I AM Ticked OFF!!!! Monfils

RodSmooth

RodSmooth

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Monfils's Career is ticking me off.

Even though he will be easily in the top 100 by the end of the year, he needs a couple of masters and Slams.

I cant take this anymore, hardly any titles, always losing to less gifted players year after year.(Nadal aka PED,Murray,Gasquet,Tsonga,Lance,etc.)

Career Record:: W253-154L / It should easily be W380-26L . He has to much Natural Talent and Superior Genetics.

Only has 4 Career Titles. He should Easily have 50+ including Masters and GS's.

Ever since Orange bowl in 2003, ive been committed as a fan, and he continues to let me down.

All the Nervous Pee brekas during matches, All the stressing in tight moments, all the C'mons and "ALLESSS", all the mile sprints i did after a Match win...

Im tired of restringing my Liquid Metal Prestige 2004 and re-gripping my racket before i watch every time you play. Its a waste of string Jobs if you keep losing to lesser players.

Im not going to take anymore of this. This guy is Clowning around with my emotions. I dont know what i might do if he dosent win the 20+ Grandslams he should Win. Im tempted to rip down my Monfils posters if this continues.


NOW... WTF is this
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WHat happened to the locks of Death? Does he not look better with locks.

He needs to stop listing to these coaches, telling him to loose muscle mass.

He played better with Size on him.
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Hes the best player to hit the court, He just hasnt unleashed his full potential.

He's like Gohan He needs the Grand Kai to Unleash his potential.

And that grand Kai is.......
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Monfils needs to get Back with this 10/10 with the perfect bottom.
She is the Grand Kai, to this situation.

If you guys disagree then you have no knowledge of Monfils's True Potential and Destiny...

Thats all i have to say
 
sdont

sdont

Legend
Props to you, Rod, you brought a smile to my face with this thread in these depressing times for a Gael fan.

Did you see his FH winner on MP against Volandri? That's what I want to see more often.
 
RodSmooth

RodSmooth

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sdont said:
Props to you, Rod, you brought a smile to my face with this thread in these depressing times for a Gael fan.

Did you see his FH winner on MP against Volandri? That's what I want to see more often.
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lol thank you man.

No i didnt see that shot you speak of, i do know he can bomb forehands win he unleashes
 
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Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
Monfils' will reach his true potential and destiny when he becomes a break-dancer on the streets of Paris.
 
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asusundevils1971

asusundevils1971

Rookie
Sid_Vicious said:
Monfils' will reach his true potential and destiny when he becomes a break-dancer on the streets of Paris.
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He can't be a break dancer on the streets of Paris.. He would get injured and wouldn't make any money. I am sure there will be a club that would like a washed up pro to teach juniors..
 
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merwy

G.O.A.T.
I don't know man, everyone's talking like Monfils is some kind of huge underachievers who could have won multiple slams if he got his head straight. I think he's the most overrated player together with Isner.

I mean, what has Monfils ever done? He dives like a freaking idiot on a hardcourt and makes weird shots. That's all he does. Yes, he's very athletic and fast. So what? Is that what makes someone good at tennis? No, playing tennis well makes you good at tennis. Good technique, good shotmaking, good footwork. And athleticism helps obviously, but does not make a good player.
 
RodSmooth

RodSmooth

Professional
merwy said:
I don't know man, everyone's talking like Monfils is some kind of huge underachievers who could have won multiple slams if he got his head straight. I think he's the most overrated player together with Isner.

I mean, what has Monfils ever done? He dives like a freaking idiot on a hardcourt and makes weird shots. That's all he does. Yes, he's very athletic and fast. So what? Is that what makes someone good at tennis? No, playing tennis well makes you good at tennis. Good technique, good shotmaking, good footwork. And athleticism helps obviously, but does not make a good player.
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"good technique, good footwork" ....... That's how I know, you don't know what your talking about.
 
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jhhachamp

Hall of Fame
RodSmooth said:
Monfils's Career is ticking me off.

Even though he will be easily in the top 100 by the end of the year, he needs a couple of masters and Slams.

I cant take this anymore, hardly any titles, always losing to less gifted players year after year.(Nadal aka PED,Murray,Gasquet,Tsonga,Lance,etc.)

Career Record:: W253-154L / It should easily be W380-26L . He has to much Natural Talent and Superior Genetics.

Only has 4 Career Titles. He should Easily have 50+ including Masters and GS's.

Ever since Orange bowl in 2003, ive been committed as a fan, and he continues to let me down.

