Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by luvforty, Apr 9, 2013.
Along with every other 1hander that came before or after him...
I have no idea what you're talking about. I find it easier to hit 1HBH from the baseline than 2HBH because the 1HBH is hit so much further out in front and is easier to hit low balls so it's easy to hit the ball on the rise by basically half-volleying the ball. Decent 1HBH players do this all day long.
The same thing that Nadal does to just about every right-handed player, regardless if they have a 1HBH or 2HBH.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know how to hit a proper 1HBH.
Really? Then how did the player that has won way more Slams than even Federer and Sampras win 22 Slams by slicing every backhand? (Steffi Graf). And how did Ken Rosewall win all those Slams and become the best player in the world by slicing every backhand?
I don't think I've ever seen a 2HBH player chip and charge off of the backhand.
I've already reported one of his threads, the useless can a 4.5 beat Fed playing left handed. This is another waste of space and bandwidth.
Some people can't hit a ball above their waist and therefore feel like they have to hit the ball on-the-rise. A better solution might be to learn how to hit higher balls.
Yeah. Bad 1hbhs are worse than bad 2hbhs.
People should report this guy luv40 dozu as a troll. Dozu was banned and now back as luv40. All he does is troll. I've reported him already for trolling.
arche3 - so I exposed you as one who talks a big game but doesn't have the balls to show it against me... and you are gonna tell the teacher... you in 3rd grade?
balla - which is more useless thread? 4.5 v fed leftie, or 0 to 5.0 in 1 year?
it's a legit discussion - 1hb needs more time, further from the baseline, more exposed to drop shots... which part of this is so hard to understand.
and to everyone else who says - "hey i can defend baseline just fine" or "lookie, this pro takes the ball early" - you are arguing individual data points against a general theory.
Your such a loser. So because I won't bother playing tennis with you your so butt hurt you have to talk like your the rocky balboa of rec tennis? There is no prize in park tennis you idiot. You don't win anything. How about getting some self respect and stop the trolling. I've never spouted coaching advice on here like you who thinks your an expert amd call people names when people disagree. If I see your idiotic posts I will call you on it.
There is a reason you were banned before and it is because your a troll.
Multiple members have challenged your flawed assumption in this thread yet your rebutal is meat and potatoes and name calling.
Yes I reported you again because of your trolling behavior. Deal with it.
While your at it. Why don't you call up uncle toni and challenge rafa to a match? I'm sure rafa would waste his time and accept a challenge from a hack like you.
"wont bother" and "chicken out" are 2 different things... anyway, lets table that for now.
want to do a count of name calling? you have me beat by ratio of 10:1
and you put down fellow posters like you are some authority here.
Sure. I chickened out. Your the man. Do you even see how stupid this sounds?
I call you names because you deserve it. And because its true. Sorry buddy your a troll loser. I d io t. Slow enough for you?
I am an authority on loser trolls like you. Find posts where I put down normal posters. I only rebute trolls acting like they are the high all mighty?
I'm off to work. Then some tennis late this afternoon. Ill check on the mental state of you dozu later tonight. While I'm gone answer some of the comments here besides meat and potatoes. Lmao.
Notice no one agrees with you? Maybe challenge everybody to a tennis match. Thats the answer.
arche3 - so your thinking process is - if you think it's troll, you will call names.
it's called a dog chasing it's own tail.
Nope. Just you.
No, Fed is much more susceptible to the BH attack, and Nadal goes after that wing shamelessly. You know that, everyone has written about it, there is no chance of disagreement here. We also know how much Fed worked to improve his BH because of that, and still came short.
Not legit. Most one handers play the same distance if not closer in than two handed players.
If anything, the one hander has an advantage on hitting the drop-shot as it's easier to disguise than with the two hander.
Funny, those data points are facts that show that your "general theory" is horribly wrong.
The "facts" show that most pros use a 2 handed BH (most men, almost all the women).
Navratilova said it is a safer bet. And she is one of the most well-known one handers, and no, she is not obsolete because she played Chrissie all her life who had a 2 hander and she knows what it can do.
Isner said he prefers it for stability on return of serve.
These are the facts.
But it's also a fact that one handed park players do not play 8ft behind the baseline.
It's also a fact that one handed backhanded players can and do take the ball on the rise.
interesting that after i started this thread, i noticed The Meat is trying to make a life or death decision in his thread...
ok, so rec 1hb don't play 8 ft behind, but the point is they are still pushed further back than the 2hbs are.
the tennis court is the same size for the recs and the pros - but in relative terms to their coverage ability, the court is much bigger to the recs, which means they can't afford to back up.
(to a less extent, the court is bigger to the WTA girls than to the ATP guys, which explains why flat ball draw first blood tennis works in WTA)
One the rec level one handers aren't being backed up any more than two handers. One the rec level, the depth of ball generally doesn't require you to play very deep. Where a rec player plays generally has more to do with their style of play - defensive vs. Attacking/All-court.
