I can't wait for Nadal to be back

jl809

Hall of Fame
I hope Rafa wasn’t watching that match or a tape of it for his own sake. That’s the level he has to get back to now. Good luck with that! Lol
I doubt he was watching Cincy considering it’s a tournament he’s never given a **** about. I reckon he was watching RG though, laughing at the circus and fuming at how his body had denied him an easy #23. Wonder if he’s already pencilled in the W for next year in his calendar
 

Julius Caesar

Professional
The delusion continues.

Carlos is a better version of Rafa in all aspects.

Why not back him?
Because he is not. Simple as that. He has a few things that Nadal lacked back in the day and Nadal when a youngster had others that Alcaraz lacks now.

Alcaraz is a more well rounded and better version of Novak.
 

pedro94

Semi-Pro
How can a Mesi fan like Messi moving to a retirement league when he had 2-3, years of top football left? It's baffling.
It's not difficult to see why he decided to do that. It's difficult to find motivation to put yourself through the rigour of competing at the highest level at 36 years old, when you just won the World Cup and have (literally) nothing else to prove (or win). Messi just wanted to enjoy himself, after the enormous burden of expectation was finally lifted off of his shoulders. And look where he is now, only a few matches in and he's already taken a rock-bottom MLS team and won their first ever trophy with them, not bad at all! On top of that, he already owned a property in Miami and him and his family seem to be really enjoying their lives over there. And with the enormous deal he signed with the club, it's all a win win for him.
 
I believe! One last comeback. The optimist in me hopes he is fully healed by november but I mainly fear new injuries, not the current one. I do believe the hunger will be there. 2022 was not that long ago and if he can get back to the level he had up until the IW injury, he will be a slam contender once more at all the slams + RG will always be there if he can play without pain limiting him ala 2022.
2 years is a long long time when you are this old.
We have seen it with Federer between 2019 and 2021. Nadal's body was already breaking down at 36 and barely held it together until Wimbledon.

With this said, even if I don't like the man, what he brings to the tour cannot be replaced by anyone else.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
2 years is a long long time when you are this old.
We have seen it with Federer between 2019 and 2021. Nadal's body was already breaking down at 36 and barely held it together until Wimbledon.

With this said, even if I don't like the man, what he brings to the tour cannot be replaced by anyone else.
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I doubt he was watching Cincy considering it’s a tournament he’s never given a **** about. I reckon he was watching RG though, laughing at the circus and fuming at how his body had denied him an easy #23. Wonder if he’s already pencilled in the W for next year in his calendar
I thought Rafa was humble? :unsure:
 

Rafa the King

Hall of Fame
2 years is a long long time when you are this old.
We have seen it with Federer between 2019 and 2021. Nadal's body was already breaking down at 36 and barely held it together until Wimbledon.

With this said, even if I don't like the man, what he brings to the tour cannot be replaced by anyone else.
Well that’s why I’m worried about new injuries. But although Rafa’s body was breaking down at Wimbledon 2022, he was pretty close to having won the first 3 slams of the year. Had his injury not worsened, it would have been a great 50/50 Wimbledon final. So far he has always been amazing after long breaks to start the season. I can only pray though.
 

Incognito

Legend
Do you think the Assange POV is unbiased? Or just biased towards another country's interests?
What has assange go to do with what I said?

Saudi is bad according to you, France and US are angels. Now I ask you, who has invaded more countries and killed more people?
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
What has assange go to do with what I said?

Saudi is bad according to you, France and US are angels. Now I ask you, who has invaded more countries and killed more people?

