I could actually see Medvedev winning RG at this point

[JoshDragon]

Who has won 3 of their last 4 matches sir?

Who has won seven out of their 11 career matches? Answer: The 36 year old Novak Djokovic.

 

[dking68]

Sinner and Alcaraz wouldn't win anything if they played in the late 200s or early to mid 2010s.

The persons who I highlighted in your previous comment would not be ahead of 2024 Sinner in 2010. The stats and titles show it all.

 

[dking68]

Who has won seven out of their 11 career matches? Answer: The 36 year old Novak Djokovic.

They’ve only played 7 times Sir

 

[JoshDragon]

They’ve only played 7 times Sir

My bad.

 

[dking68]

My bad.

Djokovic, Murray and Soderling 2010 would not be ranked ahead of Sinner 2024 in 2010.

 

[JoshDragon]

The persons who I highlighted in your previous comment would not be ahead of 2024 Sinner in 2010. The stats and titles show it all.

How can you be sure that Sinner would have those same stats if he played in an era where there was actually some decent competition?

 

[JoshDragon]

Djokovic, Murray and Soderling 2010 would not be ranked ahead of Sinner 2024 in 2010.

How so?

Djokovic 2010 US Open > Sinner 2024 Australian Open
Soderling 2010 French Open > Sinner 2024 Australian Open
Murray 2010 Australian Open > Sinner 2024 Australian Open

 

[dking68]

How so?

Djokovic 2010 US Open > Sinner 2024 Australian Open
Soderling 2010 French Open > Sinner 2024 Australian Open
Murray 2010 Australian Open > Sinner 2024 Australian Open

Not at all, LOL. Sinner won 98% of his service games prior to his maiden slam final.

The other comparisons are quite pointless

 

[dking68]

How can you be sure that Sinner would have those same stats if he played in an era where there was actually some decent competition?

I think Sinner 2024 is playing at a higher level than Djokovic, Murray and Soderling did in 2010.

Id argue he played at a higher level than Fed 2010 but let’s wait till the end of the season to reevaluate, but I believe the other 3 I firmly believe so.

 

[JoshDragon]

Not at all, LOL. Sinner won 98% of his service games prior to his maiden slam final.

The other comparisons are quite pointless

C'mon man! Who did Sinner beat on his way to winning that slam? A 36 year old Djokovic and Daniil Medvedev. Medvedev has mugged up almost every grand slam final that he's in.

 

[dking68]

C'mon man! Who did Sinner beat on his way to winning that slam? A 36 year old Djokovic and Daniil Medvedev. Medvedev has mugged up almost every grand slam final that he's in.

Sinner defeated 3 top five players in a row , 2 of them without losing his serve.

 

[JoshDragon]

I think Sinner 2024 is playing at a higher level than Djokovic, Murray and Soderling did in 2010.

Id argue he played at a higher level than Fed 2010 but let’s wait till the end of the season to reevaluate, but I believe the other 3 I firmly believe so.

Based on what? Federer won a slam against prime level Murray. Who did Sinner beat?

 

[dking68]

@JoshDragon Sinner 2024 and Fed 2010 would be in competition for second place in 2010. I’ll wait until the end of the season to reevaluate who would really be second.

 

[JoshDragon]

Sinner defeated 3 top five players in a row , 2 of them without losing his serve.

The guy lost a set to 36 year old Djokovic.

 

[dking68]

Based on what? Federer won a slam against prime level Murray. Who did Sinner beat?

Sinner defeated a 10 time AO champion without losing serve.

 

[JoshDragon]

@JoshDragon Sinner 2024 and Fed 2010 would be in competition for second place in 2010. I’ll wait until the end of the season to reevaluate who would really be second.

I don't think you watched tennis back in 2010. But I did.

2010 was a very up and down year for Roger Federer. But his performance in Australia was definitely better than Sinner's was this year.

 

[dking68]

The guy lost a set to 36 year old Djokovic.

He didn’t lose his serve. In fact, he didn’t even generate a single breakpoint on Sinners serve.

 

[dking68]

I don't think you watched tennis back in 2010. But I did.

2010 was a very up and down year for Roger Federer. But his performance in Australia was definitely better than Sinner's was this year.

I’m not disagreeing, but Sinner was way better in the sunshine double. Let’s wait until the end of the season to decide who would be second in 2019

 

[JoshDragon]

Sinner defeated a 10 time AO champion without losing serve.

He lost a set to a player that's 14 years older than him. That makes Sinner a Next Gen mug.

 

[JoshDragon]

I’m not disagreeing, but Sinner was way better in the sunshine double. Let’s wait until the end of the season to decide who would be second in 2019

2010 or 2019?

 

[dking68]

2010 or 2019?

2010 keyboard typo

But Sinner 2024 is ahead of Djo, Mur and Sod in 2010

 

[JoshDragon]

He didn’t lose his serve. In fact, he didn’t even generate a single breakpoint on Sinners serve.

