I believe break will wind up helping Serena win #24 and possibly #25

[flutzingitaway]

I honestly think without this break Serena was done winning slams. She simply did not play enough to be sharp enough at the business end of tournaments. I believe now with this extended break she will mostly likely win another slam or two to tie/probably break the record. Her big disadvantage along with age (which will remain) was she played so much less competitive tennis than others she was not as sharp, including mentally. This will no longer be the case. The others will be super rusty just like Serena will. But Serena is better than anyone else at playing and winning with limited preperation. The others not so much. She will be the one with the advantage when we first return if anything.

 

[Rosstour]

I kind of agree with this.

She could win some titles on pure talent and power before everyone else’s conditioning ramps up.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

Better for tennis if she doesn't

 

[CYGS]

Love to see her making 10 more slam finals while failing to convert even one more win.

 

[flutzingitaway]

Better for tennis if she doesn't

Love or hate Serena I can't agree simply since who is at 24. Serena not getting to 24 or 25 means we have to keep hearing about a homophobic disgusting witch, yes a great tennis player, but someone for the kind of human being she is, is best not talked about anymore than she has to be. Serena is the only one who can make that happen. Not that hardly anyone considers this person the female tennis GOAT anyway, I know that, but the record and continued pursuit of it will keep her name in the news, and with it will come her hateful views and a platform of some kind for that. Nobody should want that to continue any longer than it must.

 

[Deleted member 768841]

It will be very interesting to see her results when lockdown is over. We will definitely see who used their time to either workout or relax and smell the roses.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Or Venus
These super intense workouts she's been doing on instagram every day in a 2 piece

Pumped for this show too

 

[Mainad]

Seems doubtful somehow. She will be in her 40th year by the time the tour resumes and she is getting slower and less fit with each passing year. Can't see how she would come out of this sharper and fitter than the younger guns who have been winning the Slams in the last few years.

 

[terribleIVAN]

She'll never beat a fit Andreescuu, that much i can tell you.

Wimbledon and maybe USO are the only 2 slams she can still win, and W left already.

Each passing month, her body has less and less capacity to stay in shape, and to repair itself (joints).

The better question would be, that considering the mountain of efforts she invested to overcome Graf and Court's records, will her failure in this department tarnish greatly her legacy ?

 

[ScottleeSV]

If she gets a good draw and some luck, she could still win 1 (or 2).

It's getting more unlikely with each passing year though. There are some players are better than her now (Andreescu, Halep, Osaka, maybe others), even if that's due to age.

 

[Enceladus]

Serena will never win another grandslam again, mark my words. She lost her last 4 Grand Slam finals and it is always difficult to break such a negative streak unless there is a easy opponent against you in the final. The level of her baseline game has weakened, for Halep, Osaka or Andreescu is not a problem to overcome Serena in long rallies. The only thing that keeps Serena afloat is her first service.

 

[Gazelle]

Love or hate Serena I can't agree simply since who is at 24. Serena not getting to 24 or 25 means we have to keep hearing about a homophobic disgusting witch, yes a great tennis player, but someone for the kind of human being she is, is best not talked about anymore than she has to be. Serena is the only one who can make that happen. Not that hardly anyone considers this person the female tennis GOAT anyway, I know that, but the record and continued pursuit of it will keep her name in the news, and with it will come her hateful views and a platform of some kind for that. Nobody should want that to continue any longer than it must.

Serena is a disgusting witch too, not homophobic but just nasty against anyone crossing her path. No thx.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Love or hate Serena I can't agree simply since who is at 24. Serena not getting to 24 or 25 means we have to keep hearing about a homophobic disgusting witch, yes a great tennis player, but someone for the kind of human being she is, is best not talked about anymore than she has to be. Serena is the only one who can make that happen. Not that hardly anyone considers this person the female tennis GOAT anyway, I know that, but the record and continued pursuit of it will keep her name in the news, and with it will come her hateful views and a platform of some kind for that. Nobody should want that to continue any longer than it must.

