Hypothetical TTW War : Peak Federer vs Peak Djokovic throughout a season

ForehandCross

ForehandCross

G.O.A.T.
can't help but laugh at seeing people say Fred beats Djokovic most places.

The way I see it,

AO - Djokovic easy

IW - Djokovic slightly

Miami - Djokovic

Monte Carlo - Djokovic easy (look up 2013 F)

Rome - Fraud slightly (only for 2006 showing )

Madrid/Hamburg - Fraud slightly

RG : Fraud (This is one strong feeling I have , A Fred who is in physical peak and in good form is a tough match for Djokovic who doesn't hit through clay that much)


WB : Djokovic (Because Grass produces close matches and it becomes a matter of being clutch, Fred might be the better player but Djokovic will always push it and win)

Canada - Djokovic

Cincy - Fraud

USO - Fraud slightly

Paris - Djokovic

Shanghai - Fraud

WTF - Djokovic slightly (2006 F was crazy but Djokovic actually won the match that felt peak vs peak in 2012)
 
There is absolutely no way Djoker would beat Fed peak for peak at Wimby. He only barely beat the 14/15 versions and scraped past a nearly 38 yr old Fed In 19. The 2012 match was the closest to both of them being at their peak with Djoker just past having his best season ever. That Fed was still probably his 4/5th best version of Fed there.

FED 03-07 would 100% beat all versions of Djoker at Wimby.

08-09 would probably beat most versions of Djoker there too.
 
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Turning Pro said:
There absolutely no way Djoker would beat Fed peak for peak at Wimby. He only barely beat the 14/15 versions and scraped past nearly 38 yr old Fed In 19. The 2012 match was the closest to both of them being at their peak with Djoker just past his best season ever. That Fed was still probably his 4/5th version of Fed there.

FED 03-07 would 100% beat all versions of Djoker at Wimby.

08-09 would probably beat most versions of Djoker there too.
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Nope, Djokovic has beaten Fred enough times to be considered fav
 
Only place it would be close is AO and maybe Miami. Just watch that AO 2011 match again. Wow, yes it was straights but it was damn close and Fed completely blew that second set. Peak Fed would win, especially before they changed the surface at AO. Anywhere else, Djokovic is dust against peak Fed.
 
Nobody is beating anyone anywhere easily peak for peak.

The only scenario as close to an easy victory as you get is probably a really fast hard court. Fed beat Djokovic way too many times especially in 2014-2015 on fast hard courts for me to think Djokovic could even get close to peak Federer in Dubai/Cincinnati or something.
 
AO - 6-4 Federer (if 07 otherwise Djokovic by a slightly wider margin than 6-4)
RG - 6-4 Federer
Wim - 8-2 Federer (9-1 if not for 15 F saving the day)
USO - 7-3 Federer
YEC - 7-3 Federer
 
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ForehandCross said:
can't help but laugh at seeing people say Fred beats Djokovic most places.

The way I see it,

AO - Djokovic easy

IW - Djokovic slightly

Miami - Djokovic

Monte Carlo - Djokovic easy (look up 2013 F)

Rome - Fraud slightly (only for 2006 showing )

Madrid/Hamburg - Fraud slightly

RG : Fraud (This is one strong feeling I have , A Fred who is in physical peak and in good form is a tough match for Djokovic who doesn't hit through clay that much)


WB : Djokovic (Because Grass produces close matches and it becomes a matter of being clutch, Fred might be the better player but Djokovic will always push it and win)

Canada - Djokovic

Cincy - Fraud

USO - Fraud slightly

Paris - Djokovic

Shanghai - Fraud

WTF - Djokovic slightly (2006 F was crazy but Djokovic actually won the match that felt peak vs peak in 2012)
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Well this is TT and just like you, the way ‘others’ see it, they will have their own views. I don’t see what’s to laugh about it.

You ask me? I still go with Federer peak for peak on all surfaces outside of clay. Now throw me some of that popcorn too.
 
