Hypothetically, In your opinion, who would have won the Slams race if the Big 3 were all born in 1981 ?

[Dean Winchester]

I despite being a Novak fan sympathize with Roger Federer, feel that Roger benefited as well as suffered from coming earlier than Djokodal. The Pros and Cons both have been there.

Despite this I feel if the ages were same Roger stands a good chance of leapfrogging ahead (it wouldn't be a straightforward win ... but a narrow win fought over decades IMO)

My guess is this, if all 3 are born in 1981, then this is how the timeline plays out :

2000 - Rafal Nadal wins his first slam or at least loses in the final to Kuerten, I think he wins.
2001 - Rafael Nadal again wins the French Open and is now ranked 1 in the world ahead of Hewitt.
2002 - Djokovic wins the Aus Open, Nadal takes French+Wimbledon, Federer is yet to win his first slam, now Nadal is firmly established as 1
2003 - 2005 - This is where Federer faces the toughest challenge, he has to break through a Nadal who would have a matchup advantage over him, Nole is also there, whether he has his Gluten issues or not is unknown but Nole would diagnose it anyway around this same period when Fed is rising, so there is a bit of a dogfight with Safin-Nole-Nadal-Fed-Roddick-Hewitt all in the mix for supremacy.
2005-2006 would be Nadal at his peak but he also would be having knee issues and Fed+Nole also at their peaks, possibly the tides would start changing from here and they start winning more and more from here vs Nadal

2007 onwards Federer and Nole firmly fighting as 1 & 2

Possibly Federer, Nadal and Nole keep the grips on their Wimbledon, French and Aus open throughout their career with very less chance of vulturing for their other 2 rivals, the US open would be a tricky affair.

I feel Federer emerges the first guy to break Pete Sampras's world record around 2014-2015 in this scenario and also ends up with most slams with Nole closely behind him, around same mark with 1-2 slams difference, Nadal close too in the count but in this scenario possibly Federer wins.

We might witness a different version of Federer that we never got to see in our lives, this Federer would struggle initially but would get so battle hardened with his struggles vs Rafa in correcting it with the right racquet that he might end up so tough by 06 that he holds his own for the next 15 years till 2020. He might not have his losses vs Nole on grass but would lose some HC slams too .....

Whats your opinion ???

Who wins this Big Fight on a level playing field ????

 

[The Big Foe fan]

Roger

 

[Oceans II]

Definitely not Federer as all the evidence suggests.

 

[Dean Winchester]

Definitely not Federer as all the evidence suggests.

Evidence suggests that in old age Federer somehow reversed the mindblock and recent H2H vs Nadal.

So in a level playing field he would only do that much earlier, he started off as a slow learner but then he caught speed, no reason why he cannot here

He even came very close to beating Nole on Grass in 2019 despite all the age gap...

This is a great feat in old age which is a bit underrated.

 

[The Big Foe fan]

2000 rog, 2005 rafa, 2006 nole in 2000 :- Rafa wins his first RG,
Slam score :- RF 0 RN 1 ND 0

2001 rog, 2006 rafa, 2007 nole in 2001 :- Rafa wins his second RG,
Slam score :- RF 0 RN 2 ND 0

2002 rog, 2007 rafa, 2008 nole in 2002 :- Rafa wins RG & Wimbledon, Nole wins AO (2008 was his 2nd best AO run)
Slam score :- RF 0 RN 4 ND 1

2003 Rog, 2008 rafa, 2009 nole in 2003 :- Rafa wins RG, Fed wins Wimbledon
Slam score :- RF 1 RN 5 ND 1

2004 Rog, 2009 Rafa, 2010 nole in 2004 :- Fed wins AO, Wim & USO, Rafa wins RG (No soderling)
Slam score :- RF 4 RN 6 ND 1

2005 Rog, 2010 Rafa, 2011 nole in 2005 :- Nole wins AO, Rafa wins RG, Fed wins Wim, Fed wins USO
Slam race :- RF 6 RN 7 ND 2

2006 Rog, 2011 Rafa, 2012 nole in 2006 :- Nole wins AO, Fed wins RG WIM & USO.
Slam score :- RF 9 RN 7 ND 3

2007 Rog, 2012 Rafa, 2013 Nole in 2007 :- Fed wins AO, Rafa wins RG, fed wins Wim & uso
Slam score :- RF 12 RN 8 ND 4

2008 rog, 2013 rafa & 2014 nole in 2008 :- Nole wins AO, Nadal wins RG, Fed wins Wim & USO
Slam score :- RF 14 RN 9 ND 5

2009 rog, 2014 rafa & 2015 nole in 2009 :- Fed/Nole wins AO, Nadal wins RG, Fed wins Wim, Fed/Nole wins USO
Slam score :- RF 16 RN 10 ND 6

2010 rog, 2015 rafa & 2016 nole in 2010 :- Nole wins AO, RG, somebody else wins wim & USO as all 3 were sheet
Slam score :- RF 16 RN 10 ND 8