All the Nervous Pee brekas during matches, All the stressing in tight moments, all the C'mons and "ALLESSS", all the mile sprints i did after a Match win...

Im tired of restringing my Liquid Metal Prestige 2004 and re-gripping my racket before i watch every time you play. Its a waste of string Jobs if you keep losing to lesser players.

Im not going to take anymore of this. This guy is Clowning around with my emotions. I dont know what i might do if he dosent win the 20+ Grandslams he should Win. Im tempted to rip down my Monfils posters if this continues.


NOW... WTF is this
2jfyf7.jpg

WHat happened to the locks of Death? Does he not look better with locks.

He needs to stop listing to these coaches, telling him to loose muscle mass.

He played better with Size on him.
f5jr8.jpg

10r7j9d.jpg


Hes the best player to hit the court, He just hasnt unleashed his full potential.

He's like Gohan He needs the Grand Kai to Unleash his potential.

And that grand Kai is.......
23mwo7s.jpg

Monfils needs to get Back with this 10/10 with the perfect bottom.
She is the Grand Kai, to this situation.

If you guys disagree then you have no knowledge of Monfils's True Potential and Destiny...

Thats all i have to say
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Unfortunately for you and Monfils, athletic ability is much less important than technical skill in tennis. It is probably about 80% technical skill and 20% athletic ability. Monfils is a great athlete compared to the average tennis player, but not compared to top track and field athletes or basketball/soccer/football players. If athletic ability was all it took to dominate tennis, then someone like Bo Jackson would be the greatest of all time.

Monfils has weak technical skills compared to most other top 50 players. He was never going to have a career win/loss record of 380-26 or 50+ tournament wins. I could see him doing a bit better than he has (especially recently), like maybe a Masters Series or two, or a slam semi or final, but I don't think it is fair to say he has been a total underachiever based solely on his athletic ability. I honestly can't see him consistently beating anyone in the top 7 right now, even at his peak level.
 
sdont

sdont

Legend
Steve Dykstra said:
Monfils has weak technical skills compared to most other top 50 players. He was never going to have a career win/loss record of 380-26 or 50+ tournament wins. I could see him doing a bit better than he has (especially recently), like maybe a Masters Series or two, or a slam semi or final, but I don't think it is fair to say he has been a total underachiever based solely on his athletic ability. I honestly can't see him consistently beating anyone in the top 7 right now, even at his peak level.
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Yep, that's why he's able to hit 3, 4 or 5 aces in a row sometimes.

Please enlighten us about all his technical flaws. Except from the BH side, I don't see what you're talking about.
 
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NLBwell

Legend
I can't stand to watch Monfils. He has great talent, ball-striking skills, and athleticism. Someone I would normally love to watch play. At times, I do love to watch him play, but when I watch him for a while, I just get so frustrated about his strategy and tactics I can't stand to watch any more.
 
mightyrick

mightyrick

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It actually isn't his fault. Like a lot of other failed tennis players... he has athletic skills... but no mental ability to compete. All he wants to do is jump around like an idiot, hoot and yell, and hit a winner or two against the best in the world. It makes him feel good.

After each match, I'm sure he tells himself... "If I really wanted to win, I could. These guys are nothing."

He's just a mental midget. Like a lot of the other failures. Nothing to see here.

In 20 years, he'll sit around talking about some of the winners he hit against some of the top pros in the world. And that will be all he talks about.
 
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jhhachamp

Hall of Fame
sdont said:
Yep, that's why he's able to hit 3, 4 or 5 aces in a row sometimes.

Please enlighten us about all his technical flaws. Except from the BH side, I don't see what you're talking about.
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He has a great first serve, but the rest of his game is erratic and inconsistent because his strokes are not as technically sound as other top players. He can his his forehand great at times, but he cannot sustain it. Inconsistency is a sign of weak technical skills.

For his career he has won less than 50% of points on his second serve.
 
RodSmooth

RodSmooth

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Steve Dykstra said:
Unfortunately for you and Monfils, athletic ability is much less important than technical skill in tennis. It is probably about 80% technical skill and 20% athletic ability. Monfils is a great athlete compared to the average tennis player, but not compared to top track and field athletes or basketball/soccer/football players. If athletic ability was all it took to dominate tennis, then someone like Bo Jackson would be the greatest of all time.

Monfils has weak technical skills compared to most other top 50 players. He was never going to have a career win/loss record of 380-26 or 50+ tournament wins. I could see him doing a bit better than he has (especially recently), like maybe a Masters Series or two, or a slam semi or final, but I don't think it is fair to say he has been a total underachiever based solely on his athletic ability. I honestly can't see him consistently beating anyone in the top 7 right now, even at his peak level.
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He never reached his peak clearly, it's clear in 2010 and 2011 when he had his best results he was only at 1/4 of his potential.
 