AnOctorokForDinner said:
AO - Djokovic
IW - Federer
Miami - Djokovic
MC - tie
Rome - tie (peak only)
3rd clay - Federer
RG - tie
WB - Federer
Canada - Djokovic
Cincy - Federer
USO - Federer
1st fall - tie (peak only)
Paris - Djokovic
YEC - Federer

total:
slams 2,5-1,5 Federer
YEC 1-0 Federer
masters 3-3 tie
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I hereby judge this poast to be both morally correct and ethically fair.
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Slams -

AO djok
FO 50/50
Wim Fed
USO Fed

Masters -

IW 50/50
Miami Djok
MC Fed
Rome Djok
Madrid Fed
Canada Djok
Cincinnati Fed
Shanghai Fed
Paris Djok

ATP F - Fed
 
ForehandCross said:
can't help but laugh at seeing people say Fred beats Djokovic most places.

The way I see it,

AO - Djokovic easy

IW - Djokovic slightly

Miami - Djokovic

Monte Carlo - Djokovic easy (look up 2013 F)

Rome - Fraud slightly (only for 2006 showing )

Madrid/Hamburg - Fraud slightly

RG : Fraud (This is one strong feeling I have , A Fred who is in physical peak and in good form is a tough match for Djokovic who doesn't hit through clay that much)


WB : Djokovic (Because Grass produces close matches and it becomes a matter of being clutch, Fred might be the better player but Djokovic will always push it and win)

Canada - Djokovic

Cincy - Fraud

USO - Fraud slightly

Paris - Djokovic

Shanghai - Fraud

WTF - Djokovic slightly (2006 F was crazy but Djokovic actually won the match that felt peak vs peak in 2012)
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Wow.

I know someone is looking for very astute and careful analysis when they start a thread on the debate with “I can’t help but laugh at the other argument!!!”
 
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AO: peak to peak, fed, prime to prime: djoko
RG: peak to peak, fed, prime to prime: even
Wim: both fed
USO: both fed
YEC: both fed

Masters:
IW and Monte Carlo - even
Hamburg/Madrid, Cincy, Shanghai: fed
Miami, Rome, Canada, Paris - djoko
 
ForehandCross said:
can't help but laugh at seeing people say Fred beats Djokovic most places.

The way I see it,

AO - Djokovic easy

IW - Djokovic slightly

Miami - Djokovic

Monte Carlo - Djokovic easy (look up 2013 F)

Rome - Fraud slightly (only for 2006 showing )

Madrid/Hamburg - Fraud slightly

RG : Fraud (This is one strong feeling I have , A Fred who is in physical peak and in good form is a tough match for Djokovic who doesn't hit through clay that much)


WB : Djokovic (Because Grass produces close matches and it becomes a matter of being clutch, Fred might be the better player but Djokovic will always push it and win)

Canada - Djokovic

Cincy - Fraud

USO - Fraud slightly

Paris - Djokovic

Shanghai - Fraud

WTF - Djokovic slightly (2006 F was crazy but Djokovic actually won the match that felt peak vs peak in 2012)
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Djokovic wouldn’t even take it to 5 sets lol

Although idk in some ways the USO pred is even better trolling because we have even more evidence for it being Fed than we do at Wim
 
IW - 6-4 Fed
Miami - 9-1 Djokovic
MC - 7-3 Fed
Madrid - 7-3 Fed
Hamburg - 8-2 Fed
Rome - 6-4 Fed (06 F only otherwise Djokovic 7-3)
Canada - 6-4 Fed
Cincy - 10-0 Fed
Paris - 6-4 Djokovic (11 and if Fed played in his peak one or 2 years)
Shanghai - 7-3 Fed
 
ForehandCross said:
can't help but laugh at seeing people say Fred beats Djokovic most places.

The way I see it,

AO - Djokovic easy

IW - Djokovic slightly

Miami - Djokovic

Monte Carlo - Djokovic easy (look up 2013 F)

Rome - Fraud slightly (only for 2006 showing )

Madrid/Hamburg - Fraud slightly

RG : Fraud (This is one strong feeling I have , A Fred who is in physical peak and in good form is a tough match for Djokovic who doesn't hit through clay that much)


WB : Djokovic (Because Grass produces close matches and it becomes a matter of being clutch, Fred might be the better player but Djokovic will always push it and win)

Canada - Djokovic

Cincy - Fraud

USO - Fraud slightly

Paris - Djokovic

Shanghai - Fraud

WTF - Djokovic slightly (2006 F was crazy but Djokovic actually won the match that felt peak vs peak in 2012)
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Here, this is an accurate one:


abmk said:
AO: peak to peak, fed, prime to prime: djoko
RG: peak to peak, fed, prime to prime: even
Wim: both fed
USO: both fed
YEC: both fed

Masters:
IW and Monte Carlo - even
Hamburg/Madrid, Cincy, Shanghai: fed
Miami, Rome, Canada, Paris - djoko
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and please make sure you know your stuff before trying to say others don't.
 