Yea, as if Serena was such a great person and role model.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

Love or hate Serena I can't agree simply since who is at 24. Serena not getting to 24 or 25 means we have to keep hearing about a homophobic disgusting witch, yes a great tennis player, but someone for the kind of human being she is, is best not talked about anymore than she has to be. Serena is the only one who can make that happen. Not that hardly anyone considers this person the female tennis GOAT anyway, I know that, but the record and continued pursuit of it will keep her name in the news, and with it will come her hateful views and a platform of some kind for that. Nobody should want that to continue any longer than it must.

You wrote an essay on mostly off topic pointers. Join politics in the future my friend if you wish to, because false political correctness is required there too much.

 

[BeatlesFan]

The buffalo will be 40 when play resumes and is already close to 200 pounds. Even with the chokefests littering the WTA, her slam winning days are probably over. Thank God.

 

[NLBwell]

I honestly think without this break Serena was done winning slams. She simply did not play enough to be sharp enough at the business end of tournaments. I believe now with this extended break she will mostly likely win another slam or two to tie/probably break the record. Her big disadvantage along with age (which will remain) was she played so much less competitive tennis than others she was not as sharp, including mentally. This will no longer be the case. The others will be super rusty just like Serena will. But Serena is better than anyone else at playing and winning with limited preperation. The others not so much. She will be the one with the advantage when we first return if anything.

I think it depends on how much/how well she trains during this break.
If she comes back at her fittest she will regain some of her speed and the break will help with the nagging injuries, aches, and pains every older tennis player has. If she thinks she can come back with little preparation and just turn it on when tournaments start, she won't win any more of them.

 

[Steve0904]

If she was going to do it she'd do it regardless of the break. I don't see how the break matters. If anything it just means she's missing more chances. She could come back refreshed and all that, but she could've just taken her own break (instead of a virus imposed one) for long enough to heal herself of nagging injuries and such and win #24 and 25 if it was that easy.

 

[flutzingitaway]

If she was going to do it she'd do it regardless of the break. I don't see how the break matters. If anything it just means she's missing more chances. She could come back refreshed and all that, but she could've just taken her own break (instead of a virus imposed one) for long enough to heal herself of nagging injuries and such and win #24 and 25 if it was that easy.

It is because her big disadvantage to players now, along with obviously age, is she does not play enough so she isn't as match sharp and prepared. That is negated since nobody will have played in a long time and be match sharp or prepared, evenining out that aspect for her.

 

[NLBwell]

If she was going to do it she'd do it regardless of the break. I don't see how the break matters. If anything it just means she's missing more chances. She could come back refreshed and all that, but she could've just taken her own break (instead of a virus imposed one) for long enough to heal herself of nagging injuries and such and win #24 and 25 if it was that easy.

It's not about the break, it's about the opportunity to change her mindset. She has come back from breaks in the past as an amazingly fit athlete and also as very out-of-shape. She hasn't been in the best condition for several years. If she sees time passing and really wants to win more before she retires she will put every effort into training, improving her strokes, etc. since this will be her last chance. If she continues as she has, time will pass her by.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

"...break wind..."

 

[terribleIVAN]

It's not about the break, it's about the opportunity to change her mindset. She has come back from breaks in the past as an amazingly fit athlete and also as very out-of-shape. She hasn't been in the best condition for several years. If she sees time passing and really wants to win more before she retires she will put every effort into training, improving her strokes, etc. since this will be her last chance. If she continues as she has, time will pass her by.

No, it's about osteoarthritis which she has in her knees, as Moratoglou admitted some months ago. Since she can't train as before, weight creeps up, which puts even more strain on her joints.

It's a catch 22.

 

[DSH]

She is Finished and so is Federer.
Next!

 

[ohiostate124]

Maybe if she took this time to get into shape.

 

[NLBwell]

No, it's about osteoarthritis which she has in her knees, as Moratoglou admitted some months ago. Since she can't train as before, weight creeps up, which puts even more strain on her joints.

It's a catch 22.