RodSmooth

RodSmooth

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sdont said:
Yep, that's why he's able to hit 3, 4 or 5 aces in a row sometimes.

Please enlighten us about all his technical flaws. Except from the BH side, I don't see what you're talking about.
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Exactly

That's what I'm saying. His technique is good.

Everyone has diff technique, if people use the technique logic, then nadal wouldn't even be in the top 500, he has reverse technique on both sides.

Technique dosent matter when u get to a certain level in the game
 
RodSmooth

RodSmooth

Professional
mightyrick said:
It actually isn't his fault. Like a lot of other failed tennis players... he has athletic skills... but no mental ability to compete. All he wants to do is jump around like an idiot, hoot and yell, and hit a winner or two against the best in the world. It makes him feel good.

After each match, I'm sure he tells himself... "If I really wanted to win, I could. These guys are nothing."

He's just a mental midget. Like a lot of the other failures. Nothing to see here.

In 20 years, he'll sit around talking about some of the winners he hit against some of the top pros in the world. And that will be all he talks about.
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Your acting like he has done nothing, he's one ATP titles and career high of 6, will have at least 7 figures in the bank when he retires, beat federer and other greats... His career is better then 99% of players on tour... I Dnt see ur point
 
mightyrick

mightyrick

Legend
RodSmooth said:
Your acting like he has done nothing, he's one ATP titles and career high of 6, will have at least 7 figures in the bank when he retires, beat federer and other greats... His career is better then 99% of players on tour... I Dnt see ur point
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He'll make some money, that's for sure. But that's all he's going to do in tennis... make a little coin.
 
sdont

sdont

Legend
Steve Dykstra said:
He has a great first serve, but the rest of his game is erratic and inconsistent because his strokes are not as technically sound as other top players. He can his his forehand great at times, but he cannot sustain it. Inconsistency is a sign of weak technical skills.

For his career he has won less than 50% of points on his second serve.
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You talked about top 50 players. He's consistent enough to beat Ferrer in RG. And to reach #6 in the rankings.

His inconsistency is mainly mental. And physical, especially considering his history of injuries.

He's probably just not comitted enough. He admits to being a bit lazy. It reflects on his game.

But I don't agree about his technical skills.
 
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jhhachamp

Hall of Fame
sdont said:
You talked about top 50 players. He's consistent enough to beat Ferrer in RG. And to reach #6 in the rankings.
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His matches against Ferrer are probably among the most impressive of his career, but they are only a few matches.

Check out his record against Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray. There is a huge talent gap between those guys and a guy like Monfils, and it shows in the head to heads. To be fair, I think those guys outclass just about everyone else by a wide margin as well, so it should not really reflect negatively on Monfils. But I think it is ridiculous to suggest that Monfils is as talented or more talented than those players.

The one player that I think is close to as talented as the top 4 players is Del Potro. Del Potro, unlike Monfils, has actually had moments where he has blown the top players off the court and shown that he had the talent to compete with and beat those players at their best.

Monfils has never dominated the game in that way before. If he was as talented as you claim, he would have at least had some matches where he was locked in and playing his best, where he blew a prime Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, or Murray (not on clay) off the court. A couple wins against Ferrer, while great in their own way, do not back up your claim that he is as talented or more talented than anyone.
 
sdont

sdont

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Steve Dykstra said:
His matches against Ferrer are probably among the most impressive of his career, but they are only a few matches.

Check out his record against Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray. There is a huge talent gap between those guys and a guy like Monfils, and it shows in the head to heads. To be fair, I think those guys outclass just about everyone else by a wide margin as well, so it should not really reflect negatively on Monfils. But I think it is ridiculous to suggest that Monfils is as talented or more talented than those players.

The one player that I think is close to as talented as the top 4 players is Del Potro. Del Potro, unlike Monfils, has actually had moments where he has blown the top players off the court and shown that he had the talent to compete with and beat those players at their best.

Monfils has never dominated the game in that way before. If he was as talented as you claim, he would have at least had some matches where he was locked in and playing his best, where he blew a prime Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, or Murray (not on clay) off the court. A couple wins against Ferrer, while great in their own way, do not back up your claim that he is as talented or more talented than anyone.
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I didn't claim anything. As I already said, you were the one to claim he has "weak technical skills compared to most top 50 players." I reacted to that. Now you change your tune.