But you can't really hold that against Djokovic. He's facing a player that is sooo much younger than him and an opponent who is in the prime of their career. Djokovic shouldn't be winning all of these slams. That's the fault of the Next Gen for not pushing him and Nadal out of the game.

 

[dking68]

But you can't really hold that against Djokovic. He's facing a player that is sooo much younger than him and an opponent who is in the prime of their career. Djokovic shouldn't be winning all of these slams. That's the fault of the Next Gen for not pushing him and Nadal out of the game.

I do think Sinner 2024 is a strong candidate for #2 in 2010 year end. Let’s wait until the end of the season. But right now he’s playing at a level that would at least allow him to be ranked 3rd

 

[JoshDragon]

2010 keyboard typo

But Sinner 2024 is ahead of Djo, Mur and Sod in 2010

I don't see how. Especially, if this injury is going to affect things for the foreseeable future. Let's hope not.

 

[dking68]

I don't see how. Especially, if this injury is going to affect things for the foreseeable future. Let's hope not.

Do you analyze tennisabstracts statistics? The numbers don’t lie

Sinner has won 56% TPW this season. That’s the same as Djokovic in 2011 and 2015. How would 2010 level Djokovic be ranked higher than 2024 Sinner?

 

[JoshDragon]

I do think Sinner 2024 is a strong candidate for #2 in 2010 year end. Let’s wait until the end of the season. But right now he’s playing at a level that would at least allow him to be ranked 3rd

If Sinner played in 2010, he would would have a chance of winning Indian Wells and Miami. Ljubicic and Roddick won them that year.

He definitely doesn't win any of the slams. Or any of the clay court masters. Maybe he has a shot at Cincinnati. But post US Open, he wouldn't win anything.

 

[dking68]

If Sinner played in 2010, he would would have a chance of winning Indian Wells and Miami. Ljubicic and Roddick won them that year.

He definitely doesn't win any of the slams. Or any of the clay court masters. Maybe he has a shot at Cincinnati. But post US Open, he wouldn't win anything.

He could win Wimbledon. But let’s wait until the end of the season to reevaluate. But he would not be lower than third IMO

 

[JoshDragon]

Do you analyze tennisabstracts statistics? The numbers don’t lie

Sinner has won 56% TPW this season. That’s the same as Djokovic in 2011 and 2015. How would 2010 level Djokovic be ranked higher than 2024 Sinner?

No. I've never heard of tennisabstracts. But I wouldn't put any stock in comparing numbers because Sinner's competition is very poor compared to what the Big 3 had to face in their prime.

The field in 2010 was very strong. You had the Big 4 (obviously) but also a lot of lower ranked dangerous players like Soderling, Tsonga, Verdasco, Ferrer, Baghdatis, Tipsarevic, Berdych. Del Potro would have been another one if he hadn't had the wrist injury problem.

 

[JoshDragon]

He could win Wimbledon. But let’s wait until the end of the season to reevaluate. But he would not be lower than third IMO

Did you watch Wimbledon 2010?

 

[dking68]

Did you watch Wimbledon 2010?

Let’s wait until the end of the season. But my final stance, he would finish at least third.

 

[dking68]

No. I've never heard of tennisabstracts. But I wouldn't put any stock in comparing numbers because Sinner's competition is very poor compared to what the Big 3 had to face in their prime.

The field in 2010 was very strong. You had the Big 4 (obviously) but also a lot of lower ranked dangerous players like Soderling, Tsonga, Verdasco, Ferrer, Baghdatis, Tipsarevic, Berdych. Del Potro would have been another one if he hadn't had the wrist injury problem.

Very strong in 2010 but there’s no way with the level Sinner has in 2024 he would finish outside of the top three

 

[JoshDragon]

Let’s wait until the end of the season. But my final stance, he would finish at least third.

What makes you say that Sinner would have won Wimbledon in 2010?

I just don't see it. Djokovic destroyed Sinner at Wimbledon, last year. I realize that Sinner is playing a lot better now but there is no way in hell that 2023 Djokovic would have done that to 2010 Nadal. Even on grass. Nadal actually used to be quite good on grass.

 

[dking68]

No. I've never heard of tennisabstracts. But I wouldn't put any stock in comparing numbers because Sinner's competition is very poor compared to what the Big 3 had to face in their prime.

The field in 2010 was very strong. You had the Big 4 (obviously) but also a lot of lower ranked dangerous players like Soderling, Tsonga, Verdasco, Ferrer, Baghdatis, Tipsarevic, Berdych. Del Potro would have been another one if he hadn't had the wrist injury problem.

Do a thread on it, very interesting topic. Id be surprised if anyone thinks Djokovic 2010 played better than Sinner in 2024

 

[dking68]

What makes you say that Sinner would have won Wimbledon in 2010?

Do a thread asking where would Sinner 2024 be ranked in 2010

 

[platypus50]

Oh I hope this doesn't actually happen...but it may well happen

 

[dking68]

What makes you say that Sinner would have won Wimbledon in 2010?