2011 Rog, 2016 rafa & 2017 nole in 2011 :- potential CYGS for fed as djokodal are faultering apart, if not then he wins AO, RG & USO
Slam race :- RF 19 RN 10 ND 8

2012 Rog, 2017 Rafa & 2018 nole in 2012 :- Fed wins AO & Wim, Rafa wins RG, Nole wins USO
Slam race :- RF 21 RN 11 ND 9

2013 Rog, 2018 rafa & 2019 nole in 2013 :- Nole wins AO & Wim, Rafa wins RG & USO
Slam race :- RF 21 RN 13 ND 11

2014 Rog, 2019 rafa & 2020 nole in 2014 :- Nole wins AO & USO, Rafa wins RG, Fed wins Wim
Slam race :- RF 22 RN 14 ND 13

2015 Rog, 2020 rafa & 2021 nole in 2015 :- Nole wins AO, Rafa wins RG, fed wins Wim & uso
Slam race :- RF 24 RN 15 ND 14

Further data not available for testing

 

[Dean Winchester]

2000 rog, 2005 rafa, 2006 nole in 2000 :- Rafa wins his first RG,
Slam score :- RF 0 RN 1 ND 0

2001 rog, 2006 rafa, 2007 nole in 2001 :- Rafa wins his second RG,
Slam score :- RF 0 RN 2 ND 0

2002 rog, 2007 rafa, 2008 nole in 2002 :- Rafa wins RG & Wimbledon, Nole wins AO (2008 was his 2nd best AO run)
Slam score :- RF 0 RN 4 ND 1

2003 Rog, 2008 rafa, 2009 nole in 2003 :- Rafa wins RG, Fed wins Wimbledon
Slam score :- RF 1 RN 5 ND 1

2004 Rog, 2009 Rafa, 2010 nole in 2004 :- Fed wins AO, Wim & USO, Rafa wins RG (No soderling)
Slam score :- RF 4 RN 6 ND 1

2005 Rog, 2010 Rafa, 2011 nole in 2005 :- Nole wins AO, Rafa wins RG, Fed wins Wim, Fed wins USO
Slam race :- RF 6 RN 7 ND 2

2006 Rog, 2011 Rafa, 2012 nole in 2006 :- Nole wins AO, Fed wins RG WIM & USO.
Slam score :- RF 9 RN 7 ND 3

2007 Rog, 2012 Rafa, 2013 Nole in 2007 :- Fed wins AO, Rafa wins RG, fed wins Wim & uso
Slam score :- RF 12 RN 8 ND 4

2008 rog, 2013 rafa & 2014 nole in 2008 :- Nole wins AO, Nadal wins RG, Fed wins Wim & USO
Slam score :- RF 14 RN 9 ND 5

2009 rog, 2014 rafa & 2015 nole in 2009 :- Fed/Nole wins AO, Nadal wins RG, Fed wins Wim, Fed/Nole wins USO
Slam score :- RF 16 RN 10 ND 6

2010 rog, 2015 rafa & 2016 nole in 2010 :- Nole wins AO, RG, somebody else wins wim & USO as all 3 were sheet
Slam score :- RF 16 RN 10 ND 8

2011 Rog, 2016 rafa & 2017 nole in 2011 :- potential CYGS for fed as djokodal are faultering apart, if not then he wins AO, RG & USO
Slam race :- RF 19 RN 10 ND 8

2012 Rog, 2017 Rafa & 2018 nole in 2012 :- Fed wins AO & Wim, Rafa wins RG, Nole wins USO
Slam race :- RF 21 RN 11 ND 9

2013 Rog, 2018 rafa & 2019 nole in 2013 :- Nole wins AO & Wim, Rafa wins RG & USO
Slam race :- RF 21 RN 13 ND 11

2014 Rog, 2019 rafa & 2020 nole in 2014 :- Nole wins AO & USO, Rafa wins RG, Fed wins Wim
Slam race :- RF 22 RN 14 ND 13

2015 Rog, 2020 rafa & 2021 nole in 2015 :- Nole wins AO, Rafa wins RG, fed wins Wim & uso
Slam race :- RF 24 RN 15 ND 14

Further data not available for testing

Nice but you have underrated Djokovic a lot, he won't be winning 1 slam per year for so many years, he is ruthless on HCs and he would be good on Grass too, remember he turns pro in 1998 like Federer so this means on the 90s courts he would have a better serve.

Also how easily you have handed over 2003 Wimbledon to Federer when he is facing 2008 Rafa who would now be a defending champion here.

 

[Third Serve]

definitely fraud as all the evidence suggests

 

[The Big Foe fan]

Also how easily you have handed over 2003 Wimbledon to Federer when he is facing 2008 Rafa who would now be a defending champion here.

Rafa's not beating 2003 fed lol.

 

[zagor]

Conditions were still fairly diverse in early 2000s. In this scenario there wouldn't be the case of near invincible dominator Fed and young star Nadal challenging him which probably led to slowing down surfaces across the board to prop up the rivalry.