About Ferrer, once again, it was a reaction to your claim that inconsistency in strokes is an indication of weak technical skills. It wasn't to back up any claim from my part.

Now, you bring up the talent card. It's interesting that the new criterion is not consistency anymore, but rather the capacity to play one's best tennis against the very top players and "blow them off the court". Totally different proposition, isn't it? Oh yeah, so many top 50 players with OK technical skills are able to do that.

May I suggest that you look into Monfils-Nadal matches in Doha?
 
stringertom

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Monfils is a train wreck waiting to happen, whether it's due to the psychological or physiological difficulties he always encounters. It's a shame he hasn't lived up to the enormous potential he exhibited as a junior. He is one of the missing cogs the game needs to keep the chain moving from the current plus-30 crew to the soft underbelly of the current early-20's pool. He is AWOL due to persistent injuries both above and below the shoulders.
 
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jhhachamp

Hall of Fame
sdont said:
I didn't claim anything. As I already said, you were the one to claim he has "weak technical skills compared to most top 50 players." I reacted to that. Now you change your tune.

About Ferrer, once again, it was a reaction to your claim that inconsistency in strokes is an indication of weak technical skills. It wasn't to back up any claim from my part.

Now, you bring up the talent card. It's interesting that the new criterion is not consistency anymore, but rather the capacity to play one's best tennis against the very top players and "blow them off the court". Totally different proposition, isn't it? Oh yeah, so many top 50 players with OK technical skills are able to do that.

May I suggest that you look into Monfils-Nadal matches in Doha?
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The whole point of the thread is that the OP thinks that Monfils is the most talented player in the world and should have a won 50 titles and have a better won loss percentage than Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, or Murray.

The main point that I wanted to make in response is that I feel that this is a ridiculous claim and that Monfils has nowhere near that level of talent in him.

I do feel that Monfils technical skills are weak compared to many top 50 players, but his superior athleticism allows him to make up for that. To me, he is a grinder whose strokes break down too often under pressure. This is clearly not something you agree with, so it isn't really worth me trying to prove it to you. It's just my opinion.

As far as a couple wins against Nadal...look at the big picture. He has two wins against 8 losses vs. Nadal. His two wins were at a 250 level tournament. Check out their only match in a grand slam, the US Open in 2009. He was ranked near his career high and reached the R16, so he was playing well. Despite this, he got completely blown off the court by Nadal on his worst surface.
 
RodSmooth

RodSmooth

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Steve Dykstra said:
The whole point of the thread is that the OP thinks that Monfils is the most talented player in the world and should have a won 50 titles and have a better won loss percentage than Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, or Murray.

The main point that I wanted to make in response is that I feel that this is a ridiculous claim and that Monfils has nowhere near that level of talent in him.

I do feel that Monfils technical skills are weak compared to many top 50 players, but his superior athleticism allows him to make up for that. To me, he is a grinder whose strokes break down too often under pressure. This is clearly not something you agree with, so it isn't really worth me trying to prove it to you. It's just my opinion.

As far as a couple wins against Nadal...look at the big picture. He has two wins against 8 losses vs. Nadal. His two wins were at a 250 level tournament. Check out their only match in a grand slam, the US Open in 2009. He was ranked near his career high and reached the R16, so he was playing well. Despite this, he got completely blown off the court by Nadal on his worst surface.
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So since he's not that talented and gifted name players, that are more talented and gifted...
 
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jhhachamp

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RodSmooth said:
So since he's not that talented and gifted name players, that are more talented and gifted...
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Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, and Del Potro are all much more talented than Monfils. There is really quite a steep talent drop off after those guys, but I would also put Tsonga and Berdych ahead of him.
 
romeo8880

romeo8880

G.O.A.T.
Monfils has/had the ability to have a better career than the last 3 u listed IMO. When he's healthy and playing well he's a treat to watch.
 
sdont

sdont

Legend
Gael showed his weak technical skills yesterday by blowing Melzer off the court.

Rod, you should try and watch a replay/highlights if you can, it was a fine performance from Gael.
 
sdont

sdont

Legend
Steve Dykstra said:
The whole point of the thread is that the OP thinks that Monfils is the most talented player in the world and should have a won 50 titles and have a better won loss percentage than Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, or Murray.

The main point that I wanted to make in response is that I feel that this is a ridiculous claim and that Monfils has nowhere near that level of talent in him.

I do feel that Monfils technical skills are weak compared to many top 50 players, but his superior athleticism allows him to make up for that. To me, he is a grinder whose strokes break down too often under pressure. This is clearly not something you agree with, so it isn't really worth me trying to prove it to you. It's just my opinion.