Rec players have a very wide range of athletic ability. Having a one hander or two hander has no impact on their ability to cover the court. The faster grinders tend to play father back anyway and still manage to win regardless of their backhand swing style.
How can one become PARK GOAT without OHBH?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjCBUG6SI_o looks on the rise to me
The pros have mostly moved away from the 2 hander.
What else is left to say?
Not the subject of the OP. Statements in the OP post are wrong. That's what's left to say.
This statement in OP is absolutely true:
no 1hb can hit rising balls consistently standing 2ft behind the line, not the guys i have seen in real life
It is also true that players of the same level with a 2 handed BH can do this. That is the key difference and only thing that matters here.
Depends on the level. I see 4.0-4.5 guys with good 1HBH that hit topspin on the rise all the time. 3.0-4.0 guys with not so good BHs just slice them on the rise.
But saying the 1HBH is not suited for rec level tennis is ridiculous considering how many people use it and are successful with it at every NTRP level. Are 2HBH better than 1HBH at rec level? - yes in general mostly because there are so many bad 1 HBH at the 3.0 and 3.5 levels.
Then the OP hasn't seen many people play tennis...
Not even close to true.
If this was an absolute no single backhand player at any level would win, ever.... it would be shot to the backhand - point over, but we know that's not what happens.
You contradict yourself. About 70% of rec players are 3.5 and below (USTA stats). So your second sentence just supports the claim that OP is making.
There is no "bad" 1 HBH at the 3.5 level in the sense that there is no "good" 2 HBH either. As you say, it is a matter of one being worse than the other. If this is true for 70% of rec players, it proves the case that it is an inferior choice. Saying that the 1 HBH players can improve their stroke makes no sense because that is true for any stroke and is valid advice for anybody.
luvforty shines again.
The player could win based on other factors like forehand and serve, like how Fed could sometimes beat Nadal.
Being able to hang in any point vs Nadal requires Fed to consistently hit backhands on the rise fairly close the to baseline. According the the OP, no one hander is able to do this.
When someone posts a line of reasoning like this it is not even worth debating.
I hit my 1 handed backhand all day long from the baseline, off the bounce. Only when I am pushed back on my heels and very late do I basically chop swing a 2 hander to stay in the point and try to get it deep and cross court.
At 6 foot 2, i realize that most "rec players" don't hit enough depth most of the time to push me any deeper than a yard beyond the baseline, and most of the time, i have to bend low to get a crappy short ball. So, the shot of choice is a one handed backhand, vs 2 hands which is much harder to bend and strike a lower/shorter ball. Also, i get more reach out wide and again low.
Practice to incorporate your core muscles instead of just arm swinging like most rec players, and you will start to appreciate the one hander. Or, just arm swing like everybody else and develop a two hander, because the fact of using two hands pretty much forces you to use some core to execute.
Oh, and I also agree with LeeD about using the wall to develop your timing and stroke. The ball comes back so fast at you off a wall you have to prepare properly or will be late.
Federer has beaten Nadal even on clay several times. How many other players, whether 1HBH or 2HBH, have beaten Nadal on clay several times? Nadal goes after EVERYBODY'S backhand.
The "facts" show that almost everyone on this board is NOT a pro and don't play against other pros.
He beat him with his serve, forehand and net play, in spite of his BH.
You mean the same way that Nadal beats Federer?
Whenever Nadal plays Federer, he hits every single serve and groundstroke to Federer's backhand. We've all witnessed this a million times. According to you, Nadal should win just about every point because Federer's 1HBH is so weak. So how has Federer managed to beat Nadal 10 times with such a weak backhand that Nadal attacks incessantly?
isn't this thread about park tennis
So arriving back to this thread. Dozu has left it for suresh to defend his post. Even dozu admits his op was stupid and wrong. Numerous members claim dozu and suresh are clueless. This about sums it up.
OK go hit your 1 hander in a stylish and elegant manner and lose to a 3.0 2 hander all the time if you want.
But why do they keep walking into my bakery shop all the time? I bet it's because it's so stylish and elegant.
Too funny, just got this email from stringforum.
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Definitely worth checking out if you hit a one-handed backhand!
True! LOL. (10 char)
My personal opinion is that a 2hbh is far superior to a 1hbh. I see no weakness in it if taught right. I wish I stuck with a 2hbh instead of switching as a kid.
That being said. Dozu is so far off in his op post he even admitted it. He then tries to make it seem like his real meaning is 1hbh is harder.
You should consider your ttw alliance with dozu makes your ttw mojo much weaker. He is like the class clown who thinks he is smart. And your actually playing the part of his henchman.
Dozu better get over there and set him straight. Maybe suresh will go in his stead. Ever the loyal vassal to luv40. Aka dozu. Aka ditzu.
I bet that's why we haven't heard from him since he got thoroughly owned here. He's out setting Florian Meier straight.
Hmm....so you deleted the link to avoid advertising but left the URL in the post?
So once again you posted all your comments even though you don't believe in them yourself. This is like the Nth time you have done that.
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