Also considering how Nadal's effectiveness dropped down against his rivals as he was nearing 30 and that Fed would have very likely switched to a bigger headsize earlier. I'm gonna go with Fed or Novak.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Fedr of course.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Fedr of course.

Hypothetical Federer remains undefeated. His power is starting to rival that of Uninjured Nadal.

 

[Sport]

Definetely Fed, as he always wins hypotheticals in TTW. The hypothetical GOAT, sir Roger Fedexpess.

 

[Dean Winchester]

wow, just 1 vote for Djokovic... ?

I thought Federer is underrated here, but it seems Nole is actually underrated ....

 

[Dean Winchester]

Conditions were still fairly diverse in early 2000s. In this scenario there wouldn't be the case of near invincible dominator Fed and young star Nadal challenging him which probably led to slowing down surfaces across the board to prop up the rivalry.

Also considering how Nadal's effectiveness dropped down against his rivals as he was nearing 30 and that Fed would have very likely switched to a bigger headsize earlier. I'm gonna go with Fed or Novak.

Well said Sir.

Nadal would be ranked 1 from 2001 till 2004/05 and then Fed-Nole would be ranked 1-2 from then on as Nadal's body would suffer burnout from the wear and tear of those 4-5 years and these 2 would be at their peaks, so Nadal would be ranked 3 mostly since 2005 and Fed-Nole would be fighting for 1, whoever remains 1 more between Fed-Nole wins the slams race by mid-late 2010s when they are all done.

 

[GabeT]

2000 rog, 2005 rafa, 2006 nole in 2000 :- Rafa wins his first RG,
Slam score :- RF 0 RN 1 ND 0

2001 rog, 2006 rafa, 2007 nole in 2001 :- Rafa wins his second RG,
Slam score :- RF 0 RN 2 ND 0

2002 rog, 2007 rafa, 2008 nole in 2002 :- Rafa wins RG & Wimbledon, Nole wins AO (2008 was his 2nd best AO run)
Slam score :- RF 0 RN 4 ND 1

2003 Rog, 2008 rafa, 2009 nole in 2003 :- Rafa wins RG, Fed wins Wimbledon
Slam score :- RF 1 RN 5 ND 1

2004 Rog, 2009 Rafa, 2010 nole in 2004 :- Fed wins AO, Wim & USO, Rafa wins RG (No soderling)
Slam score :- RF 4 RN 6 ND 1

2005 Rog, 2010 Rafa, 2011 nole in 2005 :- Nole wins AO, Rafa wins RG, Fed wins Wim, Fed wins USO
Slam race :- RF 6 RN 7 ND 2

2006 Rog, 2011 Rafa, 2012 nole in 2006 :- Nole wins AO, Fed wins RG WIM & USO.
Slam score :- RF 9 RN 7 ND 3

2007 Rog, 2012 Rafa, 2013 Nole in 2007 :- Fed wins AO, Rafa wins RG, fed wins Wim & uso
Slam score :- RF 12 RN 8 ND 4

2008 rog, 2013 rafa & 2014 nole in 2008 :- Nole wins AO, Nadal wins RG, Fed wins Wim & USO
Slam score :- RF 14 RN 9 ND 5

2009 rog, 2014 rafa & 2015 nole in 2009 :- Fed/Nole wins AO, Nadal wins RG, Fed wins Wim, Fed/Nole wins USO
Slam score :- RF 16 RN 10 ND 6

2010 rog, 2015 rafa & 2016 nole in 2010 :- Nole wins AO, RG, somebody else wins wim & USO as all 3 were sheet
Slam score :- RF 16 RN 10 ND 8

2011 Rog, 2016 rafa & 2017 nole in 2011 :- potential CYGS for fed as djokodal are faultering apart, if not then he wins AO, RG & USO
Slam race :- RF 19 RN 10 ND 8

2012 Rog, 2017 Rafa & 2018 nole in 2012 :- Fed wins AO & Wim, Rafa wins RG, Nole wins USO
Slam race :- RF 21 RN 11 ND 9

2013 Rog, 2018 rafa & 2019 nole in 2013 :- Nole wins AO & Wim, Rafa wins RG & USO
Slam race :- RF 21 RN 13 ND 11

2014 Rog, 2019 rafa & 2020 nole in 2014 :- Nole wins AO & USO, Rafa wins RG, Fed wins Wim
Slam race :- RF 22 RN 14 ND 13

2015 Rog, 2020 rafa & 2021 nole in 2015 :- Nole wins AO, Rafa wins RG, fed wins Wim & uso
Slam race :- RF 24 RN 15 ND 14

Further data not available for testing

The problem with this analysis is that once you change the initial conditions everything else changes. You have Fed winning Wimbledon in 2003 vs 2008 Nadal, for example. But in this scenario Nadal is already a multi slam winner and is the Wimby reigning champ. That changes everything. For all we know that’s enough to stop Fed from ever reaching his full potential. And I can say similar things for Novak

 

[Langwang]

Nadal was an early bloomer and would have benefited from early 2000s weak era, but Djokovic would come out on top with the multiple weak next gens.

