"I don't care, I'm going to win" - Nadal after being told of roof closure for RG Final

TennisD

Professional
So you're saying if the player wins then it isn't arrogance?
Hmm, not always, but I think when someone says "I'm going to win this match" and then they do it in straight sets with a bagel right off the bat then the perceived confidence/arrogance is nothing if not accurate.
 
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Nuclear Warhead Sinner

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Yes 6-0, 6-2 sets in the worst possible clay conditions for Nadal really show Novak 'getting into Nadal's head'
Novak getting into Nadal's head doesn't imply Nadal not getting into Novak's head. Had Novak not been such a threat Nadal could've walked into the match with a more relaxed mindset and just done his best. This time he knew he had no other choice but to be excellent. And please, with all due respect to the clay king, "worst possible clay conditions" is a myth.
 

intrepidish

Hall of Fame
Novak getting into Nadal's head doesn't imply Nadal not getting into Novak's head. Had Novak not been such a threat Nadal could've walked into the match with a more relaxed mindset and just done his best. This time he knew he had no other choice but to be excellent. And please, with all due respect to the clay king, "worst possible clay conditions" is a myth.

You managed to write an even more incoherent post than the previous one, congratulations
 
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Nuclear Warhead Sinner

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You managed to write an even more incoherent post than the previous one, congratulations
If you don't understand, get a brain. Then comeback and tell me exactly what makes my post incoherent.
 
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Nuclear Warhead Sinner

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You managed to write an even more incoherent post than the previous one, congratulations
Let me give you a hunter gatherer analogy. With no offense, I think it will suit you better, or perhaps you just need a cup of coffee.

Suppose Nadal is a hunter, and Djokovic is a prey. If the prey is slow and has little endurance, then the hunter can kill it without necessarily being at the top of his performance. He may go on the hunt telling himself : "Well, I'm going to do my best as always, and we'll see how it goes" .
Why? Because his level of focus and physical performance can vary(it can be due to external factors). Even if every single one of these days he does his best, from an outside, un-biased perspective the quality of these performances will vary.
But he's aware that the range of variation of the quality of his performances will not threaten his chances of killing the prey. Remember, the prey is slow... like Suresh kind of slow.

However, suppose the prey is extremely fast. In this case it will require a top-quality performance from the hunter to take it down. Whether or not he does his "best" doesn't matter. What matter is that his performance is good enough to get the kill.

Because of Hunterdal's unapologetical attitude, you can infer that he perceived Djokoprey as a fast and difficult animal to take down.

U good bro?
 

ADuck

Legend
I don't know where the confidence/arrogance line is BUT expressing that level of self-belief to his team just before the match (as a result of physical and mental preparation) does not cross into arrogance for me. If he went public with a boastful statement (as Goran foolishly did) that would smack of arrogance.
Only idiots think this is arrogant.

Pumping yourself up before such a momentous occasion is a completely normal thing to do when in a private setting. Verbally telling yourself that you won't fail is very helpful sometimes.

People who are making it anything more than that once again are failing to understand what context is appropriate to apply the word, or are just Federer/Djokovic fans who feel they need to murky the waters to put their idol in a comparatively better standing. They're only fooling themselves.
 

Beacon Hill

Hall of Fame
Absolutely false. Excuses of bad loser, Djokovic played as good as he could. In fact, he played great, but Nadal was too much. A well-playing Nadal is unstoppable in the Phillipe Chatrier, and contrary to popular belief, the conditions this year favored him even more. Nadal is still relatively fast, but his speed has obviously declined since his early and mid-20s. During the Roland-Garros 2020 edition, new ultra-heavy balls were used. Those balls made the conditions slower than ever, I have never witnessed a slower rhytm of play at RG. Considering Nadal is not at the peak of his speed anymore, those new ultra-heavy balls favored him because he had more time to reach defensive balls. Djokovic did everything he could. He tried drop-shots, but in those slow conditions Nadal was reaching too many of them. Djokovic also tried very deep shots, but Nadal could reach all of them thanks to his impressive defensive ability and the slower pace of play. Djokovic had a high number of unforced errors because Nadal forced him to have them. Nadal was reaching almost every defensive ball and continously forcing Djokovic to produce an extra shot.
I didn't care who won, but I wanted to see a decent match. You make some good points, but I think it's hard to argue Djokovic played well. His head has been elsewhere for a while. He didn't put up a fight. His new drop shot strategy is foolish. It's like he's constantly focused on how people perceive him, including while he's playing matches. Maybe he realizes he has one of the most boring playing styles of any ATG, and he hates that no one talks about how he's had to reinvent himself or overcome huge obstacles, like the narrative around Federer and Nadal. Perhaps he thinks if he won by playing drop shots as a new strategy, people would be impressed with this new unexpected and brilliant tactic, and see him in a better light than someone who merely gets the ball back into play better than anyone in history.