Don’t have to go hypothetical.

Where was Peakovic at RG and Wimb and the USO playing already
post-prime Federer?

ANSWER: Peakovic lost in 4 sets at ‘11 RG and 4 sets in ‘12 Wimbledon and faced match points at the USO in ‘11.

And this was Peakovic v Post-prime Fed. Imagine what Peak Fed does to him.

MAYBE … maybe …Peak Novak takes slower Court AO.

But Peakerer wins RG and Wimb (like Post Primerer did in real time) and the USO.
 
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WeekendTennisHack said:
Only place it would be close is AO and maybe Miami. Just watch that AO 2011 match again. Wow, yes it was straights but it was damn close and Fed completely blew that second set. Peak Fed would win, especially before they changed the surface at AO. Anywhere else, Djokovic is dust against peak Fed.
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Sone of 2012 RG as well, iirc. Yes, it's strange how often Fed would have leading positions even in losses to Djokovic but would blow those through his own ufes, unprompted.
 
Azure said:
Well this is TT and just like you, the way ‘others’ see it, they will have their own views. I don’t see what’s to laugh about it.

You ask me? I still go with Federer peak for peak on all surfaces outside of clay. Now throw me some of that popcorn too.
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Is my trolling that good that no body saw I am made this thread just for fun?
 
ForehandCross said:
can't help but laugh at seeing people say Fred beats Djokovic most places.

The way I see it,

AO - Djokovic easy

IW - Djokovic slightly

Miami - Djokovic

Monte Carlo - Djokovic easy (look up 2013 F)

Rome - Fraud slightly (only for 2006 showing )

Madrid/Hamburg - Fraud slightly

RG : Fraud (This is one strong feeling I have , A Fred who is in physical peak and in good form is a tough match for Djokovic who doesn't hit through clay that much)


WB : Djokovic (Because Grass produces close matches and it becomes a matter of being clutch, Fred might be the better player but Djokovic will always push it and win)

Canada - Djokovic

Cincy - Fraud

USO - Fraud slightly

Paris - Djokovic

Shanghai - Fraud

WTF - Djokovic slightly (2006 F was crazy but Djokovic actually won the match that felt peak vs peak in 2012)
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Looooool
 
TheNachoMan said:
Did you think that in 2017-2018? :D
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I honestly don’t know. I think I was just enjoying 2017 in 2017. But I think I knew Novak was coming back eventually. I would have loved to have seen them at it, but folks would have just said “Novak’s hurt, he’d kill Fed if he wasn’t”.

But I’ve always though the peak question is central.

Why does it matter so very much if you can beat a teenage Novak or a diminished Fed in his 30s?

A better question for me who plays the best tennis at their very best.
 
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Federev said:
I think peak v peak is a fair question. To me it gets closer to the GOAT issue than numbers alone.
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Actually, I agree that peak vs. peak would be a great way to determine who is GOAT. But then again, that's also one of the reasons I don't think the GOAT discussion is meaningful. I don't think there is such a thing as a GOAT. All we can truly judge are outcomes.
 
AO - Djokovic
IW - Djokovic
Miami - Djokovic
Monte Carlo - Djokovic
Rome - Djokovic
Madrid/Hamburg - Federer
RG : Djokovic
WB : Federer
Canada - Djokovic
Cincy - Federer
USO - Federer
Paris - Djokovic
Shanghai - Federer

WTF - Tossup

Djokovic - 2 Slams + 6 Masters
Federer - 2 Slams + 3 Masters

WTF - Anybody could win.
 
GabeT said:
Actually, I agree that peak vs. peak would be a great way to determine who is GOAT. But then again, that's also one of the reasons I don't think the GOAT discussion is meaningful. I don't think there is such a thing as a GOAT. All we can truly judge are outcomes.
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Oh sane, mature, constructive Gabe T.

Why do you come to this evil place?
 
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