 

[BGod]

Fed, he'd lose some from that 2003-2007 period but would make up in 2008-2015 and 2017-2019.

Unsure how it would affect Wawrinka-Safin-Delpo-Murray-Cilic.

 

[Dean Winchester]

Fed, he'd lose some from that 2003-2007 period but would make up in 2008-2015 and 2017-2019.

Unsure how it would affect Wawrinka-Safin-Delpo-Murray-Cilic.

Wawrinka and Murray remained pigeons of Federer despite all their age advantage, so my guess is they will remain pigeons of Nadal as well.

Novak will suffer in 2010s maybe, Stan and Murray will trouble him more since they are younger, or maybe Novak would become so tough in 2000s that he crushes them in 2010s as he is crushing next gen mugs now .....

 

[MadariKatu]

2000 rog, 2005 rafa, 2006 nole in 2000 :- Rafa wins his first RG,
Slam score :- RF 0 RN 1 ND 0

2001 rog, 2006 rafa, 2007 nole in 2001 :- Rafa wins his second RG,
Slam score :- RF 0 RN 2 ND 0

2002 rog, 2007 rafa, 2008 nole in 2002 :- Rafa wins RG & Wimbledon, Nole wins AO (2008 was his 2nd best AO run)
Slam score :- RF 0 RN 4 ND 1

2003 Rog, 2008 rafa, 2009 nole in 2003 :- Rafa wins RG, Fed wins Wimbledon
Slam score :- RF 1 RN 5 ND 1

2004 Rog, 2009 Rafa, 2010 nole in 2004 :- Fed wins AO, Wim & USO, Rafa wins RG (No soderling)
Slam score :- RF 4 RN 6 ND 1

2005 Rog, 2010 Rafa, 2011 nole in 2005 :- Nole wins AO, Rafa wins RG, Fed wins Wim, Fed wins USO
Slam race :- RF 6 RN 7 ND 2

2006 Rog, 2011 Rafa, 2012 nole in 2006 :- Nole wins AO, Fed wins RG WIM & USO.
Slam score :- RF 9 RN 7 ND 3

2007 Rog, 2012 Rafa, 2013 Nole in 2007 :- Fed wins AO, Rafa wins RG, fed wins Wim & uso
Slam score :- RF 12 RN 8 ND 4

2008 rog, 2013 rafa & 2014 nole in 2008 :- Nole wins AO, Nadal wins RG, Fed wins Wim & USO
Slam score :- RF 14 RN 9 ND 5

2009 rog, 2014 rafa & 2015 nole in 2009 :- Fed/Nole wins AO, Nadal wins RG, Fed wins Wim, Fed/Nole wins USO
Slam score :- RF 16 RN 10 ND 6

2010 rog, 2015 rafa & 2016 nole in 2010 :- Nole wins AO, RG, somebody else wins wim & USO as all 3 were sheet
Slam score :- RF 16 RN 10 ND 8

2011 Rog, 2016 rafa & 2017 nole in 2011 :- potential CYGS for fed as djokodal are faultering apart, if not then he wins AO, RG & USO
Slam race :- RF 19 RN 10 ND 8

2012 Rog, 2017 Rafa & 2018 nole in 2012 :- Fed wins AO & Wim, Rafa wins RG, Nole wins USO
Slam race :- RF 21 RN 11 ND 9

2013 Rog, 2018 rafa & 2019 nole in 2013 :- Nole wins AO & Wim, Rafa wins RG & USO
Slam race :- RF 21 RN 13 ND 11

2014 Rog, 2019 rafa & 2020 nole in 2014 :- Nole wins AO & USO, Rafa wins RG, Fed wins Wim
Slam race :- RF 22 RN 14 ND 13

2015 Rog, 2020 rafa & 2021 nole in 2015 :- Nole wins AO, Rafa wins RG, fed wins Wim & uso
Slam race :- RF 24 RN 15 ND 14

Further data not available for testing

Nadal wins 2006 Wimbledon

 

[PilotPete]

The problem with this analysis is that once you change the initial conditions everything else changes. You have Fed winning Wimbledon in 2003 vs 2008 Nadal, for example. But in this scenario Nadal is already a multi slam winner and is the Wimby reigning champ. That changes everything. For all we know that’s enough to stop Fed from ever reaching his full potential. And I can say similar things for Novak

Nadal's 2008 W win was a fluke.

 

[BGod]

I'll give it a crack. Have to remind that for Nadal this means 2005-2011 turns into 2000-2006, 2013 is 2008. Novak 2007-2010 is 2001-2004, 2011-2015 is 2005-2009.