Imagine watching Federer play Federer. They would routinely have some of the most entertaining matches in history. Even though it's most fun to watch Nadal against someone with a very offensive playing style, even watching Nadal vs Nadal would be fun to watch. Now imagine Djokovic vs Djokovic. Watching paint dry would be more interesting. Djokovic must know this. He's very fortunate all the courts are slow now, or he would certainly not be in the ATG conversation. But that's where he is. Credit to him. He might get the major record if he goes back to being a mostly despised warrior on the court, but I don't think he'll get there in this current form of trying hard to be liked, and trying out new ways of being.
 
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"When they come to tell us that the final will be played indoors, we wonder how we're going to announce that to Rafa," Moya said. "15 minutes from the match, Francisco Roig (Rafa's co-trainer) told him so. And there, Rafa's response was: 'I don't care, it doesn't change anything, I'm going to win this match'."

"Rafa had never said such a thing to me before a match," Moya added. "He knew he wouldn't fail. Nadal is such a humble person. It wasn't arrogance, it was a feeling of confidence, of security."


The words in bold are really all that needed to be said. #humblebull. #unbeatenandunbeatablemoralgoat. #injuredpersonwhoplaystennis. #neverlosesunlessinjured.
 

E36BMWM3

Hall of Fame
I wonder what his frame of mind has been in other finals. Surely you have a job to do and it’s not over until it’s over but in matches like the 2017 FO for example, he must’ve had this same level of confidence.
 

ewiewp

Hall of Fame
Alpha king :cool:



"When they come to tell us that the final will be played indoors, we wonder how we're going to announce that to Rafa," Moya said. "15 minutes from the match, Francisco Roig (Rafa's co-trainer) told him so. And there, Rafa's response was: 'I don't care, it doesn't change anything, I'm going to win this match'."

"Rafa had never said such a thing to me before a match," Moya added. "He knew he wouldn't fail. Nadal is such a humble person. It wasn't arrogance, it was a feeling of confidence, of security."


It looks like he played better under the roof, LOL.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
After 6+ years of lusting for that win against Djoko in a Grand Slam tournament after recieving beating after beating he had to win at some point and what other tournament would it be
Other than RG? But 6+ years is alot. It has to happen at some point. The real question is why Nadal has to wait so long to beat Djoko? Hmmm
 

ADuck

Legend
After 6+ years of lusting for that win against Djoko in a Grand Slam tournament after recieving beating after beating he had to win at some point and what other tournament would it be
Other than RG? But 6+ years is alot. It has to happen at some point. The real question is why Nadal has to wait so long to beat Djoko? Hmmm
A combination of Nadal being a non-contender in slams from 2015-2016 and Djokovic being a non-contender from 2017-mid2018. Counting only the periods both were playing well it's only been 2 years really.
 
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After 6+ years of lusting for that win against Djoko in a Grand Slam tournament after recieving beating after beating he had to win at some point and what other tournament would it be
Other than RG? But 6+ years is alot. It has to happen at some point. The real question is why Nadal has to wait so long to beat Djoko? Hmmm
Just like Djokovic hasn't beaten Wawrinka in a Slam for 6 years already lolz.
 