Well, weight is a choice (or actually a long series of choices, as I tell my clients). In terms of improving movement, there are certainly ways to do that without impacting the knees much, but they aren't going to be nearly as efficient as the standard exercises. So, again, it's going to take a lot of extra work. Plus, just with age it gets harder and harder to get in top shape. This is her last chance.

 

[terribleIVAN]

So, again, it's going to take a lot of extra work.

No amount of extra work will ever substitute for osteoarthritis in a high impact sport.

Ever.

Murray knows something about it.

 

[BeatlesFan]

She is Finished and so is Federer.
Next!

Serena is 5'10, 200 pounds. Fed is 6'1, 177 pounds.

One is a limping gasbag of fat, the other is a world class athlete. If Fed is finished, it's because he can't beat two ATG's in slams, both of whom have 17 and 19 slams.

What is Serena's excuse, when her competition consists of shrieking, choking POS's?

 

[travlerajm]

Serena is 5'10, 200 pounds. Fed is 6'1, 177 pounds.

One is a limping gasbag of fat, the other is a world class athlete. If Fed is finished, it's because he can't beat two ATG's in slams, both of whom have 17 and 19 slams.

What is Serena's excuse, when her competition consists of shrieking, choking POS's?

Harsh. But true that if she lost 30 lbs for one last serious run, she'd probably win another slam.

 

[BrokenForehand]

doubt she really wants the number, Court’s grand slams are not all from open era

 

[tennis_pro]

She'll be 40 next year, stop doing crack, people

 

[Mike Sams]

Coco Gauff and Naomi Osaka will send the Williams sisters into retirement.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Harsh. But true that if she lost 30 lbs for one last serious run, she'd probably win another slam.

Not harsh, it's truth.

 

[BeatlesFan]

doubt she really wants the number, Court’s grand slams are not all from open era

Actually this is partially untrue. Eight of Court's slams are from the open era and that's 25% of her total majors:

AO: 1970, 1971, 1973
FO: 1970, 1973
Wimbledon: 1970
USO: 1970, 1973

 

[BrokenForehand]

Actually this is partially untrue. Eight of Court's slams are from the open era and that's 25% of her total majors:

AO: 1970, 1971, 1973
FO: 1970, 1973
Wimbledon: 1970
USO: 1970, 1973

yeah I’m trying to say the same thing, not all, which makes the 24 not that worthy/tempting to beat
plus she lost a lot of respect from peers due to those controversial comments

 

[Phoenix1983]

Love or hate Serena I can't agree simply since who is at 24. Serena not getting to 24 or 25 means we have to keep hearing about a homophobic disgusting witch, yes a great tennis player, but someone for the kind of human being she is, is best not talked about anymore than she has to be. Serena is the only one who can make that happen. Not that hardly anyone considers this person the female tennis GOAT anyway, I know that, but the record and continued pursuit of it will keep her name in the news, and with it will come her hateful views and a platform of some kind for that. Nobody should want that to continue any longer than it must.

Good post, I agree. It is annoying because, as you say, no one really considers Court GOAT anyway. However, we'll have to keep hearing her name as the record holder until she is removed from that position.

 

[weakera]

Let's hope not.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Good post, I agree. It is annoying because, as you say, no one really considers Court GOAT anyway. However, we'll have to keep hearing her name as the record holder until she is removed from that position.

I consider Court GOAT and so do many others. Of course former players, tennis journalists etc. won’t say it in public since it is not PC and they are brainwashed and afraid to loose reputation. This is the sad reality we are living in.

 

[fed1]

I’ve said this in other Serena threads about the record, last year at Wimbledon she was supposedly in amazing shape, smoked by Halep, on to the US Open where she is blowing away all the lesser lights and she’s in amazing shape, smoked by Bianca. These players now including Kenin, a rejuvenated Muguruza, Osaka, Barty, aren’t going anywhere.
For all the people with the Serena rose colored glasses on, take them off and really go back and watch the Andreescu US Open final objectively, this match wasn’t even close until Bianca realized she was going to win.

