topspin and power which means more control and skill will be required to play at a high level, more diversity in playing styles that can succeed which will all mean that the next gen will need to get serious if they want to make a living playing tennis.
 
Let’s say the ATP decides modern tennis has gotten out of control and they ban all polyester/co-poly strings tomorrow. No racquet limitations, only strings - natural/multi gut are the only strings allowed.

I understand racquet tech and string physics on some level, but not enough to isolate its impact on the game. this is a question for the racquet experts and especially for the old timer constant “poly has ruined the game” crowd. How would things change? Would it be a big difference, totally reshaping the top 10 and top of the game? Small difference as players would adjust? Small difference for some playing styles but big difference for others?

How would the overall product look? Improved or worsened? No wrong answers here.
Not sure the intent behind this, but you are fully capable of answering your question. Rent a Babolat and string it with pure gut, then another one and string it with poly. Then play a set against a 5.5 player with each stick. Within a few points you'll know those "old timer constants" were true.
 
Not sure the intent behind this, but you are fully capable of answering your question. Rent a Babolat and string it with pure gut, then another one and string it with poly. Then play a set against a 5.5 player with each stick. Within a few points you'll know those "old timer constants" were true.
If I played against a 5.5 it wouldn’t teach me anything to be fair, I would get wrecked very badly with either stick.
 
If I played against a 5.5 it wouldn’t teach me anything to be fair, I would get wrecked very badly with either stick.
No shame in that. The thing is, you really need to play against an elite level player, ideally an elite college level player in order to somewhat simulate pro conditions and appreciate the difference. This video does a good job, and the player demonstrating was an elite level college player back in his heyday:

 
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Hard disagree. Most of the pros are using frames/tech that has been around since the 90s. Racquet tech has pretty much stagnated since babolat pure drive came out. It has helped the recreational player by allowing a stiffer frame ~300 grams to play 'solid', but most top pros are using something a little heavier and with much more flex/buttery feel that is great for control. The poly has been the huuuuge game changer. As per Agassi's explanation in open that I used here:




Big difference between all gut and half and half.



you can get huge spin with any string, but you can't get the same dead feeling which allows you to swing out on every ball like you get with poly. Poly does nothing to the ball, that's the special property; it literally makes things dead so you can swing as hard as you like and the ball will grip rather than fly. I'd wager the average spin of ruud nadal AND the average speed of groundstroke would be higher than gut finals of the 90s.



We would largely see a return of what the 90s gave us. Servers would have more success, returners would struggle, less homogenization in results/more upsets variance. Baseliners would be forced to play up the court on hard. More coming forward. rallies would end in more errors/less winners I think.

I think Medvedev would be the biggest winner.
With his funny looking strokes and desperate need for time I think he'd be in a ton of trouble with pure gut. I'd give Zverev a much better shot. Strokes are simpler and flatter. Of course the serve will suffer, but what else is new...
 
Meh. I don't think it would drastically change much. Their technqiue produces most of the spin and control anyway, but poly is said to give them that bit more of both. They would compensate and develop something more with whatever string choices they had.
 
Why? And to what? Nat Gut will result in ATP going back to 90 sq inch range. Why composition? Unless you state wood only I don't see any issue with graphite + whatever [fibreglass, kevlar, etc]. Why and what SW? Likely go back to higher SW.
BTW, other than string material there are regulations on all playing equipment. Racquet length, ball weight, etc. People keep stating tennis jas no equipment specs, this is wrong. Tennis allows for material development but not other changes.

For the purpose of standardization and protection against future technological changes, that can then be weighed carefully before approving
 
All of this is sounding like we’d see a ton more unreturned serves, a lot of mugs missing passing shots, and a lot more UEs and worse play overall.

Poly has helped improve serve as well as return. Serve stats IIRC have improved more than return stats. It’s mostly net play that got removed from the modern game
 
How is Zverev's strokes simpler?

edit: do not confuse length with how many moving parts there are. Medvedev takes a long swing but with very few moving parts (the wrist is very quiet). This is why he can control/be consistent with very low spin rates.