Poisoned Slice

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StrongRule

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After 6+ years of lusting for that win against Djoko in a Grand Slam tournament after recieving beating after beating he had to win at some point and what other tournament would it be
Other than RG? But 6+ years is alot. It has to happen at some point. The real question is why Nadal has to wait so long to beat Djoko? Hmmm
Lol, "beating after beating". They met only 3 times during these 6 years, and one of them was in 2015. And it isn't Nadal's fault that Djokovic wasn't even good enough to reach him in RG 2017, 2018, 2019.
 

clout

Hall of Fame
I know there's Wimbledon 2008, but if someone said this was the most important slam victory in Rafa's career, it would be hard to say they are incorrect
 

Beckerserve

Legend
When you're 99-2 at a slam and your legacy is literally on the line (we know what the story would have been if he lost that match) this was entirely the mindset he should have had though. Hearing it makes me happy he finally manned up before a Novak match to get that 20th slam. This is the one year where he would have had a reason to go in being safe and timid.
If you read my threads around then i said numerous times that all the negativity to Rafa by the media and Djokovic arrogance would take all the pressure off Rafa and make him dangerous. People on here were slating me calling me a fan boy. I had a feeling he was going to rip Djokovic apart once i saw the last set v Sinner.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
I know there's Wimbledon 2008, but if someone said this was the most important slam victory in Rafa's career, it would be hard to say they are incorrect
Legacy wise probably still is W 2008 as it was against the other guy on 20 Majors. However FO 2019 was sweeter.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Gloating is all fine and good but when Novak delivered a similar or even worse slam final beatdown in AO19 (Nadal won fewer points in that match then Novak did in FO20) did we still bring it up in specific threads months later? Did Novak’s team, also months later, leak to the press that Novak had stated he was going to beat Nadal no matter what ahead of the AO final? If so, carry on. :unsure: :-D
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Gloating is all fine and good but when Novak delivered a similar or even worse slam final beatdown in AO19 (Nadal won fewer points in that match then Novak did in FO20) did we still bring it up in specific threads months later? Did Novak’s team, also months later, leak to the press that Novak had stated he was going to beat Nadal no matter what ahead of the AO final? If so, carry on. :unsure: :-D
Dude Novaks team cannot ever claim the moral high ground lol.
The reason why FO 2019 was an utter humiliation was because Djokovic mouthed off for months about going unbeaten all season and that conditions at FO were perfect. I said at the time Djokovic was helping Nadal. This is the problem about talking too much. Karma bites hard.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Dude Novaks team cannot ever claim the moral high ground lol.
The reason why FO 2019 was an utter humiliation was because Djokovic mouthed off for months about going unbeaten all season and that conditions at FO were perfect. I said at the time Djokovic was helping Nadal. This is the problem about talking too much. Karma bites hard.
i don’t think anyone claims the high ground, whatever that means. But imagine all the pearl clutching here at TTW if months after the AO19 final beatdown Vajda leaked to the press that Novak had said he was going to beat Nadal no matter what. :unsure:
 

Beckerserve

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Alpha king :cool:



"When they come to tell us that the final will be played indoors, we wonder how we're going to announce that to Rafa," Moya said. "15 minutes from the match, Francisco Roig (Rafa's co-trainer) told him so. And there, Rafa's response was: 'I don't care, it doesn't change anything, I'm going to win this match'."

"Rafa had never said such a thing to me before a match," Moya added. "He knew he wouldn't fail. Nadal is such a humble person. It wasn't arrogance, it was a feeling of confidence, of security."

I would love to know how he was before the SF. He looked a bit flat. Dare i say the great Nadal maybe got complacent 5-0 up and lost the intensity for a bit. Against a fellow ATG that is fatal
 
After all the comments from Djokovic fans that the 2015 meeting proved who is the better RG player and how Djokovic beat peak Nadal in straight sets? Of course Djokovic was the big favorite. This is why the likes of Nadal_Django are so angry, they were sure it was going to be a repeat of the 2015 match.
I've told you that Djokovic played a complete blunder of a match, certainly one of his worst matches of his career in the 2020 RG Final and you refused to believe me. Now you've seen that I was right isn't it!? When Djokovic doesn't make 50+ UEs for two and a half sets, and is playing purposeful and with the right aggression, this matchup is a completely different ball game, even on Rafa's beloved clay. ;)
 
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