As much as dislike America, you can't be serious if you think condition of human life is same in Saudi Arabia and The US. In Saudi Arabia or even in Dubai you gotta produce 4 evidence to prove S assault against a woman , will be killed for blasphemy, will be killed for leaving their religion ( apostasy) as someone who cherish freedom I would prefer America over Saudi ,Dubai , Pakistan,Iran and such countries. These countries would have flexed their muscles if they were strong enough to do that and that's entirely different topic imo.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Would have liked for him to play in Europe for a couple more years, but he clearly felt like he had nothing left to give. It’s just nice to see him enjoying himself outside of that toxic cesspit called P$G.
Messi wanted to return to FC Barcelona, but the club couldn't afford to hire him. I think that he feels at home in Miami, there are a lot of Spanish speakers in Miami.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Messi wanted to return to FC Barcelona, but the club couldn't afford to hire him. I think that he feels at home in Miami, there are a lot of Spanish speakers in Miami.

Farca never wanted Messi back ( more than a club lol) Messi knew it and he packed his bag to a retirement league instead of playing for other CL clubs.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Lots of bile towards nadal on here in this thread. In most sports the team or person seen as the top dog gets the most hate. Manchester City a good example at the moment. Real Madrid far less popular than Barcelona another example.
I doubt Nadal comes back. He ended his career at RG2022 having all those foot injections. Becoming president of real madrid i would think now at his age is more impoetant than tennis as he achieved alk there is to achieve in tennis. Nothing more left to do in tennis. Plenty to do as owner of Real Madrid to keep them up with the oil rich clubs PSG and Man City.
As for foot injections, Rafa has had an anomaly of a tarsal bone in his left foot since he was born. Pain flares up from time to time and becomes unbearable. During the 2022 Roland Garros, he received nerve-numbing injections near certain nerves in the foot to provide temporary pain relief. After the RG, he started to use another procedure (Radiofrequency Ablation) to numb certain nerves.
 

Incognito

Legend
As much as dislike America, you can't be serious if you think condition of human life is same in Saudi Arabia and The US. In Saudi Arabia or even in Dubai you gotta produce 4 evidence to prove S assault against a woman , will be killed for blasphemy, will be killed for leaving their religion ( apostasy) as someone who cherish freedom I would prefer America over Saudi ,Dubai , Pakistan,Iran and such countries. These countries would have flexed their muscles if they were strong enough to do that and that's entirely different topic imo.
Look, as long as they keep those laws in their own country, I don’t give crap. You and I are not expert on Islamic jurisprudence, so we can’t address those issues. What I do know is that Islamic law changes, depending on time and situation.

However in the last 150 years, France and America have killed more people than Saudi Arabia, it’s not even comparable. And just because it’s not their own people they are killing, it doesn’t give them the right to be the world’s moral compass.
 

messiahrobins

Professional
As for foot injections, Rafa has had an anomaly of a tarsal bone in his left foot since he was born. Pain flares up from time to time and becomes unbearable. During the 2022 Roland Garros, he received nerve-numbing injections near certain nerves in the foot to provide temporary pain relief. After the RG, he started to use another procedure (Radiofrequency Ablation) to numb certain nerves.
If, massive if in my view, he comes back fit i think he will end his career with 25 slams. Ive not seen any tennis as good as what he was producing early 2022 and if he got that level back given the state of the tour and the inevitable lull alcaraz will have next year as he is so young i can see Rafa overtaking court. All about his health though.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
If, massive if in my view, he comes back fit i think he will end his career with 25 slams. Ive not seen any tennis as good as what he was producing early 2022 and if he got that level back given the state of the tour and the inevitable lull alcaraz will have next year as he is so young i can see Rafa overtaking court. All about his health though.

So if he doesn't get 25 slams then it must be his health? :)
 

JasonZ

Hall of Fame
Well that’s why I’m worried about new injuries. But although Rafa’s body was breaking down at Wimbledon 2022, he was pretty close to having won the first 3 slams of the year. Had his injury not worsened, it would have been a great 50/50 Wimbledon final. So far he has always been amazing after long breaks to start the season. I can only pray though.
no, he was not pretty close to win wimbledon 2022, and if he had reached the final, his chances would be not more than 20%
 

messiahrobins

Professional
So if he doesn't get 25 slams then it must be his health? :)
Depends. If he loses early to journeymen then obviously yes. If he makes latter stages of slams but loses then no if he plays well. Historically i have noticed whenever team nadal goes silent during one of his long breaks the next season he wins 2 majors and comes back playing a bit differently. We will see what happens as its fascinating.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Depends. If he loses early to journeymen then obviously yes. If he makes latter stages of slams but loses then no if he plays well. Historically i have noticed whenever team nadal goes silent during one of his long breaks the next season he wins 2 majors and comes back playing a bit differently. We will see what happens as its fascinating.