To compare: Sock's forehand is shorter than Medvedev's. Is it simpler? Not to me.

That's a good point, but I think the length of the swing is important too with gut. Agassi, Courier, Chang, PETE, Becker, Rafter, Kafelnikov, Kracijek, Goran and most top players in the 90s had compact swings.
 
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Players will play closer to the baseline and there will be more net approaches due to court positioning as well as more difficult to execute passing shots.
 
Banning poly would be interesting. The string manufacturers would just invent a new material since it’s all synthetic anyway. I don’t think the ATP would ban synthetic strings completely.
 
Weren’t Bruguera, Berasetegui, and others able to generate massive amounts of topspin without poly in the 90s? Why would Nadal, Tsitsipas, and others with loopy swing paths suffer?

Bruguera and Berasategui had to play with extreme grips to generate great spin, Berasategui even may have had the most extreme grip of all time, didn't have to change grip between forehand and backhand

The easy spin of poly strings has made extreme grips less common
 
Djokovic might still be the best, haha.


Who else in the top 15 even uses a hybrid setup?

Djokovic uses a hybrid of natural gut, does anyone else? I bet the entire top 15 is full poly haha
 
I don't know if you are making a specific comparison between Rafa and Roger here ... but the primary reason for Rafa's spin game is his large hooped tennis racquet and his stroke technique ... not the string he uses. Rafa could still produce very high RPMs with a very high tension thick stiff synthetic gut. But he would have to change his racquets a lot more frequently during the course of a single match.

Borg was using tiny hooped racquets that were very heavy and natural gut strings. He was able to produce huge RPMs with that config. And Borg had a lot of racquets in his bag.

The great thing about elite tennis players is that they can develop their games to very high levels subject to the constraints they are presented with.



You are only talking about topspin. Magus force can be effective in several directions.
Correct.
What if I told you that Nadal IS using a non co-poly string? Babolat duralast, his string of choice, is a polyester which is as spinfriendly as a synthetic gut or a multi... The reason why he uses it is that it's very low powered so he doesn't need to string it a 40kg to control the ball while swinging out. Nadal's spin is 100% from his technique.
OTOH, Fred and Nole are using the most performing high-tech hybrid, which is gut/CO-polyester. They would suffer a lot from a CO-poly ban.
 
There is synthetic gut as well. Its called gut because it's usually a monofilament which plays softer like the old natural gut.

Polyfilament synthetic strings are made of the same material as synthetic gut but the way the strands are woven/composed gives them durability and 'bite' necessary for spin
Is it usually a mono? Real gut is not a natural mono.
 
Djokovic might still be the best, haha.


Who else in the top 15 even uses a hybrid setup?

Djokovic uses a hybrid of natural gut, does anyone else? I bet the entire top 15 is full poly haha
Djokovic might still be the best, haha.


Who else in the top 15 even uses a hybrid setup?

Djokovic uses a hybrid of natural gut, does anyone else? I bet the entire top 15 is full poly haha
Zverev does. Recently Thiem and Murray have as well. Sure they may not be top 15 now but that's not due to string choice.
 
When poly came about what changed?
--easier to get passed at the net
--easier to keep groundies in
--easier to return bomb serves with interest (not just a block back)
--more blistering winners from unlikely or out of position places from the back court.
--easier to change defense to offense
This resulted in a more baseline oriented game. Which most player styles today are based off of--whether they are a baseline basher, defensive artist, or forehand +1 player (meaning set up a big forehand then come in for a winning mid court shot).
More recently because of the power, depth and spin they generate so easily from the back court we've seen two other strategies become more popular.

1--Return of serve from the behind the camera. Nadal and Medvedev have really popularized it, but many more are backing up and then taking a full swing knowing the ball will land in. They can hit it so well from 3 miles behind the service line that it is not easy to S and V it for a winner. Without poly from this position, I think we'd see a lot more errors off their racquet if they had to drive it as hard as they do or they'd have to choose a more lofty ball which would allow S and V to creep back in.