 

[Phoenix1983]

I consider Court GOAT and so do many others. Of course former players, tennis journalists etc. won’t say it in public since it is not PC and they are brainwashed and afraid to loose reputation. This is the sad reality we are living in.

I think it's more because almost half her slams were won at the AO when it had little competition.

Serena's 23 slams (and for that matter Graf's 22 slams, and probably even Navratilova and Evert's 18 slams) should be regarded as greater than Court's 24.

 

[ibbi]

I don't think an old lady getting even older is helping her case. If anything it's easier to shake off rust and what not when you're young, and harder to do when you're old. Also, I'm not sure if you've heard, but Serena is a mother, which means she may not have as much time to train as the lesser mortals that don't have these parasites sucking up their time and energy.

 

[flutzingitaway]

Also, I'm not sure if you've heard, but Serena is a mother, which means she may not have as much time to train as the lesser mortals that don't have these parasites sucking up their time and energy.

That is what husbands are for. The new world order.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

I think it's more because almost half her slams were won at the AO when it had little competition.

Serena's 23 slams (and for that matter Graf's 22 slams, and probably even Navratilova and Evert's 18 slams) should be regarded as greater than Court's 24.

There might be some truth in this but all this weak competition talk is a quite dangerous area to enter as one can belittle almost each and every competition (as being evident when following all these GOAT threads with all big three fanbases discrediting slams of the other two due to weak era etc.). One could for instance also argue that Serena’s competition in the last 8 years or so was nothing to write home about.

 

[Midaso240]

Not harsh, it's truth.

LOL,is that picture doctored? I can't remember her ever being quite that chubby

 

[CYGS]

Is this the longest surviving Serena thread ever? Surprised that it has not been nuked yet.

 

[PDJ]

I think it's more because almost half her slams were won at the AO when it had little competition.

Serena's 23 slams (and for that matter Graf's 22 slams, and probably even Navratilova and Evert's 18 slams) should be regarded as greater than Court's 24.

I think it's more indicative of the obsession with numbers. And the only number that matters is wins in majors. Personally I find that short-sighted. And why I don't subscribe to the 'GOAT' argument.
But those that do can't have it both ways. Currently Court reigns with major wins.
Also, priorities have changed: The AO, and The French to a lesser degree, are now of equal importance and attended by all the top players. This was not the case until the late 80s.

 

[MichaelNadal]

The buffalo will be 40 when play resumes and is already close to 200 pounds. Even with the chokefests littering the WTA, her slam winning days are probably over. Thank God.

Maybe if she took this time to get into shape.

Serena is 5'10, 200 pounds. Fed is 6'1, 177 pounds.

One is a limping gasbag of fat, the other is a world class athlete. If Fed is finished, it's because he can't beat two ATG's in slams, both of whom have 17 and 19 slams.

What is Serena's excuse, when her competition consists of shrieking, choking POS's?

Lmao. Meanwhile Serena at the AO this year^^
Yall are really too much

 

[Mike Sams]

I kind of agree with this.

She could win some titles on pure talent and power before everyone else’s conditioning ramps up.

Nah. I don't see that. All the other girls hit big too these days. Andreescu, Osaka, etc. Plus they're much younger and faster.

 

[PDJ]

Lmao. Meanwhile Serena at the AO this year^^
Yall are really too much

She certainly looks trimmer - But she does wear the oddest things for her shape.
I don't understand her outfits that emphasise she is short-necked. She looks like a floating head.
As a fashion designer you'd think she would know better.

 

[MichaelNadal]

She certainly looks trimmer - But she does wear the oddest things for her shape.
I don't understand her outfits that emphasise she is short-necked. She looks like a floating head.
As a fashion designer you'd think she would know better.

It's almost like Nike WANTS her to look ridiculous a lot of the time lol.

 

[PDJ]

It's almost like Nike WANTS her to look ridiculous a lot of the time lol.

Yikes! Not seen that one before.
Tinkerbell is on the phone... she wants her dress back.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Yikes! Not seen that one before.
Tinkerbell is on the phone... she wants her dress back.

USO 2018, worst kit of her entire career by far. Absolutely hideous.