2000: AO-ANDRE, FO-GUGA, WMB-PETE, USO-SAFIN
2001: AO-ANDRE, FO-RAFA, WMB-RAFTER, USO-HEWITT
2002: AO-NOVAK, FO-RAFA, WMB-RAFA, USO-PETE
2003: AO-RAFA, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-NALBY
2004: AO-RAFA, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-NOVAK
2005: AO-SAFIN, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-NOVAK
2006: AO-NOVAK, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2007: AO-FED, FO-NOVAK, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2008: AO-TSONGA, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-RAFA
2009: AO-FED, FO-FED, WMB-RODDICK, USO-FED
2010: AO-NOVAK, FO-SODERLING, WMB-MURRAY, USO-FED
2011: AO-FED, FO-FED, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2012: AO-MURRAY, FO-RAFA, WMB-MURRAY, USO-MURRAY
2013: AO-MURRAY, FO-NOVAK, WMB-MURRAY, USO-STAN
2014: AO-STAN, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-CILIC
2015: AO-STAN, FO-STAN, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2016: AO-FED, FO-MURRAY, WMB-MURRAY, USO-KEI
2017: AO-FED, FO-STAN, WMB-FED, USO-THIEM
2018: AO-FED, FO-THIEM, WMB-FED, USO-THIEM
2019: AO-FED, FO-THIEM, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2020: AO-THIEM, FO-THIEM, USO-THIEM
2021: AO-ZVEREV, FO-TSIT, WMB-SHAP, USO-ZVEREV

Federer: 28
Nadal: 13
Murray: 8
Djokovic: 7
Thiem: 7
Wawrinka: 5

I tried to account for seeding change and some type of mental domino effect. Which is why I for example put Rafter winning 01 Wimbledon as 2006 Nadal would certainly shake the draw up in some way. Same for Nalbandian winning 03 USO as that draw is severely affected and Nalby had a monumental choke plus line call that blew it for him. Now 2006 USO would be a wild ride indeed (11 Nadal, 12 Novak). And I am putting mental fatigue defending titles like Nadal losing in his 2012 form being a 6 time defending champ.

 

[onefineday]

Nadal. I don't think it needs explaining.

 

[Sport]

Nadal's 2008 W win was a fluke.

Cry more please.

 

[Dean Winchester]

I'll give it a crack. Have to remind that for Nadal this means 2005-2011 turns into 2000-2006, 2013 is 2008. Novak 2007-2010 is 2001-2004, 2011-2015 is 2005-2009.

2000: AO-ANDRE, FO-GUGA, WMB-PETE, USO-SAFIN
2001: AO-ANDRE, FO-RAFA, WMB-RAFTER, USO-HEWITT
2002: AO-NOVAK, FO-RAFA, WMB-RAFA, USO-PETE
2003: AO-RAFA, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-NALBY
2004: AO-RAFA, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-NOVAK
2005: AO-SAFIN, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-NOVAK
2006: AO-NOVAK, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2007: AO-FED, FO-NOVAK, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2008: AO-TSONGA, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-RAFA
2009: AO-FED, FO-FED, WMB-RODDICK, USO-FED
2010: AO-NOVAK, FO-SODERLING, WMB-MURRAY, USO-FED
2011: AO-FED, FO-FED, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2012: AO-MURRAY, FO-RAFA, WMB-MURRAY, USO-MURRAY
2013: AO-MURRAY, FO-NOVAK, WMB-MURRAY, USO-STAN
2014: AO-STAN, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-CILIC
2015: AO-STAN, FO-STAN, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2016: AO-FED, FO-MURRAY, WMB-MURRAY, USO-KEI
2017: AO-FED, FO-STAN, WMB-FED, USO-THIEM
2018: AO-FED, FO-THIEM, WMB-FED, USO-THIEM
2019: AO-FED, FO-THIEM, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2020: AO-THIEM, FO-THIEM, USO-THIEM
2021: AO-ZVEREV, FO-TSIT, WMB-SHAP, USO-ZVEREV

Federer: 28
Nadal: 13
Murray: 8
Djokovic: 7
Thiem: 7
Wawrinka: 5

I tried to account for seeding change and some type of mental domino effect. Which is why I for example put Rafter winning 01 Wimbledon as 2006 Nadal would certainly shake the draw up in some way. Same for Nalbandian winning 03 USO as that draw is severely affected and Nalby had a monumental choke plus line call that blew it for him. Now 2006 USO would be a wild ride indeed (11 Nadal, 12 Novak). And I am putting mental fatigue defending titles like Nadal losing in his 2012 form being a 6 time defending champ.

@clayqueen - Your comments on this please

 

[Dean Winchester]

I'll give it a crack. Have to remind that for Nadal this means 2005-2011 turns into 2000-2006, 2013 is 2008. Novak 2007-2010 is 2001-2004, 2011-2015 is 2005-2009.