2--Increased use of the drop shot. Now that guys can blast balls from beyond the baseline a drop shot can be used more frequently then prior to poly. If you look at some of the classic flat hititers prior to poly, they could hug the baseline and have less ground to cover in case of a drop shot. Drop shots were popular on clay because the guys would be heaving deep heavy balls off the clay from behind the baseline. We now see this situation more frequently on hard and grass. Also, now that FH's are so potent, guys have to hang back otherwise get blown off the court. So if you have a great FH pushing your opponent back a great dropper really makes your game vicious now. Without poly, the court area you need to cover might go down a little taking away some of the effectiveness of the drop shot.

Prior to poly, I think when hitting groundstrokes you had to make a choice of power and depth or spin and depth. Of course all shots had some spin back then, but now you get your cake and eat it too--you can drive the ball with tons of spin and it goes deep. Prior to poly if you really drive the ball, you weren't able to get the spin as easily so it was a risky shot that players would build points to. Spin comes much more freely now so you can unload more often.

If you got rid of poly I don't think we'd revert back to 90's tennis. I think advancements in fitness and changes is stroke mechanics will counterbalance some of the changes. These guys will still be able to generate a lot of spin.
I think it gives the big servers a bigger edge with more returns needing to be blocked back.
I don't think we'll see full time S and Volleyer's, but probably more all court players.
I think it will make Nadal more human. He might have to come closer to the baseline on service returns, and his FH might come down a little giving the righties a better chance against him.
I also think it may take the sting out of Djoker's returns. Probably more errors from his returns and his baseline coverage. HIs defense will be great, but it might be harder to change defense to offense so well.
In the eyes of most people, the game might not look that much different, but probably a subtle changes in the stats that might tilt wins more in favor of all court players ever so slightly.

Would this benefit the growth/popularity of tennis?
Maybe matches would be shorter with more unforced errors and shorter rallies. This probably appeals to many people.
But if you took away some of the frequency of sensational shots would that hurt the popularity?

The problems of the 90's were servebots but there were baseliners and all court players.
Now the problem is we have baseliners with some servebots and all court players mixed in.

I would hope that getting rid of poly with the advents in fitness, we'd get a good balance between the 90's and today where different styles could flourish.
 
Hey, I am all for changes. I think balls will be easier to change too.

That's good to hear.

I've been following tennis for several decades.

For me, the pinnacle of the sport occurred during and just after the Borg-McEnroe era. We witnessed a real battle between two distinct styles of play on all surfaces ... the S&V style -vs- the Baseline style. During that period, we also witnessed significant evolution in the equipment the players used and in other important areas that affected the sport (eg. Sports science, training methods, mental skill development, etc.). And during that period, there was a wider variation in playing conditions and surfaces than there is today.

I enjoyed watching a sport where skilled tennis players relied more on their tennis skills and nous for success than their physical athleticism and endurance. For me, modern equipment and playing conditions has shifted the sport more towards being an athletic sport rather than a skilled based one.

For example, modern specatators seem to be highly impressed when a player pulls off a series of clutch volleys or a great offensive lob. Rushing the net behind a first serve and hitting a put away volley is often greated with wonderment. But all of these things were common place back in the 1970s.

I think we can return the sport to those days and still retain much of the athleticism simply by reducing hoop sizes and outlawing copoly strings. It will still be a great spectacle but offer up a lot more variety.

It would also mean that junior players could develop much more individual games suited to their desires. More flexible coaching methods would produce a variety of players that could compete. Move away from the academy production lines of the past decade focused on producing clones that play a baseline game.

We also need much more surface variety. Grass should be very fast. Hard Courts should be very different from very slow to very fast. We should never see a situation where two or three players dominate on all surfaces. Like the old days, there should be players that dominate on grass who find Clay a challenge. And vice versa.

For me, that is the required future of the game. It needs to change to keep a global audience engaged. Otherwise, the Media broadcasters who provide most of the $$$ for the sport will jump off in favour of the really huge sports ... Association Football (Soccer), Basketball, Golf, and F1 Motor Racing globally ... and local / regional sports like Australian Rules football, Cricket, American Football, Baseball, Rugbys etc.