What if he gets smashed by Alcaraz in lets say a fourth round, due to the low ranking? That's not quite latter stages, but the top gun still puts him down. Where would that sit?
 

messiahrobins

Professional
What if he gets smashed by Alcaraz in lets say a fourth round, due to the low ranking? That's not quite latter stages, but the top gun still puts him down. Where would that sit?
Depends how he plays. If say he is serving 65% plus and hits more winners than ufes then its not about health...just alcaraz mocing the chains. If he plays like against mcdonald or tiafoe where he couldnt serve or move well then it was a mistake coming back.
I dont think he comes back btw. I think he wanted to retire on top atFO 2022 but outside influences persuaded him to carry on. Would not be the first atg to have this happen wont be the last.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Depends how he plays. If say he is serving 65% plus and hits more winners than ufes then its not about health...just alcaraz mocing the chains. If he plays like against mcdonald or tiafoe where he couldnt serve or move well then it was a mistake coming back.
I dont think he comes back btw. I think he wanted to retire on top atFO 2022 but outside influences persuaded him to carry on. Would not be the first atg to have this happen wont be the last.

Fair enough.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
If, massive if in my view, he comes back fit i think he will end his career with 25 slams. Ive not seen any tennis as good as what he was producing early 2022 and if he got that level back given the state of the tour and the inevitable lull alcaraz will have next year as he is so young i can see Rafa overtaking court. All about his health though.
As for the congenital anomaly of a tarsal bone in his left foot, it's incurable. The procedures he has undergone have provided only temporary pain relief. The only permanent cure for his left foot problem is surgery, but it would end his career as a pro tennis player.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Look, as long as they keep those laws in their own country, I don’t give crap. You and I are not expert on Islamic jurisprudence, so we can’t address those issues. What I do know is that Islamic law changes, depending on time and situation.

However in the last 150 years, France and America have killed more people than Saudi Arabia, it’s not even comparable. And just because it’s not their own people they are killing, it doesn’t give them the right to be the world’s moral compass.

I don't need to pe expert on Sharia jurisprudence to see how they look horrible everywhere you see . I just compared both situations in the country. Nobody says America or France has the right to be moral compass but these countries are 10000x better to live than Saudi and the islamic countries ,doesn't matter what you think . Also as i said when these regimes had power they did far more atrocities than the US could ever imagine. Islamic conquest of Indian subcontinent is the bloodiest in the history of world - Will Durant
 
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Incognito

Legend
I don't need to pe expert on Sharia jurisprudence to see how they look horrible everywhere you see
According to who?
. I just compared both situations in the country. Nobody says America or France has the right to be moral compass but these countries are 10000x better to live than Saudi and the islamic countries ,doesn't matter what you think .
As a Swedish person, That’s true for me. Id rather live in the west or any predominantly ”white” country because then I wont have to change my cultural values. But if you Ask a religious woman from Bangladesh, she probably Will Give you a different answer.

However, If I have to choose between china/india vs Dubai, Id choose the latter.

Also as i said when these regimes had power they did far more atrocities than the US could ever imagine. Islamic conquest of Indian subcontinent is the bloodiest in the history of world - Will Durant
Lol! America is just starting, its a Young country. Shall we talk about western/european imperialism…the christianization of latin america, africa?

Anyway, lets continue This if you want, but privately. Dont want to banned, Im here for tennis talk.
 
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