I didn’t watch the Fabo v Nadal match, what happened?

So what? Fognini has more than anyone could ever need. Beyond Fognini's amount (actually, far below it), there are no happiness gains in more money. There's no need to have a net worth of $200 million or whatever. Fognini has almost $12 million in career prize money and he's not yet 32. Even with high expenses, that makes him perfectly wealthy.

Who in their right mind would take Fognini over Nadal? Nadal has anout 150 million dollars more than Fognini.
 

NLBwell

Legend
I saw much of the second set. Fognini was hitting everything clean and deep, keeping Nadal from being offensive. He was hitting his spots when he wanted to end the points. Nadal seemed to lack just a bit on his strokes, allowing Fognini to take control of the points. Even when Nadal did have an advantage, Fognini would, at times, just crack a winner from a disadvantageous position.
One guy plays great, one not so good -- second set blowout.
The margins really are not large in ATP tennis.
 
I know it's a joke, but that might be the most embarassing thing I've seen in terms of tennis results if Lajovic wins MC.
Hyeon Chung and Lucas Pouille made the semi finals of a slam

Those are by far more embarrassing results for tennis

Coincidence they were at the same slam?
 

Mark-Touch

Professional
Fog played Bull like only he can; more pace and depth than Rafa, the occasional moon ball, sick winners from both wings, spreading the court

Nadal actually looked helpless. It was a joyous occasion.
Didn't see it. Was it Soderling-like?
 

Thundergod

Professional
Why ? He has been playing fantastic.
I know he's been playing quite well and I admit I'm guilty of judging the name instead of the form a little bit, but it wouldn't feel right to me; like if Ramos-Vinolas won MC 2017 and faced Goffin instead of Nadal. I think I'm influenced by the all the clay events being won by 2-3 people the last 10 years.
 

joekapa

Legend
There was nothing physically wrong with Rafa.

He simply got beat by the better man on the day.
The Fog played Nadal perfectly. Took time away from his forehand, hitting quick and deep. It was Djokovic AO 2019 like.

Nadal had no answers and it showed.
 

TnsGuru

Professional
Nadal just lost his edge, players will now see him as human now and think they too can beat him on his favorite surface.
 

Rago

Hall of Fame
What happened?



Bull lost, hence he was injured or rusty.
Looks like a case of both this time.

“The vision is clear,” added 32-year-old Nadal who was playing his first tournament in a month after opting to rest his troublesome knees.

“I had a bad feeling, it was a tough day. I’m coming from low moments in terms of injuries, and in terms of the mental side it has not been easy to accept all the things that have been going on during recent weeks."
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
So what? Fognini has more than anyone could ever need. Beyond Fognini's amount (actually, far below it), there are no happiness gains in more money. There's no need to have a net worth of $200 million or whatever. Fognini has almost $12 million in career prize money and he's not yet 32. Even with high expenses, that makes him perfectly wealthy.
 
Okay, so you want to have as much money as you possibly can and think it is more important than anything else. Fair enough. That's your choice. I can't tell you what to want and nor can anybody else. But the same is true in reverse. And you asked why anyone in their right mind would prefer Fognini to Nadal given how much money Nadal has. Part of the answer is that many people in their right mind don't regard accumulating as much wealth as Nadal has as necessary to a good life, or even as desirable.
 

JackGates

Hall of Fame
Okay, so you want to have as much money as you possibly can and think it is more important than anything else. Fair enough. That's your choice. I can't tell you what to want and nor can anybody else. But the same is true in reverse. And you asked why anyone in their right mind would prefer Fognini to Nadal given how much money Nadal has. Part of the answer is that many people in their right mind don't regard accumulating as much wealth as Nadal has as necessary to a good life, or even as desirable.
You are correct. Also, the irony is that not even Nadal is driven by money, tennis is his passion, money is a side product, I bet Nadal would play even if he wasn't rich. Many top pros aren't rich and they love it their lives.
If you pursue your passion you will never be broke. You may be poor, but will always have enough to be happy. Because passion is creating value for other people and if you do that, trust me, they never let you starve.

So, yeah, it's BS that you should choose money over passion. And yes passion can put food on the table. Also even if you die going for passion isn't it better than live long miserable life?
 

NLBwell

Legend
Okay, so you want to have as much money as you possibly can and think it is more important than anything else. Fair enough. That's your choice. I can't tell you what to want and nor can anybody else. But the same is true in reverse. And you asked why anyone in their right mind would prefer Fognini to Nadal given how much money Nadal has. Part of the answer is that many people in their right mind don't regard accumulating as much wealth as Nadal has as necessary to a good life, or even as desirable.
If Rafael Nadal didn't really, really, really, really, really, really want to win tennis matches he wouldn't have won lots of money.
Unless a government or criminal is forcing people to give up their money by coercion, all income is from giving people what they desire and are willing to pay for.
Tournament directors, sponsors, and fans are willing to give pro tennis players money for them to play.

(unfortunately for us, there are few willing to pay to watch lower-level amateurs play)
 
If Rafael Nadal didn't really, really, really, really, really, really want to win tennis matches he wouldn't have won lots of money.
Unless a government or criminal is forcing people to give up their money by coercion, all income is from giving people what they desire and are willing to pay for.
Tournament directors, sponsors, and fans are willing to give pro tennis players money for them to play.

(unfortunately for us, there are few willing to pay to watch lower-level amateurs play)
I'm no libertarian but I don't think that my position about Nadal and Fognini rests on rejecting libertarianism. Libertarians will no doubt agree with your post, but they don't necessarily agree with the position of the other poster that nobody in their right mind would choose to be with Fognini over Nadal for the simple reason that Nadal has more money than Fognini.

I guess, basically, I'm confused about the relationship between your post and the debate in question. Aren't you rather agreeing with me that money isn't always the highest motivating factor when you point out that Nadal got his money because of his desire to win matches rather than from any innate desire to be wealthy for the sake of being wealthy?
 
Nadal got his arse handed to him. Fognini has beaten him before.

Stop finding excuses. If Nadal was injured and rusty, how did he manage to get to the semi final in the first place ??

You make Federer fans look objective.
Umm, no. Fognini has not beaten Bull before. Nor did he beat him today. Bull simply extended his 142-year unbeaten run (which began at Roland Garros 1877, as he would definitely have won that event had the organizers bothered to host it and had he been born then, which makes him the moral victor) one match further with his 12-0 thrashing of Fognini today. Any objective observer knows this. Ask @vive le beau jeu ! for example. They will confirm that every word of what I've written is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me, Bull.
 

Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
Great level from Fabio today. Beautiful attacking clay tennis.

If anyone saw his match yesterday, you knew this was a chance. He truly is a great clay player, and there is always at least one wonderful Cameo from Fabio each clay season

Hoping to see Rafa back at his best in The shimmering orange clay of Barca.

And for the time being it would be great to see Fognini hold form and take MC after such a wonderful tourney so far.
 
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