Tennis is in a unique position in that it can be played at any hour of the day in most parts of the world. There is always an audience somewhere ready to watch big tennis matches. It can be played indoors which removes the climate influence to some extent. It can be played at night under lights. What it doesn't need is hundreds of players basically playing the sasme matches over and over all resorting to the same style. With the current scoring formats, that gets very boring very quickly for most GENERAL viewers. (Tennis fans will always be interested.)

Tennis could also tinker with Scoring Formats to make it more exciting. But that is a whole other discussion. Remember Moratoglou's Ultimate Tennis Showdown format? That made the sport much more exciting to watch afaic.
 
That's good to hear.

I've been following tennis for several decades.

For me, the pinnacle of the sport occurred during and just after the Borg-McEnroe era. We witnessed a real battle between two distinct styles of play on all surfaces ... the S&V style -vs- the Baseline style. During that period, we also witnessed significant evolution in the equipment the players used and in other important areas that affected the sport (eg. Sports science, training methods, mental skill development, etc.). And during that period, there was a wider variation in playing conditions and surfaces than there is today.

I enjoyed watching a sport where skilled tennis players relied more on their tennis skills and nous for success than their physical athleticism and endurance. For me, modern equipment and playing conditions has shifted the sport more towards being an athletic sport rather than a skilled based one.

For example, modern specatators seem to be highly impressed when a player pulls off a series of clutch volleys or a great offensive lob. Rushing the net behind a first serve and hitting a put away volley is often greated with wonderment. But all of these things were common place back in the 1970s.

I think we can return the sport to those days and still retain much of the athleticism simply by reducing hoop sizes and outlawing copoly strings. It will still be a great spectacle but offer up a lot more variety.

It would also mean that junior players could develop much more individual games suited to their desires. More flexible coaching methods would produce a variety of players that could compete. Move away from the academy production lines of the past decade focused on producing clones that play a baseline game.

We also need much more surface variety. Grass should be very fast. Hard Courts should be very different from very slow to very fast. We should never see a situation where two or three players dominate on all surfaces. Like the old days, there should be players that dominate on grass who find Clay a challenge. And vice versa.

For me, that is the required future of the game. It needs to change to keep a global audience engaged. Otherwise, the Media broadcasters who provide most of the $$$ for the sport will jump off in favour of the really huge sports ... Association Football (Soccer), Basketball, Golf, and F1 Motor Racing globally ... and local / regional sports like Australian Rules football, Cricket, American Football, Baseball, Rugbys etc.

Tennis is in a unique position in that it can be played at any hour of the day in most parts of the world. There is always an audience somewhere ready to watch big tennis matches. It can be played indoors which removes the climate influence to some extent. It can be played at night under lights. What it doesn't need is hundreds of players basically playing the sasme matches over and over all resorting to the same style. With the current scoring formats, that gets very boring very quickly for most GENERAL viewers. (Tennis fans will always be interested.)

Tennis could also tinker with Scoring Formats to make it more exciting. But that is a whole other discussion. Remember Moratoglou's Ultimate Tennis Showdown format? That made the sport much more exciting to watch afaic.
I couldn't agree more. Shotmaking has been bumped off by cardio.
 
the game of tennis is just that a game technology tends to change.good or bad it does change We all adapt iin one way or another Everyone will adapt have fun
 
When did this happen?
I might not be as old but I remember physical speed and endurance always being important.
The prevalence of 5+ shot rallies has put the onus on endurance with many rallies decided by the inability of one player to keep up. This is also tied in with the poly dynamic in the sense that baseline comfort created patterns that extended rallies significantly.
 
The prevalence of 5+ shot rallies has put the onus on endurance with many rallies decided by the inability of one player to keep up. This is also tied in with the poly dynamic in the sense that baseline comfort created patterns that extended rallies significantly.
So Borg, Chang, Hewitt where not fit?

Cash was one of the fastest man over 20m. Sampras was fast in a straight line. Their endurance might be less as points where shorter but they chose power over endurance.

