I can guarantee now that Rafa and Novak will land in opposite halves at Rg 2021.

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With thiem form getting worse each tournament, I don't see thiem landing in Medvedev half as it could really make for a weak half as even if you let Tsitsipas in there still you have chances of having a bad final which I feel rg can't afford atleast on paper. There seeding system of last time suggest they will easily manipulate to put the big ones in opposite half so as to atleast have a chance of a big final matchup otherwise it could end up something like Nadal vs Rublev which imo rg organizers wouldn't want.
 
Nadal_King said:
With thiem form getting worse each tournament, I don't see thiem landing in Medvedev half as it could really make for a weak half as even if you let Tsitsipas in there still you have chances of having a bad final which I feel rg can't afford atleast on paper. There seeding system of last time suggest they will easily manipulate to put the big ones in opposite half so as to atleast have a chance of a big final matchup otherwise it could end up something like Nadal vs Rublev which imo rg organizers wouldn't want.
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Nadal fans all want Djokovic in SF this time. Hard enough facing a fellow GOAT without going for a slam record.
 
Forehanderer said:
How is it possible that whenever the big 3 were playing a decade ago, you would normally see Fedovic matches in slam SF and Nadal escapes with an easy draw. Even 2019 USO draw was designed this way for Rafa to vulture another slam
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How many times did Federer lose one round away from Rafa at the USO? 10,11, 17...any others?
 
Beckerserve said:
Nadal fans all want Djokovic in SF this time. Hard enough facing a fellow GOAT without going for a slam record.
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Djokovic isn't a GOAT.
None of them are.

And the slam record is a non-factor.
Nadal felt no pressure in 2020 when he tied Federer's slam tally, with a 60 62 75 victory over Djokovic........with the roof closed........and coming off a 62 75 loss at Rome vs. Schwartzman!

Winning 20 or 21 slams is not even a priority.
He'd be relatively disappointed with 21........because he's aiming for 25.

Nadal said, "I would love to finish my career with 25 [GS singles titles], if it's possible....Let's see. I hope to keep produce myself opportunities in the next couple of years."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/tennis/53342422
 
Forehanderer said:
dont be a dummy. he lost to Djokovic in 5 sets two times and Del potro in 4 tight sets. the question still remains. why does rafa get the luck of the draw
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2010: Federer lost SF to Djokovic
2011: Federer lost SF to Djokovic
2013: Federer lost R16 to Robredo
2017: Federer lost QF to Del Potro

Nadal has been unlucky at the US Open, being drawn to play US Open Champions repeatedly....
2010 = Nadal def. Djokovic
2011 = Nadal def. Murray
2013 = Nadal def. Djokovic
2017 = Nadal def. Del Potro
2019 = Nadal def. Cilic
There are hardly any US Open Champions on the tour, and Nadal beat them all.
Nadal is also unlucky because he didn't play the US Open in 2012, 2014 and 2020.
 
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Forehanderer said:
Roger did. So did Sampras, Edberg, Becker.

Don't be bitter that your guy was a perpetual no.2
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Forehanderer said:
How is it possible that whenever the big 3 were playing a decade ago, you would normally see Fedovic matches in slam SF and Nadal escapes with an easy draw. Even 2019 USO draw was designed this way for Rafa to vulture another slam
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Nadal drawing Federer in his half in 2012 AO was probably as big of a shock as Soderling beating Nadal at the 2009 FO. Federer and Djokovic were in the same half of the draw literally every single time except one time when both were out of form.
 
Forehanderer said:
How is it possible that whenever the big 3 were playing a decade ago, you would normally see Fedovic matches in slam SF and Nadal escapes with an easy draw. Even 2019 USO draw was designed this way for Rafa to vulture another slam
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It's insane that although people here were constantly complaining about it and mocking it, nobody started an actual investigation into all those fixed draws. They couldn't have been more blatant about it.
 
NADALalot said:
Djokovic isn't a GOAT.
None of them are.

And the slam record is a non-factor.
Nadal felt no pressure in 2020 when he tied Federer's slam tally, with a 60 62 75 victory over Djokovic........with the roof closed........and coming off a 62 75 loss at Rome vs. Schwartzman!

Winning 20 or 21 slams is not even a priority.
He'd be relatively disappointed with 21........because he's aiming for 25.

Nadal said, "I would love to finish my career with 25 [GS singles titles], if it's possible....Let's see. I hope to keep produce myself opportunities in the next couple of years."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/tennis/53342422
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Cannot see him getting 25 tbh. Im happy with 20. 21 ill be over the moon. Anything more is icing
 
Nadal_King said:
With thiem form getting worse each tournament, I don't see thiem landing in Medvedev half as it could really make for a weak half as even if you let Tsitsipas in there still you have chances of having a bad final which I feel rg can't afford atleast on paper. There seeding system of last time suggest they will easily manipulate to put the big ones in opposite half so as to atleast have a chance of a big final matchup otherwise it could end up something like Nadal vs Rublev which imo rg organizers wouldn't want.
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If they really rig the draws like that, don't ya think they would've put Nadal and Djokovic on opposite halves in 2013?
 
mike danny said:
Not necessarily, because Fed was in the other half and the organizers could have had a Fedal or Fedovic final.
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This is why I think the whole "rigged draw" claim is just a conspiracy theory. Any time there's a lucky (or unlucky) matchup, people immediately assume intent on the part of the organizers. I'd need more real evidence to believe that organizers are purposely rigging draws and not drawing out of a hat like they normally do.
 