2000: AO-ANDRE, FO-GUGA, WMB-PETE, USO-SAFIN
2001: AO-ANDRE, FO-RAFA, WMB-RAFTER, USO-HEWITT
2002: AO-NOVAK, FO-RAFA, WMB-RAFA, USO-PETE
2003: AO-RAFA, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-NALBY
2004: AO-RAFA, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-NOVAK
2005: AO-SAFIN, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-NOVAK
2006: AO-NOVAK, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2007: AO-FED, FO-NOVAK, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2008: AO-TSONGA, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-RAFA
2009: AO-FED, FO-FED, WMB-RODDICK, USO-FED
2010: AO-NOVAK, FO-SODERLING, WMB-MURRAY, USO-FED
2011: AO-FED, FO-FED, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2012: AO-MURRAY, FO-RAFA, WMB-MURRAY, USO-MURRAY
2013: AO-MURRAY, FO-NOVAK, WMB-MURRAY, USO-STAN
2014: AO-STAN, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-CILIC
2015: AO-STAN, FO-STAN, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2016: AO-FED, FO-MURRAY, WMB-MURRAY, USO-KEI
2017: AO-FED, FO-STAN, WMB-FED, USO-THIEM
2018: AO-FED, FO-THIEM, WMB-FED, USO-THIEM
2019: AO-FED, FO-THIEM, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2020: AO-THIEM, FO-THIEM, USO-THIEM
2021: AO-ZVEREV, FO-TSIT, WMB-SHAP, USO-ZVEREV

Federer: 28
Nadal: 13
Murray: 8
Djokovic: 7
Thiem: 7
Wawrinka: 5

I tried to account for seeding change and some type of mental domino effect. Which is why I for example put Rafter winning 01 Wimbledon as 2006 Nadal would certainly shake the draw up in some way. Same for Nalbandian winning 03 USO as that draw is severely affected and Nalby had a monumental choke plus line call that blew it for him. Now 2006 USO would be a wild ride indeed (11 Nadal, 12 Novak). And I am putting mental fatigue defending titles like Nadal losing in his 2012 form being a 6 time defending champ.

@BGod - I think you have underestimated Djokovic and over estimated Federer.

Djokovic is the ruler of Australia, his peak level is so high that Federer could take only 1 set off in a few meetings there, Federer was 6 years older but he did better vs Novak at USO because the courts of USO suit Federer unlike Australia. In Aus Nadal beat Federer and that same Nadal tried his best and could not beat Novak in 2012. Federer lost to Safin here, Baggy took set off Federer in the final, yet you give Federer 7 titles in Aus while you gave only 3 to Nole ? .... Does it make sense ????

Also in no world does Federer win 2 French Opens on Clay after 08 while Rafa wins 2 in that same period with Stan who wins 2 ? ..... Rafa on clay will strip these 1 handed backhands like Federer, Stan and parade them naked in France in the final, it would be a bloodbath ..... Rafa's french opens you have cut down and gifted to Federer who could never beat Nadal there, his 1 title is a gift from Soderling

Wimbledons you have gifted to Murray, this clown Murray actually lost 2012 W to Federer and you gifted Murray 2012W, you did not give Novak even 1 slam, it is an insult to logic because Nole made Federer a loser 3 times on Grass, at least 1 or 2 slams Nole will win even in Federer's era

How did Nalby win 2003 USO ??? What happened to Roddick ??? How does Murray win both 2012AO and 2013 AO ???? Djokovic will spank him hard there.

 

[clayqueen]

@clayqueen - Your comments on this please

Federer: 28
Nadal: 13
Murray: 8
Djokovic: 7
Thiem: 7
Wawrinka: 5

 

[TheNachoMan]

Murray: 8
Djokovic: 7
Thiem: 7

ROFLMAO

 

[Anurag Kashyap]

It would be extremely arrogant and ignorant to give an answer.

 

[Dean Winchester]

ROFLMAO

Djokovic who has so much determination and grit has been reduced to mug status, he is in thiem and murray league now

 

[TheNachoMan]

Djokovic who has so much determination and grit has been reduced to mug status, he is in thiem and murray league now

He needs to come back and remind people how good he is…again. People have short memories.

 

[Third Serve]

Are we seeing the return of hypothetical peak Fed in the polls? He hasn't performed as well there lately.

 

[Third Serve]

Djokovic: 7
Thiem: 7

beautiful

 

[helterskelter]

Why isn't "Pete Sampras" a reasonable answer to the OP?

 

[Third Serve]

Why isn't "Pete Sampras" a reasonable answer to the OP?

you're right, Sampras retaining the Slam record could actually still be possible with the Big 3 cutting down on each others' totals. I don't think it's incredibly likely but it's certainly within the realm of possibility

 

[beltsman]

Have to go with fedr

 

[helterskelter]

you're right, Sampras retaining the Slam record could actually still be possible with the Big 3 cutting down on each others' totals. I don't think it's incredibly likely but it's certainly within the realm of possibility

Well, for one thing, it would almost certainly mean that the big 3 era was over by now.

Sure, Nadal and Djokovic might bloom earlier than Federer did, and so the era might start in 2000 or 2001, although it wouldn't be all that easy for them to win as many in their early years as they actually did.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Y’all can keep your hypotheticals, I’ll stick to reality

 

[PilotPete]

Cry more please.