At the time Lendll was considered one of the fittest men alive.

Agassi had to improve his fitness in order to win Majors again. He was fit and fast in late 80s but abuse slowed him.

Muster looked like he was on speed.

Vilas was fit as funk.

Becker was muscle and explosive power.

Gilbert said his main attribute was natural fitness.

Court and Graf where some of the fittest women in sport during their era.

Later was nibble,fast and had great endurance for his time.

Fitness has always been an important asset. Maybe your complaint physical science from 70 to 00s but tennis has always required a high level of enduance, power and speed.
 
So Borg, Chang, Hewitt where not fit?

Cash was one of the fastest man over 20m. Sampras was fast in a straight line. Their endurance might be less as points where shorter but they chose power over endurance.

At the time Lendll was considered one of the fittest men alive.

Agassi had to improve his fitness in order to win Majors again. He was fit and fast in late 80s but abuse slowed him.

Muster looked like he was on speed.

Vilas was fit as funk.

Becker was muscle and explosive power.

Gilbert said his main attribute was natural fitness.

Court and Graf where some of the fittest women in sport during their era.

Later was nibble,fast and had great endurance for his time.

Fitness has always been an important asset. Maybe your complaint physical science from 70 to 00s but tennis has always required a high level of enduance, power and speed.
I think you are following a line of reasoning that is not live in anything of what I've said. The exceptional athleticism of the players listed was not a match-winning weapon. More often than not, they won tennis matches on the merits of their shotmaking. No one can list the multitude of players who win tennis matches today despite being decidedly short on variety. And I am certainly not talking about clay tennis.
 
Let’s say the ATP decides modern tennis has gotten out of control and they ban all polyester/co-poly strings tomorrow. No racquet limitations, only strings - natural/multi gut are the only strings allowed.

I understand racquet tech and string physics on some level, but not enough to isolate its impact on the game. this is a question for the racquet experts and especially for the old timer constant “poly has ruined the game” crowd. How would things change? Would it be a big difference, totally reshaping the top 10 and top of the game? Small difference as players would adjust? Small difference for some playing styles but big difference for others?

How would the overall product look? Improved or worsened? No wrong answers here.
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I think we would have seen the Raonic's/Isner's/karlovic's all have their slam run. Karlovic against non-poly guys would have been very interesting I think

I mean, Raonic managed to get to a Wimbledon final in the poly era (breaking Fed in the fifth, no less), so he'd probably have done well. Can't say I'd be super stoked to watch, because I don't find his game aesthetically nice, but that serve is possibly the best of all time, and it would be a nightmare to try to get it back into play without poly.

Anyone who thinks that the poly strings aren't the most significant factor of change is just wrong. You can shank the ball into the court instead of into the stands. You can make a serve and volleyer hit every first volley from his shoe laces (and I know that Edberg made some of those volleys look absolutely beautiful, but it's not a winning strategy to have to start every net approach like that).

I started watching in the late 80s, so I love me some pre-poly tennis, but any of the 90s greats using their era-correct gear would have an incredibly tough time against a top poly-era player using his normal setup.

I think Kuerten vs Rafter in Cincy 2001 is a pretty good example of how poly affected the game. I loved Rafter, and it was pretty crazy to see his S&V rendered completely useless.
 
I think you are following a line of reasoning that is not live in anything of what I've said. The exceptional athleticism of the players listed was not a match-winning weapon. More often than not, they won tennis matches on the merits of their shotmaking. No one can list the multitude of players who win tennis matches today despite being decidedly short on variety. And I am certainly not talking about clay tennis.

Spot on afaic.

Borg was probably the fittest athletic tennis player of his era. But McEnroe caught him and surpassed him on grass courts and hard courts. McEnroe was a physically fit athlete as well, but nowhere near Borg.