Sinner is a hard hitter, and moves well on the surface. He would’ve given Nadal a hard time. 50/50 match if they played, but let’s wait until the end of the year. But I do think it’s obvious Sinner 2024 defeats 2010 nadal at AO

 

[Tshooter]

 

[JoshDragon]

Do a thread asking where would Sinner 2024 be ranked in 2010

Who was Better? 2010 Novak Djokovic or 2024 Jannik Sinner

If you transported Jannik Sinner out of 2024 and into 2010. The year that Nadal was almost untouchable, but before Djokovic's best years on the tour and made him fight it out with the Big 3 at their very best, how would he do? What would his ranking be at the end of the year? You decide.

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

 

[JoshDragon]

Sinner is a hard hitter, and moves well on the surface. He would’ve given Nadal a hard time. 50/50 match if they played, but let’s wait until the end of the year. But I do think it’s obvious Sinner 2024 defeats 2010 nadal at AO

No. Sinner is not winning a set against Nadal at the 2010 Wimbledon Championships unless they played in the first couple of rounds. That is absolutely not happening.

 

[dking68]

No. Sinner is not winning a set against Nadal at the 2010 Wimbledon Championships unless they played in the first couple of rounds. That is absolutely not happening.

He has not played Wimbledon as yet, we are making something out of nothing. Let him play Wimbledon 2024 then we can discuss

 

[JoshDragon]

He has not played Wimbledon as yet, we are making something out of nothing. Let him play Wimbledon 2024 then we can discuss

Sinner would need a Djokovic style backhand and much better stamina to have any chance against 2010 Nadal at Wimbledon. He also doesn't move well enough or serve hard enough to beat prime Nadal on grass.

 

[NeutralFan]

If sinner and alcaraz don’t play or injury prevents them from returning to that high level. Scary thought but yes it’s very possible. Nadal is done and Nole is a question mark and will remain so the rest of his career.

Djokovic seems to be in a good form so it's going to be another FO gift for him this year.

 

[soldat]

Would not be surprised if Medvedev won RG, he is a good player and has made 6 slam finals. I can see him making several more finals before he turns 35

 

[JoshDragon]

Djokovic seems to be in a good form so it's going to be another FO gift for him this year.

It seems like his form has been pretty up and down this year.

 

[Tennisfan339]

Nope. If he plays all 7 matches on the Lenglen maybe. He loves this court and that's why he always requests it. But Medvedev is utter rubbish on the Chatrier. His only win on this centre court was his 2nd round against Djere in 2022. We all know the quarters, semis and finals are on the Chatrier. If the best version of Medvedev from 2021-2022 couldn't win a set against Cilic and Tsitsipas, how is he gonna go all the way?

 

[L4S10s]

Will lose to Carballes Baena in Rd 1

 

[GloW]

Sinner defeated 3 top five players in a row , 2 of them without losing his serve.

zverev wouldve clowned on sinnet if he didn't choke

 

[Kralingen]

Nope. If he plays all 7 matches on the Lenglen maybe. He loves this court and that's why he always requests it. But Medvedev is utter rubbish on the Chatrier. His only win on this centre court was his 2nd round against Djere in 2022. We all know the quarters, semis and finals are on the Chatrier. If the best version of Medvedev from 2021-2022 couldn't win a set against Cilic and Tsitsipas, how is he gonna go all the way?

To be brutally honest, it’s very possible that a 2021 Tsitsipas or 2022 Cilic level opponent does not appear this RG. I’m being serious, that’s how low the level is this clay season. Easily the worst pre-RG clay season of the past 25 years. It’s frankly not even close.

 

[Tennisfan339]

To be brutally honest, it’s very possible that a 2021 Tsitsipas or 2022 Cilic level opponent does not appear this RG. I’m being serious, that’s how low the level is this clay season. Easily the worst pre-RG clay season of the past 25 years. It’s frankly not even close.

Also lost to Fucsovics and Seyboth-Wild on the Chatrier. I don't think the level is the problem, it's more the steadiness of the players (during matches and between tournaments). Tsitsipas and Ruud played a very high level in Monte-Carlo and Barcelona but then we saw what happened in Madrid and Rome. Rune's level can be mind-blowing sometimes (the match against Nardi today was excellent) but he can also lose 6-1 6-1 against everyone. A lot of players can reach high peaks and become very dangerous on a D-day, but they can't repeat throughout a whole tournament. Medvedev got roasted by Khachanov in Monte-Carlo, any seeded player playing a decent level can beat him on the Chatrier. I wouldn't worry too much about him.

 

[DSH]

To be brutally honest, it’s very possible that a 2021 Tsitsipas or 2022 Cilic level opponent does not appear this RG. I’m being serious, that’s how low the level is this clay season. EaEasily the worst pre-RG clay season of the past 25 years. It’s frankly not even close.

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