What, you mean as opposed to your choice of disappearing when Nadal lost to Djokovic at FO2021?

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Federer: 28
Nadal: 13
Murray: 8
Djokovic: 7
Thiem: 7
Wawrinka: 5

Nadal injured again?

 

[Third Serve]

Well, for one thing, it would almost certainly mean that the big 3 era was over by now.

Sure, Nadal and Djokovic might bloom earlier than Federer did, and so the era might start in 2000 or 2001, although it wouldn't be all that easy for them to win as many in their early years as they actually did.

I think in such a timeline, the Big 3 era would probably have ended at around 2017 or 2018.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Impossible to know, but something tells me Federer. He was really dominant at THREE slams at his best, which wasn't the case with Nadal and Djokovic. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was Djokovic because of his longevity and consistency or Nadal because he was clearly the most dominant at one slam in particular and he started winning earlier than both.

 

[Dean Winchester]

Why isn't "Pete Sampras" a reasonable answer to the OP?

Sampras's record will break for sure.

Nadal will win 11-12+ Frenchs in any era, with Federer aged same definetly Fed is not going to stop Nadal with his 1HBH and do something which Nole could not with his 2HBH

Also we have longer careers now compared to 90s, no chance of Pete holding the record, instead of it breaking in 6-7 years it would take 13-14 years but it would have in any case.

 

[prosperned]

Impossible to know, but something tells me Federer. He was really dominant at THREE slams at his best, which wasn't the case with Nadal and Djokovic. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was Djokovic because of his longevity and consistency or Nadal because he was clearly the most dominant at one slam in particular and he started winning earlier than both.

Nadal could’ve been if FO and Wimbledon wasn’t so near. Usually meant he got injured around the most important part of the season.

the fact he’s still the only one to win FO, Wimbledon, US open back to back of his era shows how hard it is.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Federer wins a hypothetical boxing match against Prime Tyson. He’s that good.

 

[junior74]

Gluten awareness was low and Egg science just getting started, so Novak would have suffered the most.

 

[Red Rick]

I hope everyone realises how ****ing hilarious the permutations are. You get crap like Nadal probalby winning Wimbledon before Rojer.

I think the answer is likely Nadal.

 

[wang07]

2020: AO-THIEM, FO-THIEM, USO-THIEM
2021: AO-ZVEREV, FO-TSIT, WMB-SHAP, USO-ZVEREV

Now that's just extremely depressing to think about lol

 

[Dean Winchester]

Now that's just extremely depressing to think about lol

Moral CYGS for Thiem

 

[Heliath]

I'll give it a crack. Have to remind that for Nadal this means 2005-2011 turns into 2000-2006, 2013 is 2008. Novak 2007-2010 is 2001-2004, 2011-2015 is 2005-2009.

2000: AO-ANDRE, FO-GUGA, WMB-PETE, USO-SAFIN
2001: AO-ANDRE, FO-RAFA, WMB-RAFTER, USO-HEWITT
2002: AO-NOVAK, FO-RAFA, WMB-RAFA, USO-PETE
2003: AO-RAFA, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-NALBY
2004: AO-RAFA, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-NOVAK
2005: AO-SAFIN, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-NOVAK
2006: AO-NOVAK, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2007: AO-FED, FO-NOVAK, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2008: AO-TSONGA, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-RAFA
2009: AO-FED, FO-FED, WMB-RODDICK, USO-FED
2010: AO-NOVAK, FO-SODERLING, WMB-MURRAY, USO-FED
2011: AO-FED, FO-FED, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2012: AO-MURRAY, FO-RAFA, WMB-MURRAY, USO-MURRAY
2013: AO-MURRAY, FO-NOVAK, WMB-MURRAY, USO-STAN
2014: AO-STAN, FO-RAFA, WMB-FED, USO-CILIC
2015: AO-STAN, FO-STAN, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2016: AO-FED, FO-MURRAY, WMB-MURRAY, USO-KEI
2017: AO-FED, FO-STAN, WMB-FED, USO-THIEM
2018: AO-FED, FO-THIEM, WMB-FED, USO-THIEM
2019: AO-FED, FO-THIEM, WMB-FED, USO-FED
2020: AO-THIEM, FO-THIEM, USO-THIEM
2021: AO-ZVEREV, FO-TSIT, WMB-SHAP, USO-ZVEREV

Federer: 28
Nadal: 13
Murray: 8
Djokovic: 7
Thiem: 7
Wawrinka: 5

I dont know what is more deluded, the CYGS of Federer at 30 years old or Novak not winning a single Wimbledon. Just a reminder than in 2011, Federer lost to Tsonga in Wimbledon.

I like also that you give Federer a win at the Australian Open in 2019 despite that year losing in 4th round to Tsitsipas, I guess, somehow, the result would be different if Nadal and Djokovic, two players that werent in that game, had different ages. Same with the US Open that same year, Federer lost to Dimitrov in the QF, why would he win against Dimitrov if Nadal and Djokovic had been older?