Lendl, took it to the next level. His work ethic probably shifted the direction of the sport to make it much more athletic. But as fit as he was, he was not able to win a Wimbledon title against players who clearly weren't as physically fit and strong as he was. Hard as he try to master grass, he just couldn't conquer that final mountain because he lacked the fine tennis skills required to dominate on that surface. (People often talk about guys like Borg and Nadal as being great base-line players. But at their peak, both of them had excellent first serves AND exceptional volleying skills. Both Borg and Nadal knew how to finish a point with great put away volley. Something Lendl was not able to do consistently.)
 
Spot on afaic.

Borg was probably the fittest athletic tennis player of his era. But McEnroe caught him and surpassed him on grass courts and hard courts. McEnroe was a physically fit athlete as well, but nowhere near Borg.

Lendl, took it to the next level. His work ethic probably shifted the direction of the sport to make it much more athletic. But as fit as he was, he was not able to win a Wimbledon title against players who clearly weren't as physically fit and strong as he was. Hard as he try to master grass, he just couldn't conquer that final mountain because he lacked the fine tennis skills required to dominate on that surface. (People often talk about guys like Borg and Nadal as being great base-line players. But at their peak, both of them had excellent first serves AND exceptional volleying skills. Both Borg and Nadal knew how to finish a point with great put away volley. Something Lendl was not able to do consistently.)

nadal does not have exceptional volleying skills by any decent definition. lendl was certainly a better volleyer than nadal and came in far more frequently. Lendl's problem was his RoS on inconsistent bouncing grass vs very good SnVers.
 
nadal does have exceptional volleying skills. lendl was certainly a better volleyer than nadal and came in far more frequently.

Lendl's first and second volley were better STROKES than Nadal's.

But they were not better SHOTS!

Do you see the difference in what I'm saying with that comparison?

(Nadal didn't have to come in as frequently as Lendl because Nadal's base-line game allowed him to dominate the majority of his opponents, even on grass courts.)
 
Pretty big considering. It's a bit like if wooden hockey sticks remained in NHL.

Strings would break more often point black if some players maintained baseline power game.
 
Lendl's first and second volley were better STROKES than Nadal's.

But they were not better SHOTS!

Do you see the difference in what I'm saying with that comparison?

(Nadal didn't have to come in as frequently as Lendl because Nadal's base-line game allowed him to dominate the majority of his opponents, even on grass courts.)

only appears so because nadal doesn't come in as much and thus doesn't have more of his net game exposed. plus consistent bouncing grass helps.
Lendl's biggest problem on grass was his RoS on inconsistent bouncing grass vs very good SnVers.
He actually should have/could have stayed back more on 2nd serves on grass ala Borg.
 
only appears so because nadal doesn't come in as much and thus doesn't have more of his net game exposed. plus consistent bouncing grass helps.
Lendl's biggest problem on grass was his RoS on inconsistent bouncing grass vs very good SnVers.
He actually should have/could have stayed back more on 2nd serves on grass ala Borg.

Well the main aim is to win the point any way you can. Nadal was clearly more successful at doing that at Wimbledon than Lendl was.

But I agreew with what you say about him staying back more often a la Borg. And IIRC, many commentators back in the day said exactly the same thing. They couldn't understand why Lendl didn't grind out points on grass the way he did on clay and HC. It was almost as if Lendl felt he had to compete with his S&V opponents using their methods rather than trusting in his own strengths to do the job. Borg, and Wilander to a lesser extent, proved it was possible. Pity for Lendl really. But probably had a bit to do with the influence his coach had over him.
 
There will be changes for sure though I don't think rallying would nosedive. Only people who haven't actually survived yawnfests like Agassi Chang 96 AO would think poly alone boosted rallying.

But without poly, a tennis player's ability to flatten condition differences and play the same everywhere would be diminished. When you look at pre poly videos on grass, you can see players almost crouching and often hitting groundies from well below the hips. This was a necessary ability at that time. You couldn't use poly to generate so much spin that the ball kicked up even on grass. You had to have effective shots for balls that kept low and too many on tour today don't anymore. Related, you would need serious skills in digging out slices because it would be much harder without poly to help get the ball up over.

In essence, the game would look a lot like the 90s again but with still more uniform stroke production and greater physicality and athleticism.
 
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