Beckerserve said:
Medvedev was much harder than Djokovic and Federer that summer. He was on a hot streak. Rafa would have beat Djokovic or Federer in straight sets in 2019.
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lol please. Rafa had no chance against these two especially v Djokovic. He was mugged back in AO that year and Nadal hasn't beaten Federer outside clay since 2017. Any new gen facing him forget Medvedev was basically a chance for Nadal to vulture. Rafa's main weapon is his unique game which is discomforting to any new gen. New gen are better facing Fedovic than Nadal.
 
merwy said:
It's insane that although people here were constantly complaining about it and mocking it, nobody started an actual investigation into all those fixed draws. They couldn't have been more blatant about it.
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King No1e said:
This is why I think the whole "rigged draw" claim is just a conspiracy theory. Any time there's a lucky (or unlucky) matchup, people immediately assume intent on the part of the organizers. I'd need more real evidence to believe that organizers are purposely rigging draws and not drawing out of a hat like they normally do.
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I'm not saying they were rigged just that Nadal got lucky. So whenever some Nadal devotee talks about injuries and other whining, one can mention how lucky he got when it came to draws.
 
I'm not sure. The tournament definitely want these two to meet, but it's not guaranteed Djokovic will make the final. Tournament could do well from Nadal Vs Djokovic SF and then Nadal vs Next Gen final.
 
I had no idea the tennis community was so catty before joining this forum.
That said, I hope to see Rafa play his best! Always marvelous to see him play the clay.
 
Forehanderer said:
Roger did. So did Sampras, Edberg, Becker.

Don't be bitter that your guy was a perpetual no.2
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You complained about Rafa's performance at the USO between 2004-2008 (ages 18-22). Roger aged 18-22 was a non-factor at RG.

And LOL at citing Sampras, Edberg and Becker as the paradigm of all-court players. They did nothing at Roland-Garros.

Don't be bitter that your guy was perpetual #3 as soon as Nadal and Djokovic peaked.
 
NADALalot said:
2010: Federer lost SF to Djokovic
2011: Federer lost SF to Djokovic
2013: Federer lost R16 to Robredo
2017: Federer lost QF to Del Potro

Nadal has been unlucky at the US Open, being drawn to play US Open Champions repeatedly....
2010 = Nadal def. Djokovic
2011 = Nadal def. Murray
2013 = Nadal def. Djokovic
2017 = Nadal def. Del Potro
2019 = Nadal def. Cilic
There are hardly any US Open Champions on the tour, and Nadal beat them all.
Nadal is also unlucky because he didn't play the US Open in 2012, 2014 and 2020.
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To be fair, neither Djokovic or Murray were US Open champions by 2010 and 2011 respectively. Especially you can't consider Djokovic from 2010 in the same league he's been since 2011. US Open 2010 draw was a joke, even a Nadal fan must realize that.

Same with 2017. Del Potro ran completely out of gas after his performance against Federer, then a lackluster and already happy Kevin Anderson in the final.
 
Sport said:
You complained about Rafa's performance at the USO between 2004-2008 (ages 18-22). Roger aged 18-22 was a non-factor at RG.

And LOL at citing Sampras, Edberg and Becker as the paradigm of all-court players. They did nothing at Roland-Garros.

Don't be bitter that your guy was perpetual #3 as soon as Nadal and Djokovic peaked.
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You can type lol all you want but you seem salty. Your guy is a glorified clay courter who vultured some USOs. No YEC, clay skew is real. Deal with it :cool:
 
It's so unfair. Roger was used to beating guys like Baghdatis and Gonzalez in finals and they expected him to have to beat guys like Djokovic in the Semis!!!

Is it any wonder Federer stopped sweeping up slams like candy when the authorities made him play players like Djokovic and Nadal to win slams!
 
Sport said:
You complained about Rafa's performance at the USO between 2004-2008 (ages 18-22). Roger aged 18-22 was a non-factor at RG.

And LOL at citing Sampras, Edberg and Becker as the paradigm of all-court players. They did nothing at Roland-Garros.

Don't be bitter that your guy was perpetual #3 as soon as Nadal and Djokovic peaked.
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Edberg was very close to winning FO and Becker made 3 FO SFs. That in an era when it was much harder to achieve all-surface success.
 
Forehanderer said:
How is it possible that whenever the big 3 were playing a decade ago, you would normally see Fedovic matches in slam SF and Nadal escapes with an easy draw. Even 2019 USO draw was designed this way for Rafa to vulture another slam
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I think they were rigging it to get Fedal slam finals, Fed was still seen as the better HC/grass player at the time so that's why Novak was always in his half in non-clay slams while at the FO he was in Nadal's half.

Nadal benefited obviously.
 
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