As far as a couple wins against Nadal...look at the big picture. He has two wins against 8 losses vs. Nadal. His two wins were at a 250 level tournament. Check out their only match in a grand slam, the US Open in 2009. He was ranked near his career high and reached the R16, so he was playing well. Despite this, he got completely blown off the court by Nadal on his worst surface.
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Actually, you're proving my point with the bolded sentence. Is breaking down under pressure the result of weak technical skills?

Regarding his matches against Nadal, what in your opinion is the difference between a GS match and a match in a 250 tournament? The physical part, the mental aspect, or the required level of technical skills?
 
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Tcbtennis

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A few years ago at the Miami Masters I watched Monfils and James Blake play a practice set. It was so cool. Two of the best athletes blasting balls and showing off their great athletic skills. Then later that day Monfils played Marat Safin in a real match on the grandstand. Monfils was at least 15 feet behind the baseline retrieving balls and pushing them back. It was awful to watch. So every time I watch him play I always have the way he played that practice set in the back of my mind. I know what level of play he is capable of.

Yesterday against Melzer, Monfils played awesomely. He served great. He was aggressive. He came to the net as often as he could. He has to play like this all the time. His athleticism is off the charts. If he can maintain the aggressive mindset and fight against playing like Gilles Simon, he can work his way back to the Top 10.
 
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Rob31

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Tcbtennis said:
A few years ago at the Miami Masters I watched Monfils and James Blake play a practice set. It was so cool. Two of the best athletes blasting balls and showing off their great athletic skills. Then later that day Monfils played Marat Safin in a real match on the grandstand. Monfils was at least 15 feet behind the baseline retrieving balls and pushing them back. It was awful to watch. So every time I watch him play I always have the way he played that practice set in the back of my mind. I know what level of play he is capable of.

Yesterday against Melzer, Monfils played awesomely. He served great. He was aggressive. He came to the net as often as he could. He has to play like this all the time. His athleticism is off the charts. If he can maintain the aggressive mindset and fight against playing like Gilles Simon, he can work his way back to the Top 10.
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"and fight against playing like Gilles Simon"
Idiotic comment.
And G.Simon was the more aggressive player in their encounter in the Australian Open in the first two sets, after that, it was a complete mess...
Otherwise, Highlights of Del Potro-Simon in Marseille, one of his good days where he serves better and plays more offensive tennis:
http://youtu.be/NB9ONOL5hKk
Stats at 13:20:
http://youtu.be/_slPzLyx1J0

Match vs Brands in Bucharest:
http://youtu.be/V9ECklnGXXk
 
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Rob31

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Steve Dykstra said:
His matches against Ferrer are probably among the most impressive of his career, but they are only a few matches.

Check out his record against Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray. There is a huge talent gap between those guys and a guy like Monfils, and it shows in the head to heads. To be fair, I think those guys outclass just about everyone else by a wide margin as well, so it should not really reflect negatively on Monfils. But I think it is ridiculous to suggest that Monfils is as talented or more talented than those players.

The one player that I think is close to as talented as the top 4 players is Del Potro. Del Potro, unlike Monfils, has actually had moments where he has blown the top players off the court and shown that he had the talent to compete with and beat those players at their best.

Monfils has never dominated the game in that way before. If he was as talented as you claim, he would have at least had some matches where he was locked in and playing his best, where he blew a prime Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, or Murray (not on clay) off the court. A couple wins against Ferrer, while great in their own way, do not back up your claim that he is as talented or more talented than anyone.
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Good and fair analysis (and i appreciate La Monf).
 
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jhhachamp

Hall of Fame
sdont said:
Actually, you're proving my point with the bolded sentence. Is breaking down under pressure the result of weak technical skills?

Regarding his matches against Nadal, what in your opinion is the difference between a GS match and a match in a 250 tournament? The physical part, the mental aspect, or the required level of technical skills?
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I think that they do break down under pressure due to weaker technical skills. It is one thing to look great and blow a journeyman like Melzer off the court, but another thing entirely when every ball coming at you is out of your comfort zone.

It is much easier to beat a top player at a small tournament. Top players typically are honing their games at the smaller tournaments preparing for the grand slams, so that they are playing their best when it counts. It is much harder to beat a top player at a slam than a 250 tournament.
 
RodSmooth

RodSmooth

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sdont said:
Gael showed his weak technical skills yesterday by blowing Melzer off the court.

Rod, you should try and watch a replay/highlights if you can, it was a fine performance from Gael.
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Watching right now, i havnt been keeping up to date the last couple of days
 
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