Nice touch giving the 2016 US Open to Nishikori, quite hilarious. I guess Wawrinka had a stroke that tournament in the alternative reality you imagined.

 

[ibbi]

2000 (05 Nadal, 06 Djokovic): Guga went 5 sets with John Charles and Kafelnikov, no way he's beating Nadal.
0-1-0

2001 (06 Nadal, 07 Djokovic): Guga probably better this year, but so is Nadal.
0-2-0

2002 (07 Nadal, 08 Djokovic): Novak obviously takes Oz, Rafa obviously takes Paris. Wimbledon is the interesting one. Conditions that year obviously starting to much better suit baseliners, and if 07 Nadal could take Federer 5 without a day off in the second week I like his chances here. Petros still taking New York.
0-4-1

2003 (08 Nadal, 09 Djokovic): Despite the absence of anyone resembling Tsonga, and in spite of Andre's historically bad draw, I would probably still give Australia to the AA. Roland Garros is pretty undeniable, and very much like Roger's chances at Wimbledon. US Open could be very interesting for Novak, but I still like Roddick's chances on account of I don't think all that much of the Roger that Novak played pretty close in 09.
1-5-1

2004 (09 Nadal, 10 Djokovic): Well, Federer still taking the last two, but Australia could be interesting. Surface not slow as molasses so don't think Rafa stands much chance against a Roger 5 years the junior of the dude he beat. Shame Roger's last bad clay year runs into Nadal's one hiccup year
4-5-1

2005 (10 Nadal, 11 Djokovic): Niiiiiiiiiice. Novak for Australia, Nadal for Roland Garros, Federer for Wimbledon and US Open got to be Federer too, I think. He'd certainly beat that Novak, it's just a question of how much the bad matchup with Rafa bothers him on the 2005 courts. I give him the edge. This would be an epic year.
6-6-2

2006 (11 Nadal, 12 Djokovic): Got to be Djokovic in Australia, probably still Nadal in Paris, Federer again for the last two.
8-7-3

2007 (12 Nadal, 13 Djokovic): Federer, Nadal, Federer, Federer.
11-8-3

2008 (13 Nadal, 14 Djokovic): Okay, Australia is interesting... I think it's got to be Novak. Nadal on the dirt, Wimbledon could be a pretty epic Novak and Roger final, but I like 08 Rog's chances considering how close '14 Roger made it. US Open is Fed.
13-9-4

2009 (14 Nadal, 15 Djokovic): Djokovic down under, Nadal takes care of that Fed in Paris, Djokovic to win Wimbledon and US Open would be super interesting... Depends on the draw, I guess, but I think I probably am going with Djokovic regardless of where Del Potro falls. Probably.
13-10-7

2010 (15 Nadal, 16 Djokovic): Djokovic and Federer in Australia would be close... I'll give Djoko the benefit of the doubt based purely on the fact that he's trailing here. 2016 Novak is still winning Roland Garros, I think Federer probably takes the title in New York and as for Wimbledon... Berdych, right?
14-10-9

2011 (16 Nadal, 17 Djokovic): Federer in Australia, Federer in Roland Garros, Federer in New York, and...I think we're getting an epic Murray-Tsonga Wimbledon final, and Jo probably wets the bed and lets Muzz get away with one.
17-10-9

2012 (17 Nadal, 18 Djokovic): Nadal in Paris, Federer on the grass, Novak in New York... Probably. Australia is very interesting... I think it's probably Roger, right?
19-11-10

2013 (18 Nadal, 19 Djokovic): Djokovic in Australia, Nadal in Paris. Wimbledon is close because Djokovic really was pretty unconvincing that year, and between 18 Nadal (2013 Wimbledon was, much like 2018, very very sunny) and Sir Andy? I mean to me it's either Nadal or Murray. I look at the effort it took to take Nadal out of that years Wimbledon, and I don't know that even in his mid-20s Murray was capable of that? He almost lost to Verdasco this year ffs. Actually, it might be god damn Del Potro given how close his 2018 self played Nadal, I'm liking the 2013 versions chances of beating him. Probably Stan in New York?
19-12-11

2014 (19 Nadal, 20 Djokovic): Stan takes Australia, Rafa takes Paris, '20 Djokovic at Wimbledon is a myth so we'll go with Roger there, and Nadal in New York.
20-14-11

2015 (20 Nadal, 21 Djokovic): Got to be Sir Andy in Australia? Him or Stan. Nadal takes Paris no sweat, Federer for Wimbledon, and probably New York too.
22-15-11

2016 (21 Nadal, 22 Djokovic): Well, Djokovic is getting deported without there even being a pandemic on, so Andy is winning in Australia Not really fair to go any further than that because future versions of Djokovic don't exist yet.

Federer - 22 - 4/1/9/8
Nadal - 15 - 0/13/1/1
Djokovic - 11 - 7/1/1/2

Comes out very differently to how I picked it based on them all being born in '86